yeah, you assumed a whole lot there, impossible to follow. Don't worry about clarifying it any further, it was a rhetorical request and I should have qualified that.i'll try to go slow then let you reread it all.
let me know if you need more help understanding.
Is there such a thing as an honest conservative?
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YOU were never a part of any of it. you spewed in from the side with off topic responses. hence your confusion.
if you take the fact that i thought unemployment was a deduction, it's all really easy to follow. but as i already stated. "i was mistaken".
hard to spew back when someone admits an error, isn't it?
medicineman
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Talk about a dreamworld. You may be right about the cheap crap from china, but they have been priced out of the middle class and are never coming back. I guess the only cure is euthanasia for those unemployed so they won't be a burden on society, IE you. BTW, they were once productive members of society untill through no fault of their own they were dumped by the elites so they could outsource, or move their jobs overseas, it all boils down to unmitigated greed, seems like you've got a bit of it yourself. I am sick of this trickle down economics you and your colleagues claim to be the mana of the Gods, never has worked and never will, it's just the rich mans excuse for economics, pure bullshit.
medicineman
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Of course, cut any relief to the elderly, the poor, and sick, how could I have missed that? I will agree with you on military spending cuts, get rid of homeland secutity, they are just a pain in the ass. Tell me, what are we supposed to do with the 40+ million people that will be out of a job, since you don't approve of unemployment benefits. I've got an Idea, they can all come and live at your place.
what about the 20% of Americans that are out of a job already?
The only off topic responses have been to your off topic responses. I didn't see ANYWHERE where you said something to the effect " Oops, your right, my pay stubs DON"T have unemployment insurance taken out of them I WAS WRONG" If you did post such a retraction how come I cannot see it? Do some of your posts not show up? Im afraid I don't follow your logic, but that doesn't mean anything is wrong with ME.YOU were never a part of any of it. you spewed in from the side with off topic responses. hence your confusion.
if you take the fact that i thought unemployment was a deduction, it's all really easy to follow. but as i already stated. "i was mistaken".
hard to spew back when someone admits an error, isn't it?
Well you old people need to die and stop sucking up all us younger folks prosperity. ( I kid about that) SS was never meant to be a retirement plan, it was meant as a helping hand, but somehow the population got conned into thinking it was going to provide for their every need and that they would no longer have to be responsible for their future. Thats really what its all about, shirking responsibility, taking the easy road.
BTW I never said I don't approve of unemployment benefits, you might be able to find a post where I disagree with giving people unlimited unemployment.
mame
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It's not unlimited; We're coming out of a huge recession and the jobs just simply aren't there yet. If unemployment benefits stopped now it would hurt demand for products, which would slow growth further and could potentially lead to a double dip recession. Failing to realize the necessity of these unemployment benefits at this point in time is ignorant at best... You'd have an arguement IF THERE WERE JOBS FOR PEOPLE but there aren't jackass.
If these were normal times, and there were jobs for people to go get, I'd agree that we shouldn't extend unemployment benefits but pretty much anyone who has been paying attention to anything the last few years will tell you the same thing... THERE ARE NO JOBS.
We aren't coming out of anything, were right in the middle of it and its going to start getting worse, have you seen 30 year bond yields?
Where does the money come from to pay unemployment benefits? Do you even know?
Of course there are no jobs, the American worker is no longer competitive in the global market place due to Government malfeasance.
mame
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Show me, the recession 'officially' ended a few months ago... Jobs are very slowly returning. A recession is characterized by 6-12+ months of private sector contraction (job loss)... that is not currently the case as the private sector is creating jobs (OH SHIT THAT MIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH STIMULUS AND UNEMPLOYMENT SPENDING?!?!)
I'm Sure a school kid could tell you the government must borrow to fund unemployment... but I'm sure you support extending all of the tax cuts too even though that adds to the deficit as well.
i can agree with this but most of the wrong doing is coming via obstructionism as opposed to bad policy(as I'm sure you've implied here); Show me proof the current administration has failed us. you cant without sourcing back to Fox News can you? Hannity is the last guy that accused the administration of 'Government Malfeasance', you are exposed for your partisanship and lack of ability to obtain credible information; Also, it didn't make you sound smart.
It is well known by economists that extending unemployment benefits is the most 'bang for your buck' in the current situation where the government is looking to stimulate the economy. I believe that if the government is going to spend money on stimulus that the best course of action is to spend it where it does the most good and the numbers support unemployment insurance - not tax cuts as being a more effective stimulus. look it up... it's all there.
Supply side economics don't work.
btw,
Most of this is very unrealistic at best.
You have to have a POSITIVE 120,000 jobs created each MONTH just to stay at one employment level, just to make up for what left. Discouraged workers (i.e. those who aren't able to receive any more unemployment) are not even counted as unemployed anymore. Those people who want a full time job but can only find part time work aren't counted either. How you can say we are creating more jobs when even the fed said it "looks Bleak" and then the govt adjusted upward the unemployment from 9.8% to 9.9% OFFICIALLY, is beyond me. Spread your rumors and bad info elsewhere, officially there is less than 2% inflation, yet the price of everything has gone up FAR FAR more than that. Notice Gas prices? Gold? Food? Electricity? 4 years ago when houses were still increasing in price they weren't even part of the official CPI numbers, but now that housing has lost 40% of its value and looks to lose even more they are NOW using them in official CPI numbers. Could it be that government has a lot less cash to lose if they fudge official CPI numbers low so they can justify Stopping COLA increases to seniors on Social Security?
Well I don't support an income tax at all, we didn't have it for the majority of time we have been a country and ever since it was implemented, government ( Dumbocrats and Repukes alike) has run amok. Time to stop funding the empire.
Umm I haven't ever made the claim that Obama or the current Administration is to blame for this, Its clearly the fault of previous presidents who went by the names Bush, Clinton, , Bush II. All controlled to some extent by powerful Globalists.
Most of the anti-Constitutional legislation is supported by both major parties. Therefore, it would be logical to then consider that voting out one party and replacing them with the other makes little difference as to the policies the government pursues. Unless you are voting for third party or liberty based candidates, your stop at the ballot box was a big waste of time. Sorry, that's just reality. The people who write in Mickey Mouse have more sense than most of the voting public. The point? Elections change very little on a federal level.
I have never watched Hannity, I do not watch Fox News, or any TV news for that matter. I don't poison my mind with Tell-Lie-vision. The amount of time the average person watches TV in one week is about how much TV I watch in 2 years. I catch a old movie once and again, but I really have to be in the mood because even the commercials are completely off-putting to say the least. As far as sounding smart, well I could care less if big words or big ideas impress you or not, that isn't my purpose.
So your premise that I am a Partisan Republican and got my "Government Malfeasance" line from some talking head is Ridiculous and I take personal offense to it.
I haven't made any claims to the contrary. Not sure what your trying to point out here. Perhaps your vision has become so blinded by the truth that you are unable to articulate your debate to the proper person? But just to humor you I did look it up, I didn't see any proof of anything, mostly just a bunch of "Experts" bloviating on possibilities and opinion. One says tax cuts will produce 100 billion and then another says the unemployment situation if rectified will add 65 billion to the economy, blah blah blah, we need 120 trillion, 100 billion times 1200. Think they can play this game of "Hide the Capital" for the next 1200 years in the hopes that these tiny measures work out? Fiat Currencies on average last 40 years, we are on year 41.
again, a comment that has no purpose.
Politically impossible, but inevitable nonetheless.
You contradict yourself entirely here.
So one of a few things.
A. You haven't done any actual research but are just blowing things out your ass.
B. Youv'e done the research but the truth makes your argument fly right out the window so you embellish things a bit, put a rose colored tint to it, but not so much that its obvious to everyone how contradictory your statement is.
C. You made it up to fit whatever current flame you are concocting as you troll the web in search of new souls.
canuckgrow
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Republicans, Democrats, Conservative ,Liberal ,New Democrat Party In fact any politician that has tasted power is corrupt. The corruption has permeated our society so that nearly everyone contributes to it and receives benefit from it. Take the lowly government front line worker. You know the one that works for SS or UI or any government run facility. They take a pay raise when they know bloody well we can't afford or they don't deserve it. Spending expense money just because it is there and they want the same amount or more for next year. Take for example: In Canada right now our elected politicians and there appointed minions are spending billions on renovating our parliament buildings. Which in and of itself is not so horrible right? Except that they have actually spent 72 million renovating an office building close to the parliamnet buildings to serve as TEMPORARY office space while the renovations are going on. All the while my son goes to school everyday in a portable building that costs less than the coffee expenses incurred by these same politicians constituency offices. Bass Ackwards you say? Me too.
Questions is what can we do about it? And what are we prepared to do about it?
Questions is what can we do about it? And what are we prepared to do about it?
Heads Up
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I have said this over and over and I will say it again. What can we do about it? Since congress won't impose term limits on themselves, vote out every incumbent every election until they do agree to term limits. Once these people realize they will be voted out after one term, they will be happy to sign a two term limit bill...and reduce the senators terms to four years instead of six. We sit and argue amongst ourselves while the people in government and big business hold hands and skip to the bank together. It's not government, it's the people in the government. I see Obama's and Bush's money people left office and went to work for citi bank. That is the problem right there. These people go from government into these types of jobs and then from those jobs back into government, or lobbying. Money talks bullshit walks and big business has the money and we don't. Our situation in my humble opinion is greed driven from the top. People will argue with auto workers making a decent living but say nothing about the CEO draining out hundreds of millions of dollars, for some reason people think if you have the title CEO it gives you the right to make fifty million a year, or a hundred million. Why? These people don't own these corporations, they work there just like a line worker works there, nothing more. The rich are getting richer, the poor poorer and the working poor are an ever expanding class of people in america. What did people think was going to happen after all the years of outsourcing? I always find it funny when people want to blame the workers for a comapany's problems, not mismanagement. Let's use my place of work as an example. There are six workers in the entire company, yet we have four supervisors for six workers. We support the owner and his wife, pay for their vehicles, we support the two everyday supervisors, their vehicles and their pay, they don't work. So the six of us workers have to pay the salaries of the four supers and their vehicles. I haven't had a raise in over two years...and the guy makes us sign a 1099 form so he doesn't pay any taxes on us, we pay our own. America, gott'a love it.
420God
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NLXSK1
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No, any American citizen has the opportunity to make fifty million a year. CEO's make 50 million a year for the same reason Mel Gibson makes 20 millon per movie (and he only has to work about 3 months to do it). Corporations exist to make money... Period. Certain individuals have proven that they can make money. Those CEO's getting 50 - 100 million have likely raised the companies bottom line by billions of dollars... Can Mel Gibson say that? NOPE!!! And they did that by employing a lot of people and generating huge revenue for the government in the form of taxation.
Why dont people bitch about Michael Vic's salary? Why dont people bitch about Mel Gibsons salary? They work alot less (part of a year) and make a ton more money... Why arent people hating on them?
As far as your employment.. .You chose to take the job and you choose to continue working there. Why are you bitching about the situation YOU created for yourself? If you are unhappy, find a new job. And if you want to cry about there being no jobs... Even if the unemployment rate is 20% (THAT MEANS 8 OUT OF 10 PEOPLE HAVE A JOB)... No Jobs is bullshit. It is an easy excuse for the government to keep handing out welfare and the people to keep taking it.
I am gonna tell you a secret that is not so secret... You are not going to make a significant amount of money working for someone else. Unless you have the balls to go out and start your own company then you are gonna get table scraps. That is how it works. Whining about your situation will not improve it and might possibly make it worse.
I quit a job and put myself through professional training and joined a company. I worked for them for 5 years and brought in less than 20K annually. I had a great deal with them too. I would get 45% of the fee and they would get 55% of the fee. That is very high for the industry I worked in. But even though it looked like I got close to an even split, my end entailed working 6-10 hours per job and their end entailed working 0-2 hours per job. So the per hour rates were totally in their favor.
So, in the middle of a recession and in a horrible job market.... I quit. Not because they were treating me badly, but because I would have had to work twice as hard for twice the money. Now I am in the process of starting a number of businesses including a service and repair business. With that type of model I can generate about 1,000 per customer per year and with a relatively few amount of accounts I will make significantly more money than before. I am gonna retain my professional licenses and do those technical jobs on the side. I expect my income to increase to between 40 & 50K per year legitimate without that much work. But you have got to own your own business to do it. You have got to change your shitty situation, because your boss is not going to do it.
TheDemocrat
Active Member
we are screwed.....
Johnnyorganic
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Oh boy, the fun never ends here.
One more lame Meddie thread beginning with a faulty premise.
And Bongspit chiming in even! Happy day.
I wonder how loud the wailing will be coming out of the Proggie corner when the Republicans take over the House next month?
They are the Obama Tax cuts now. More Democrats voted for the bill in the House than Republicans. Choke on it.
Not extending the tax cuts would be a tax increase. I love how all them "honest" Donks opposed to the bill fail to mention that. And every time the government raises taxes it increases spending. Without exception. It is not an isolated phenomenon. It does not occur sometimes. Every time.
And I'm no huge fan of John F. Kennedy, but even he knew that cutting taxes increases government revenue just about every time. I say 'just about' because it depends on the specific type of taxes cut. Moreover, if you compare tax revenues as a percentage of GDP, it happens every time regardless of the type of taxes cut. Obama acknowledged this, but rationalized high taxes as a matter of 'fairness.' Which is not the purpose of taxation. The purpose of taxes is to fund the legitimate functions of government. Period.
If you are looking at reducing the deficit there is really only one area to look at if one is serious about eliminating it: cut spending. It could be done. There is so much low-hanging fruit in the Federal budget it would be impossible not to find something to eliminate.
And to put a really fine point on it, the problem would solve itself if the Federal government would confine itself to the bounds set forth by the U.S. Constitution.
Unemployment? Hardee har har. Empty calories. And borrowing the money to pay for the extensions transforms something that has nominal value as far as economic activity is concerned into something harmful in the long run.
And as long as we're being honest, that 720 Billion price tag you faithfully parrot covers ten years of estimated tax revenue from the "rich." Since the President signed an extension for two years, riddle me this: How does that come to 720 Billion dollars given to Millionaires and Billionaires?
And how do you give something to someone that already belongs to them?
Johnnyorganic
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A few articles. Hopefully some you honest Progressives will take the time to read them and maybe understand where Conservatives such as myself are coming from.
For those who would rather have a root canal than read anything offered up by the likes of me: Read them or don't. I couldn't care less.
I offer excerpts.
For those who would rather have a root canal than read anything offered up by the likes of me: Read them or don't. I couldn't care less.
I offer excerpts.
How to Balance the Budget Without Raising Taxes
Class Warriors Got What They Wished For
Are We Too Dependent on Rich Taxpayers?