Armageddon?

[shepj]

I understand that, but I'm asking has anyone had experience with this "retardedly high" amount of JWH-018, specifically armageddon.

I have had experience with über-high JWH dosages, I know of a few others who have as well.. high enough dosages to render one unresponsive to external stimuli.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I may be, but isn't salvia a psychedelic as well?

Yes. An atypical-psychedelic at that.. many states have banned salvia though.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

I actually haven't went to ridiculously high while smoking 073, but I have gone very high eating it, and fell asleep.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Salvia is, THE MOST, complex and intriguing hallucinogen, known to man. It is classified as an A-Typical psychedelic, but it is also classified as a dissociative. I always say it's a dissociative but it is definitely psychedelic.

 

[shepj]

It is classified as an A-Typical psychedelic, but it is also classified as a dissociative. I always say it's a dissociative but it is definitely psychedelic.

Hence why I agree with the a-typical many a dissociative is psychedelic to an extent, no?

 

[Illumination]

dmt is god

Namaste'

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

LMAO. Random.


I definitely can tell a distinct difference, as I'm sure you can, but yes, which is why I love that one Venn diagram of all the different types of drugs with Tranquilizers at the top. You can guess which drug falls squarely in the middle.

 

[Father Time]

That drug venn diagram sounds interesting. Do you have any links, or even what to search for for that?

Also, to weasels911, what spice blend did you try that had 5-meo-dalt? I always wondered how far spice companies would go with the RCs in their blends. Anyone else know any blends containing psychedelics (other than cannabinoids/agonists)? I think my local head shop sells armageddon - will post with experience if I get around to trying it.

 

[weasels911]

Entity incense. They are shutting down at the end of Dec. because of the ban.

 

[Father Time]

Yea it seems many are going away cause of this ban. Strange that it's because of the JWH and not the DALT. Is the blend worth a try? Does it have any noticeable psychedelic effects?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

I don't know if this is the exact one but it's definitely close.

 

[mescalinebandit420]

i always tend to think of salvia and ketamine in the same catagories. does that seem appropiate?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Closer then most but no cigar LOL. There's a reason Ketamine is still used as an anesthetic in humans.

 

[shepj]

There's a reason Ketamine is still used as an anesthetic in humans.

I was not aware it was. Did you see the report about salvia analogs potentially having the ability for medical utilization for patients with alzheimer's disease and dementia?

 

[DarthD3vl]

I was not aware it was. Did you see the report about salvia analogs potentially having the ability for medical utilization for patients with alzheimer's disease and dementia?

like reversing or preventing?

 

[shepj]

like reversing or preventing?

Therapeutic Potential

"The main active ingredient in Salvia divinorum, Salvinorin A, might have potential therapeutic uses in psychiatry, although clinical research is sparse. A 2002 report published in the 'Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America' suggested that Salvinorin A may assist in treating mental disorders characterized by perceptual alterations, including schizophrenia, dementia and bipolar disorders."

http://www.livestrong.com/article/107785-salvia-extract/

 

[Father Time]

This is very interesting. I wonder if the drug itself helps with the disorders, or if it merely aids in research by simulating the effects of the disorders on the brain, similar to LSD. I saw a documentary on LSD that said that LSD mimics the effects of schizophrenia so well that it is greatly aiding research on the disorder as well as new medications. If, however, salvinorin A itself actually is medicinal, I am extremely curious as to its mechanism of action.

 

[shepj]

I saw a documentary on LSD that said that LSD mimics the effects of schizophrenia so well that it is greatly aiding research on the disorder as well as new medications.

The "Model Psychosis" theory was discarded years ago to the best of my knowledge. LSD has more potential in psychiatric applications than probably any other substance in the world.

 

[Father Time]

I think I agree with you about the potential of LSD, but can you explain how it helps people with mental disorders? If you gave a schizophrenic LSD would he get better? Long-term better or just while he's tripping?

Maybe it does something to repair or rearrange the connections in our brain. It seems to do so for me (although I'm don't have schizophrenia.... to the best of my knowledge).

 

[shepj]

I think I agree with you about the potential of LSD, but can you explain how it helps people with mental disorders? If you gave a schizophrenic LSD would he get better? Long-term better or just while he's tripping?

LSD therapy has been known to cure personality disorders when administered properly by a Psychiatrist.

Read:

LSD: Doorway to the Numinous: The Groundbreaking Psychedelic Research into Realms of the Human Unconscious by M.D. Stanislav Grof

 

[mescalinebandit420]

im suprised that theres not a book of all of the substances that could help us in many different ways. then again, those would be books that we could all write for ourselves. i agree to disagree cause i think different substances could help different people in different ways. but if there was 1 that stood out im sure it would be LSD.