If atheist don't have Faith, how do They buy Faith n Evolution???
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mindphuk
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That's the answer for a skeptic, not an atheist. Skepticism of unfounded claims is generally a good way to live your life. I'm pretty sure you are skeptical of most extraordinary claims out there, loch ness monster, fairies, telepathy, alchemy, and every other religious claim that isn't Xtian based, right?
Atheism is merely the rejection of the theistic claim about the existence of a god or gods. Atheism is not science. Atheism is not evolution. Atheism is not a positive claim or belief in anything.
Belief doesn't imply faith. Belief can also mean that a person accepts the current understanding until new information changes those understandings. You are making way too much about the word 'belief.'
That's true. So far, we have not been able to in just a few short years, reproduce the events that took nature millions of years to do. I wonder why...
Scientist have not been able to get a positive net energy from nuclear fusion either, we have never been able to replicate the formation of the sun, so does that mean we never will?
What the hell does this mean?
Explain how the universe is perfect. What is perfect about it? It is immense, it is vast, it truly is awe inspiring. But perfect?
I would think that someone godly wouldn't criticize people for being skeptical of silly bronze-age myths and superstitions.
If when I die I find there is a god, I have a lot of questions. Why would he give us the ability to use reason and logic, yet require this faith thing? Why would he create a world that appears to follow natural laws and mathematics but wants us to believe that these laws that He created are easily violated?
NLXSK1
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Hey Weed4Cash...
One of your arguments is out the window. Scientists created artificial life in May of this year... God... Not so spectacular anymore...
http://dvice.com/archives/2010/05/man-creates-wor.php
One of your arguments is out the window. Scientists created artificial life in May of this year... God... Not so spectacular anymore...
http://dvice.com/archives/2010/05/man-creates-wor.php
brownbearclan
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There's really no point in trying to get 'weed4cash' to understand any type of reason and/or logic because they are going to believe the way they believe no matter how many facts you slap them in the face with. Apparently they don't quite grasp the concept of the scientific method and how it provides absolute proof of things when done properly.
As a former Christian myself, I'm truly embarrassed for this person. This thread wasn't made to seek answers or even debate anything, it's simply a tiny trollish internet podium for a braying jackass who doesn't even begin to understand the true teachings of Jesus.
Let's let George Carlin chime in on this subject. =)
[video=youtube;MeSSwKffj9o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o[/video]
As a former Christian myself, I'm truly embarrassed for this person. This thread wasn't made to seek answers or even debate anything, it's simply a tiny trollish internet podium for a braying jackass who doesn't even begin to understand the true teachings of Jesus.
Let's let George Carlin chime in on this subject. =)
[video=youtube;MeSSwKffj9o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o[/video]
NOWitall
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
well my firends, now we get to play with semantics
to compare science and religion using the word "faith" is faulty logic. science needs faith the way elephants need a snow cone maker.
it doesnt take faith to "buy" evolution, it takes a lack of self centered pride. to buy evolution u must simply realize we are not special, we are one more animal on a planet thats already lousey with animals. religion takes "faith" becuase religion tells you to ask an invisible man to fix ur problems. elovlution requires no such invisible man.
evolution happens every day my friends, every second, drug resistant viruses are a product of evolution (buts its all good if u dont beleive in viruses they cant hurt you)
polynesian skin divers (that dive without masks to catch fish) now have a genetic ability to contract the iris of their eye allowing clearer vision underwater. science fact.
theres a species of yellow bellied newt (vietnam i think) thats just starting evolutionary divergance, the ones near the coast still lay eggs, while the GENETICALLY IDENTICAL lizard just 5 miles inland has started giving live birth. thats evolution. the ability for irishmen to drink is evolution, the native american lack of a drinking ability is also evolution.
see the thing that drives me nuts, sure god is all Knowing all powerfull and he could create everything in an instant and know it all in advance, and he HAD to do it that way
no omni powerfull being would ever take his time at anything. if he can do anything than evolution is fully within his grasp.
but people cant accept that, (self centered pride again) its better to beleive that god put them spacificly on earth with no intermediaries
well my firends, now we get to play with semantics
to compare science and religion using the word "faith" is faulty logic. science needs faith the way elephants need a snow cone maker.
it doesnt take faith to "buy" evolution, it takes a lack of self centered pride. to buy evolution u must simply realize we are not special, we are one more animal on a planet thats already lousey with animals. religion takes "faith" becuase religion tells you to ask an invisible man to fix ur problems. elovlution requires no such invisible man.
evolution happens every day my friends, every second, drug resistant viruses are a product of evolution (buts its all good if u dont beleive in viruses they cant hurt you)
polynesian skin divers (that dive without masks to catch fish) now have a genetic ability to contract the iris of their eye allowing clearer vision underwater. science fact.
theres a species of yellow bellied newt (vietnam i think) thats just starting evolutionary divergance, the ones near the coast still lay eggs, while the GENETICALLY IDENTICAL lizard just 5 miles inland has started giving live birth. thats evolution. the ability for irishmen to drink is evolution, the native american lack of a drinking ability is also evolution.
see the thing that drives me nuts, sure god is all Knowing all powerfull and he could create everything in an instant and know it all in advance, and he HAD to do it that way
no omni powerfull being would ever take his time at anything. if he can do anything than evolution is fully within his grasp.
but people cant accept that, (self centered pride again) its better to beleive that god put them spacificly on earth with no intermediaries
Tym
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This guy just shows more and more of his ignorance every time he posts..
Atheists don't have faith.
Faith is belief without evidence.
Evolution has a overwhelming preponderance of evidence, it makes no extraordinary claims. It is quite intuitive.
Faith is not needed.
BTW, atheism is a lack of belief in a god. Nothing more.. An atheist does not have to accept evolution in order to be an atheist.
Evolution could be disproved tomorrow, it wouldn't make a shit of difference.
Try again, you're wrong, every time you post something like this, it's shot down quickly and logically.. Maybe you should do more research before you post these threads?
Try again...
Atheists don't have faith.
Faith is belief without evidence.
Evolution has a overwhelming preponderance of evidence, it makes no extraordinary claims. It is quite intuitive.
Faith is not needed.
BTW, atheism is a lack of belief in a god. Nothing more.. An atheist does not have to accept evolution in order to be an atheist.
Evolution could be disproved tomorrow, it wouldn't make a shit of difference.
Try again, you're wrong, every time you post something like this, it's shot down quickly and logically.. Maybe you should do more research before you post these threads?
Try again...
robert 14617
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nice and to the point tym thank you ...rob
Johnnyorganic
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That's the supreme irony of the Thumpers who choose to drag out that tired old 'Athieism is a religion' canard. The 'Evolution is religion' bullshit follows the same logic.
The attempt to discredit those who ask for proof by attacking faith. Which is faulty reasoning in the first place.
In the second place, and even more hilarious; it attacks the cornerstone of their own set of beliefs.
The attempt to discredit those who ask for proof by attacking faith. Which is faulty reasoning in the first place.
In the second place, and even more hilarious; it attacks the cornerstone of their own set of beliefs.
mindphuk
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Yea, I never quite understood the rationale for this line of argument. They attack science by calling it a religion and claim that it needs faith "as much as they need." Yet don't they value their faith and believe it is a way to know the world? That would be like me attacking religion for being too rational and skeptical.
Dear weedforcash
I am a athiest. my answer to your question is. If you read the bible and really understand what it says you might see my point of view. Beside being the largest selling piece of fiction every printed, it is the most degrading, and be littling thing written about women. religion was written by men for the sheer purpose control and power, power over women and power over the masses. If there was a god why would it pick one gender over another to control the other. If your god is the loving thing it is supposed be, it would not of made one person more superior than the other. I could go on but that is my point of view.
I am a athiest. my answer to your question is. If you read the bible and really understand what it says you might see my point of view. Beside being the largest selling piece of fiction every printed, it is the most degrading, and be littling thing written about women. religion was written by men for the sheer purpose control and power, power over women and power over the masses. If there was a god why would it pick one gender over another to control the other. If your god is the loving thing it is supposed be, it would not of made one person more superior than the other. I could go on but that is my point of view.
Anjinsan
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I want to understand one thing. Satan hates God...yes? Can all of us agree that if there was a Satan...that he would detest God? Now God rewards the "good" by entrance into heaven right? What purpose does hell serve then? To punish those that God seems as unfit to enter heaven correct? Does this actually make sense if you think about who Satan would be? Satan hates God. Why would he want to be a servant of God? By punishing those that God sees as evil...Satan is merely providing a service for God by taking up the role of "jail warden" It makes no sense at all. Hell would be more like what Satan liked. Not what God needed Hell to be.
Satan appear to like women that like to fuck, heavy metal, drugs, people that kill for fun and stuff along those lines. I am imagining a place more like Valhalla with whores and heavy metal as being more up Satan's alley.
Satan appear to like women that like to fuck, heavy metal, drugs, people that kill for fun and stuff along those lines. I am imagining a place more like Valhalla with whores and heavy metal as being more up Satan's alley.
Pipe Dream
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Science uses the word believe because it's all theoretical. Many things cannot be proven just as religious beliefs cannot be disproven. The difference is you blindly follow the bible and accept it as fact while scientist are constantly finding real facts to support their theories and are open minded to new ideas. To say it's a fact that life was created this way would be irresponsible until enough facts are established that prove the theory beyond reasonable doubt.
The point about evolution is exactly what I'm talking about...ideas evolve because there is always new evidence to be interpreted and therefore theories will change so basically what you say is makes no sense. How can evolutionists have the same old answers and disagree with the "theory" of evolution at the same time? Evolution is a fact, it can be proven that things evolve. Just because they may disagree with certain aspects of say Darwins theory of evolution doesn't mean that they don't believe in evolution. But like I said that's the difference, we can change our theories and our theories evolve while religious followers must stand behind even the most rediculous beliefs.
Just because we haven't reproduced life doesn't mean that it's not the truth. If we ever do create life are you going to change your beliefs about God? And your right wouldn't that make us god to the life we created? Maybe we were created by a different being and there is in fact a creater but that doesn't mean that any of your beliefs are right. It doesn't mean christians were right or muslums or any of the countless different religions. And it doesn't disprove the theory of evolution at all and that "God" may not know how he was created and brings us right back to where we are..trying to create life from nothing, it had to start somewhere.
shmow52
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yea OP believe whatever you want to believe. We aren't the ones looking like retards talking to ourselves every night.... You pray for miracles that never happen. And when once a year someone prays and a miracle actually happens everybody falls down on theirs knees and thanks god for this miracle...
Heisenberg
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They don't.... almost all of what you say atheist believe, is not what they believe. You are uneducated on the very subject you so smugly argue against. You are wearing your ignorance like a badge of honor.
I could say Christians are dumb because they sacrifice pickles to sheep, makes them sound stupid, but it isn't true. This is basically what you have done in your posts regarding atheism.
You seem to think science is just making a guess and then looking for evidence of that guess. Science observes evidence first and then tries it's best to explain that evidence. And when science forms a conclusion, it tries exhaustively to make that conclusion false, in case the conclusion is incorrect. Scientists then publish the findings so that other scientist can replicate and confirm. Doesn't this sound like a smart approach at understanding the world?
You seem to think that science changes based on each individual opinion, it doesn't. You are arguing against the way science is defined in your head, which just isn't the way science is defined in reality. Also, you seem to be unable to distinguish between science, evolution and atheism. The fact that you lump these all together in your mind suggests that you really don't understand much at all, which makes you a good christian.
The next time something strikes you as odd and you say to yourself "Athiests/science/evolutionists believe this silly claim, and it seems to dumb to believe it so why do they?" Consider that it may sound silly because, in fact, it is just a rumor and they don't really believe those claims.
Athiest and evolutionist certainly have a common ground. So if I refer to one and then another, it is because they share a common beliefe system. I am talking about people that matter and make a difference that changes something.
I was not talking about YOUR faith. Because you are not that important.
And that's being VERY honest.
I was not talking about YOUR faith. Because you are not that important.
And that's being VERY honest.
Dick Moser
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honestly...i hope we never meet thumper, cause your a whole bunch a stupid and i would love to see if i couldn't knock some sense into you (hell ITS WHAT JESUS WOULD DO)
Heisenberg
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Translation: I will make no attempt to understand why you say I am ignorant, but here's a post proving it more so. I shall now demonstrate my misunderstanding of atheism and evolution by claiming they are equivalent because they have similar beliefs. I will not address what you said about false claims because that would negate most of my points. Now I will confuse the matter further by implying that I am somehow more important than you, and that my importance makes some sort of difference to my argument.
Fact is, evolution makes no claims about god one way or another, and Atheism draws no conclusions about evolution. It is convenient for you to set up exaggerated false claims and to muddle the subjects together because it makes it easy for you to call other people stupid. In the end, it just amounts to a strawman. A strawman that is fooling no one but yourself. Whether or not I am important, or you are important, has nothing to do with anything. If we were both never born, reality would still be the same.