YieldMax -- Striving for Maximum Single-Plant Yield in a Micro Space.
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aggreenvln
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It's an AF :-\, so cloning isn't really the best option. I have a couple seeds left. Also, I was thinking about it last night and although my "semi-perpetual" idea of PC --> Tent --> repeat is sort of neat, I don't think it's the best way to go about doing things. I'm not sure why I didn't think of it before, but I might as well just grow two plants at once. Barney's LSD in the tent, Easy Ryder in the PC for the time being. That way I'll be able to harvest 5-6 zips every 8-12 weeks instead of 3-4 every 8 weeks, plus I'll have a bit more strain variety and I won't have to mess with "transplanting" (not sure what you'd call it in DWC
) into a different system, tearing roots etc.I'm going to be picking up some fungicide from my local hydro shop as soon as I can. I don't expect much, but *shrug* who knows. It'll be good to have around for future grows as well.
In other news, my seed package's tracking status finally updated a few days ago. It was in the US on its way to me as of 12/15. I'm not sure why it took so long, but it'll probably arrive either today or Monday.
aggreenvln
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Here's a new picture of the stem from this morning:
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The fungus has visibly advanced since I scraped a bit of it off yesterday. It is the sort of off-white weird-textured stuff all over the rotting area. The stringy stuff is plant fiber that came loose yesterday with the initial layer of fungus that I scraped. I'll keep her going as long as I can but I'm preparing for a chop in a couple days. I have another rock-wool cube soaking and a seed prepping in a cup of water. Ho hum.
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The fungus has visibly advanced since I scraped a bit of it off yesterday. It is the sort of off-white weird-textured stuff all over the rotting area. The stringy stuff is plant fiber that came loose yesterday with the initial layer of fungus that I scraped. I'll keep her going as long as I can but I'm preparing for a chop in a couple days. I have another rock-wool cube soaking and a seed prepping in a cup of water. Ho hum.
aggreenvln
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Is it possible to "re-root" a plant? Just like taking a clone, but cut the plant at the base instead of at a branch. This is the only way I can think of to save the plant at this point -- I figured since it's still rather small (not much bigger than a large clone cutting) it might be possible, but I don't know enough about cloning to determine whether it's silly to even suggest it.
micro.grower
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i sorta agree with the abovepost... however i was informedthat it was impossible to root woody stem... you could always try rooting your best shoots off the plant... you may end up with a lot, but it should work...
aggreenvln
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Thanks for all the feedback, guys. Unfortunately I'm currently not equipped with any rooting compound for cloning, so hopefully I can keep her going for a couple more days until I have a car and can run to the store. If not, no biggie. The only problem is if she does take root I'll have nowhere to put her, as there'll be a new plant growing in the PC and I don't particularly want to use the tent for a semi-gimp plant. We'll see. Grr... now I'm wishing I would have waited a couple more days before preparing my next Easy Ryder seed. Oh well.
gumball
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you dont need rooting compound, thats mythical RIU forum hype. people trying to sell you something you dont need. sometimes life gives you lemons when you really want grapes. so you have to deal with the lemonade you have and come back to the grape juice you would prefer. you must stay flexible to your grow because it will not flex around you and your schedule. good luck
aggreenvln
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This is really great advice, thanks gumball
. I'll try my best to salvage this one and keep ya'll posted of course.noobdestroyer
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no offense but thats why you always should grow more than 1. just in case
aggreenvln
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Unfortunately that wasn't an option until about a week ago, but now that my tent is set up I'll be starting a second plant as soon as my seeds get here
. Thanks for stopping by.
aggreenvln
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Hi everyone,
After much contemplation, I've decided I'm going to be chopping her down later today. No attempt at re-rooting. Due to space restrictions I can only really grow two plants at once, and I am not particularly excited about the idea of one of them being a gimp. That is to say, if it survives at all... I'd first have to get lucky enough to eliminate the fungus from my cutting, and then it would still have to get through the re-rooting process (approx. 2 week delay I would guess). Also, there is no real safe place to make the cut where I wouldn't be destroying my potential yield by getting rid of two or four of the largest branches.
Re-read the title of my journal. Now back to me. That's right. I'mma maximize this shit out BOIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Germinating a new seed today. Don't worry, I'm not in a bad mood.
For posterity's sake, here are some final pictures of the plant before and after a final defoliation session (for practice).
After much contemplation, I've decided I'm going to be chopping her down later today. No attempt at re-rooting. Due to space restrictions I can only really grow two plants at once, and I am not particularly excited about the idea of one of them being a gimp. That is to say, if it survives at all... I'd first have to get lucky enough to eliminate the fungus from my cutting, and then it would still have to get through the re-rooting process (approx. 2 week delay I would guess). Also, there is no real safe place to make the cut where I wouldn't be destroying my potential yield by getting rid of two or four of the largest branches.
Re-read the title of my journal. Now back to me. That's right. I'mma maximize this shit out BOIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Germinating a new seed today
. Don't worry, I'm not in a bad mood.For posterity's sake, here are some final pictures of the plant before and after a final defoliation session (for practice).
aggreenvln
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Yeah man, I'm a bit disappointed too but at least I learned a lot from this one. The next will be better yet!
I was thinking about the droopiness earlier too... while it was happening I thought for sure it was just because the plant had used up all of the nutrients in the reservoir, but I suppose it could have been an initial reaction to the rot. I'll make sure to keep a closer eye on the next plant if it's starting to look at all odd.
aggreenvln
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Hey guys, just a quick update this morning. I'll probably have more news later today, as I think my Barney's LSD seeds will be arriving this afternoon.
I still haven't worked up the courage to chop the ol' planterina down, but I am starting my next one.
For those of you who are curious, here is my germination method:
1 ) Put seed in a cup of plain RO water, let sit in dark place until seed sinks when poked.
2 ) Prepare rock-wool cube by letting it soak in pH 6 water with very low strength seedling nutes. Soak for 24 hours. In the mean time...
3 ) Transfer seed to damp paper towel on a plate, covered by a bowl.
4 ) Set on warm-ish surface and check every once in a while to make sure the paper towel isn't drying out.
5 ) In ~24 hours (sometimes less -- this one only took about 16) or when tap root is 1/4 to 1/2 inch long, finish preparing rock-wool by removing it from solution and squeezing a bit to drain.
6 ) Transfer seed to small hole in rock-wool cube, cover with jar and put in case at 80-85 degrees.
7 ) ???
8 ) Profit.
Right-o. I'll be back later.
I still haven't worked up the courage to chop the ol' planterina down, but I am starting my next one.
For those of you who are curious, here is my germination method:
1 ) Put seed in a cup of plain RO water, let sit in dark place until seed sinks when poked.
2 ) Prepare rock-wool cube by letting it soak in pH 6 water with very low strength seedling nutes. Soak for 24 hours. In the mean time...
3 ) Transfer seed to damp paper towel on a plate, covered by a bowl.
4 ) Set on warm-ish surface and check every once in a while to make sure the paper towel isn't drying out.
5 ) In ~24 hours (sometimes less -- this one only took about 16) or when tap root is 1/4 to 1/2 inch long, finish preparing rock-wool by removing it from solution and squeezing a bit to drain.
6 ) Transfer seed to small hole in rock-wool cube, cover with jar and put in case at 80-85 degrees.
7 ) ???
8 ) Profit.
Right-o. I'll be back later.
I use a much simpler method, and have had 99% germ on all types of plants incl. mary jane. I tried rockwool, still have some, will not use it again. I think your root rot could have been from the RW not draining properly around the stem. The soaking/papertowel are really not needed for any seeds purchased recently, thats just for old seeds you've been saving ect. Just more chances for that delicate little tap root to get dried out/fungus/stunted.
Dip Rapid Rooter in water, squeeze gently to remove excess (not all).
Drop seed in hole
Wait
I used a gladware plastic lunchmeat container with lid to hold 5-6 at a time. They are airtight and hold the humidity, just open once a day to check for sprouts and fan fresh air. They sprout a little faster on a seedling mat, but really, anywhere will work. Check out some of the cheaper genetics, Royal Queen has a killer kush for like $15 for 5 seeds. Start ALL of them at once, i know you can't fit them all, thats ok. Sometimes all 5 will be great, and you will feel bad throwing 3 away, but its better than ending up with more runts and wasted time.
Regarding your current setup, what about using the PC case for a bonsai mother? take a few cuttings every 8 weeks to flower in your tent.
Dip Rapid Rooter in water, squeeze gently to remove excess (not all).
Drop seed in hole
Wait
I used a gladware plastic lunchmeat container with lid to hold 5-6 at a time. They are airtight and hold the humidity, just open once a day to check for sprouts and fan fresh air. They sprout a little faster on a seedling mat, but really, anywhere will work. Check out some of the cheaper genetics, Royal Queen has a killer kush for like $15 for 5 seeds. Start ALL of them at once, i know you can't fit them all, thats ok. Sometimes all 5 will be great, and you will feel bad throwing 3 away, but its better than ending up with more runts and wasted time.
Regarding your current setup, what about using the PC case for a bonsai mother? take a few cuttings every 8 weeks to flower in your tent.
PUKKA BUD
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aggreenvln
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I realize my germination method is probably quite a bit more complicated than it has to be. I just ordered a bag of fifty Rapid Rooter plugs, so I'll try something a bit closer to your method next time. Thanks a bunch for referring me to them; I didn't even know they existed! Much better than rock-wool. They should get here on Wednesday, so I'll be using them from here on out (including my first tent grow).
I have another, slightly smaller PC case I was thinking about gutting and using as a box for one or two bonsai moms as you suggest. I don't think I want to turn my larger PC box into a mother/clone case as it's really tailored for its current use (1-2 zips every two months or so) I haven't really finalized exactly what I'd like to do with my tent yet. I am contemplating two options:
1) Micro-ScrOG -- Similar to my PC setup on a slightly larger scale. I'm confident I can fill the tent with one plant, but my recent experience with stem rot is making me second-guess this strategy. As noobdestroyer said at the top of the page:
This leads me to option...
2) Micro-SoG -- I'm thinking five plants in a 16"x16" space in one reservoir filled to approx. 8L (perhaps more, I haven't filled it up yet so I don't know the exact capacity to the bottom of the net pots). Obviously a mother is a requirement for this setup. In order to achieve the same yields as the ScrOG (predicting 3-4oz) I would need to harvest 17-23g per plant. Is this doable in such a space? I'm not sure.
Any thoughts?