Nonbelievers And Believers Alike, I Have A Question For You..
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ZenOne
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your a complete ignorant asshole.
god gave us a mind to let us chose for ourselves
he isent going to spell it out for your simple little mind.
its for you to discover and choose what you want believe in,
THIS dosent mean you can go around pissing on everyone elses beliefs.
get a life.
mindphuk
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There is evidence for atoms. It has nothing to do with seeing, feeling, tasting, etc. Your lack of knowledge and your disdain for science is astounding, considering you are currently communicating those beliefs through highly technical means that wouldn't be here if it weren't for scientists. Science is nothing more than a methodology that is used to help us learn new things, give us knowledge. The knowledge we get from science is actually useful as I pointed out. Please tell us how, in the whole history of mankind, the 'knowledge' gained from faith has ever been as demonstrably useful as science has been?
IregAt420
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Please tell how you got that I was saying faith have been "demonstrably useful as science has been"...
I said maybe if we put science to work on finding God...we might get lucky.
Lack of knowledge? Your always the bitch to droop to the level of insults. So FUCKIN what if I dont talk or type my shit out like you do, do you have a websters right next to you when you get on RIU?
'hm, what big word i can shove in this sentence....'
also, i never said there isnt evidence for atoms...pretty sure I said they existed(exist)
I said maybe if we put science to work on finding God...we might get lucky.
Lack of knowledge? Your always the bitch to droop to the level of insults. So FUCKIN what if I dont talk or type my shit out like you do, do you have a websters right next to you when you get on RIU?
'hm, what big word i can shove in this sentence....'
also, i never said there isnt evidence for atoms...pretty sure I said they existed(exist)
insane 559 jc
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As A Lifelong Soldier I Like The Saying Theres No Athiests In Foxholes... I Have Put My Life Literally On The Line Several Times In My Youth.
In My Opinion The One God Exists. Smoke One And Stay Up
In My Opinion The One God Exists. Smoke One And Stay Up
Sil Dil
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If you agree with me Pada that we cannot be 100% sure weather there is a God or not how can you question me beleving in one. My point is that it has to be a matter of faith because science can only get you as far as the big bang and abiogensis. Is it illogical to think that a "God" caused these things to occur? And as far as possibly beleiving in God because of being brought up Christian, doubtful. I had a period of about 4 years where I was an atheist and was never really a beleiver anyway. Just recently I was able to convince myself that we are a product of a creator, not perfect not all knowing but there none the less. So to anserw your question honestly, no, I do not have a deep understanding of the scietific theories of existence, however, I do understand all the concepts and have studided each briefly. I beleive there is God because either way you look at it something came from nothing (I anticipate youll correct me here) so that makes it a 50/50 bet right there, both options dont really "make sense". 0+0 cant ever equal 1 right? Then I choose to believe in a God because of human thought. I understand and obviosuly dont deny evolution, however, from what I understand, speices evolve to adapt to thier enviroments. What possible enviroment would result in the development of thought? I never got that (id love for you to explain)Looking forward to your response
crackerboy
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There is absolutely nothing that could ever shake my faith. I have seen the evidence on a daily basis in the changing of lives for the better. Just ask one of the millions that have had their lives transformed through Christ.
tardis
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It would take science finding our universe leads back to a God as a theory strong enough to be tested and succeed to the satisfaction of the science community.
crackerboy
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What about quantum physics? I was reading an article the other day saying that the new principles of quantum physics are defying what we thought we knew about physics.
mindphuk
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Explain. Quantum field theory is based on observation and experimentation and is part of physics. Just because QFT shows us how weird things work at that level, nothing has ever been presented that actually violates known physical laws.
Padawanbater2
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For the same reason you would question a Muslim or Scientologist about their god.
Also, if believing in God was practiced privately as an individual ritual, I'd have little to say about it. I believe the organizational institution of religion today is what makes my questioning it justified, as they actively seek out to convert people, and commit other acts that I believe harm society.
I believe it is illogical to think some kind of "supreme being" created the big bang and started abiogenesis. Let me explain why.. Simply because there is no evidence to suggest one did. When I say evidence, you need to understand what I mean, that one word alone carries a lot of weight. Evidence is anything that proves or disproves something. God, heaven, hell, angels, demons, etc. all these things are strictly out of that which we can measure. It has been my believe since as long as I can remember (even while I was a believer) that it is this way for a very specific reason. That which is unmeasurable is unprovable, i.e. can not be used as a form of evidence. Therefore, anything presentable in the real world cannot be used as evidence to support the idea that God exists. The whole concept of faith itself relies on this fact. One must have faith in God. I'm beginning to think this is one of the main reasons believers tend to think belief is a conscious choice one makes when the reality of the situation is that belief is nonconseqential to reality. Like I said before, it doesn't matter if I choose to believe gravit exists or not, if I jump off a building believing it doesn't, I will smack the ground none the less -- painfully.
Do you see what I'm saying? Am I explaining my point about why I think beliefs are not chosen clear enough?
Also, it's hard to understand how a being could create something so complex as what we observe in the universe. The why's that come along with pondering that are also just as incomprehensible, if not more.
I'm very interested in how you convinced yourself there is a creator. I'd like to hear it if you wouldn't mind sharing..
I disagree. I think you might be using a false dichotomy. There are more than two answers to the question how did the universe begin? - God did it - or - something came from nothing (which mainstream psysics/science doesn't support). There are really interesting theories out there that explain this stuff, but the more important part is ~and I am really fuckin' baked right now, just noticed that, got the bug eyes goin' on, lol~ you can't just jump to conclusions so quick. We don't have any evidence to support the idea, it isn't a 50/50 type situation, it's more like a 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (to about 534,023 more places) - all representing different theories with collective data stacks going up the verticle. Evolution is HIGH up near the top of what humanity views to be TRUTH, creation is near the bottom not taken seriously by anyone with respectable credentials or a basic understanding of the fundamentals o science. God is near the bottom, with an uncountable number of past gods being cast into the "myth" section, and all the present gods having nothing to show for themselves in the evidence or proof department.
Our superior intelligence developed in our ancestors for a few reasons.. 1. we switched from eating plants to eating meat. There is biological evidence, anatomical evidence, DNA evidence, TONS of evidence to prove this. Our ancestors started eating meat somewhere between 75,000 and 300,000 years ago, the extra protein in our diets enabled our brains to increase in size, again, there is a ton of evidence to back this up. The main part which grew was the frontal lobe, scientists today have determined that the frontal lobe part of our brains is a major part of our problem solving center and our personalty - which would explain our unique personalities amongst an enormous population.
To be concluded...
mindphuk
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I did not claim you said that. You said that "You see I put Faith before Science" and I merely asked a question about what kind of knowledge faith has given mankind. I would think this is an easy question for you to answer since you value faith more than science.
So now you're criticizing me for using 'big words?' You little cunt. I made no insult or personal attack on you yet you seem to have no problems making them.
I guess I'll have to dumb down my language for you now huh?
Yet you are claiming that things can exist without any evidence. You're the one that brought up atoms and tried to imply that because we can't see them, then they are equivalent to any imagined thing that we likewise can't see. Are you so fucking stupid that you not even understand the analogy that you made?
mindphuk
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Let's see, there are presents under the tree on Xmas morning, therefore it was either my parents or Santa. The odds of either one must be 50:50...
PRO TIP: Not all possibilities have equal probabilities even when we are talking about real things. It is even worse odds for imaginary things.
ZenOne
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amen brother.
robert 14617
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cancer ,rape, birth defects , poverty, disease how many are transformed by christ with these blessings
ZenOne
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Cancer-man made disease
poverty-a man made idea by creating money, making some worthless metal or paper worth some value separating those who have and those who dont.
rape-what can i say in this man made world there are some sick people.
birthdefects- how can you even stand up for science and then turn around and blame god for birth defects, scientist are always fucking around with
our bodys to make then "better" giving us hormones and needles that we dont need that might intern create birth defects or worse.
robert 14617
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so zen everything wrong in the world is man made and everything good is due to the glory of christ ...even you can't believe that
mindphuk
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Man did not create cancer. Even wild animals get cancer at nearly the same rate as people. Some viruses cause cancer too, did man create viruses?
Wealth is a real thing. Some things have value and other things don't. This is not an imaginary human concept but an intrinsic property of things that have limited supply. Money is a man-made concept but is only an intermediary to exchange actual things of value.
True.
Ridiculous. Science has made advances to limit birth defects, especially when compared to eras before medical and scientific knowledge in these areas. Animals also have birth-defects. Are these the fault of science too?