If atheist don't have Faith, how do They buy Faith n Evolution???

NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Pipe Dream said:
My original question was, how can athiest dog faith when they require it just like Christians do.

Everyone must have faith. Faith is just believing something that you cannot prove. Based on the facts I have learned, religous beliefs are far fetched, unlikely and in many instances downright impossible.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate people who believe in God many of my family members including my parents do. I personally choose not to believe stories that were written by people with little knowledge of how things actually work that has than been interpreted by someone else and than added to. Maybe there is a god but why is your religion right and every other religion wrong? How do you know what happened 2000 years ago? I have an open mind and would definately be interested in learning any evidence of god, no evidence has ever been brought to my attention that would suffice. If there really was a god, why wouldn't it continue to perform miracles for all to see which couldn't be explained away by modern science? Just gotta have faith right?

I actually disagree that thiss thread is dumb, in fact there has been a whole bunch of great posts just none from the original poster. And whenever someone addresses your ? you act like it never happened, why not post something relevant to the issue instead of more meaningless posts? Where's all the believers to come back you up, are you the only one? No, I think that even believers see you as naaive and don't want to be associated with your garbage.

Your last post reminds me of one of my favorite utube videos. Because without god there would be no reason to be a good person who doesn't rape and kill right? Oh and religious fanatics never kill others either right? Right.
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But what PROOF do you have that god exists? A book written by man? That requires FAITH and is proof of nothing.

However, I have PROOF of many pieces of bone that can be dated back into the past many millions if not tens of millions of years. Those bones are FACT. Now, the conclusions you draw from them are yours to decide.

We believe in Gravity... We cannot really explain it but there is plenty of PROOF that it exists. If we believe in gravity then that does not make god any more or less likely.
 
Pipe Dream

Pipe Dream

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NLXSK1 said:
But what PROOF do you have that god exists? A book written by man? That requires FAITH and is proof of nothing.

However, I have PROOF of many pieces of bone that can be dated back into the past many millions if not tens of millions of years. Those bones are FACT. Now, the conclusions you draw from them are yours to decide.

We believe in Gravity... We cannot really explain it but there is plenty of PROOF that it exists. If we believe in gravity then that does not make god any more or less likely.
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your barking up the wrong tree bro, I just copy pasted the OP's ? LOL.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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Atheist morality is doing what you believe is right.

Religious morality is believing what you are doing is right.
 
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fdd2blk

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NLXSK1 said:
But what PROOF do you have that god exists? A book written by man? That requires FAITH and is proof of nothing.

However, I have PROOF of many pieces of bone that can be dated back into the past many millions if not tens of millions of years. Those bones are FACT. Now, the conclusions you draw from them are yours to decide.

We believe in Gravity... We cannot really explain it but there is plenty of PROOF that it exists. If we believe in gravity then that does not make god any more or less likely.
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everybody knows those bones were planted there by satan to test your FAITH. sheesh. :roll:
 
Pipe Dream

Pipe Dream

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Heisenberg said:
My roomie, who is atheist, still thinks religion helps keep people from committing crime, and without it we would have chaos. For some reason this is a belief he holds onto, despite his contempt for religion.

I explained that if that were true, we should see a higher rate of crime among those who don't believe in god. If fear of hell keeps you from raping someone, then once you don't believe in hell anymore you should have no fear. Of course when you look at the numbers atheists have about the same crime rate as any other group of people. There are tribes in undiscovered parts of the world that have never heard of the bible, yet they manage not to steal, kill or rape each other.

Religious people kill for god, steal for god, lie for god, rape for god. God often offers a justification for those who are already inclined to do evil things. The bible itself contains scenes of murder, rape, deceit, betrayal; it's actually a pretty violent book.

I like this quote "With or without religion we would still have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things. But for a good person to do evil things..that requires religion."
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I have no idea where you got your statistics from and therefore cannot say that your statement is true. Also, statistics themselves can be very misleading and I tend to dispute them even if they validate my point. That's the "free thinker" in me I guess.

I could see y your roomate would feel this way though and very well may be right that it does help eliminante crime among the very weak minded individuals. I think religion is a set of ideals with extravagant stories that are taken too literally by people. I agree with the ideals of christianity it's unfortunate that the believers often don't practice what they preach. Religion also has a way of making otherwise "good" people act extremely out of character in the name of god. I live by my own rules of ethics and morality and therefore it is much harder to be convinced to betrray those ethics.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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weed4cash said:
Dick Moser

It's easy to believe something if no one challenges your faith isn't it? That's why scientist get so pissed when some one challenges their knowledge. They are not used to being challenged. Most idiots just trust that, if he is a SCIENTIST, he must be right.

Christians are used to their faith being challenged. We get it all the time. I don't get pissed when some one challenges me. I take what they say and give them my opinion.

You must be insecure. Obviously because no one requires you to explain your shallow beliefe system.

But go ahead and fantasize beating my head in. Maybe this shit is just too deep for you.

P.S. your dick is showing.
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Even jesus is laughing at this post!

 
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weed4cash

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fdd2blk said:
what is your opinion on clergy members molesting children? why do you refuse to even acknowledge it happens? this is the third time i've asked you directly and you have yet to address the issue. :neutral:
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Is that really what you are going to bring to this debate. Wow. How much have you been smoking?
Pedophiles are pedophiles. Have you guys ever watched To Catch a Predator?
They are any one and any where.
Should we protect children if we know a person is a pedophile? Of course. But should we assume a religion is wrong because pedophiles are among us. No
That’s the shallowest fucking thing I have ever heard. Is that really the base for your argument that God is not real???
It’s like me saying I know a scientist that is a pedophile so evolution must be false.
My church has never tolerated a know predator. Ever. How do you know who they are? Ever see any one walking around with a shirt that say Hi, I’m a child molester?
You probably have one in your own family and don’t even know it.
Does that make your family not real?
 
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weed4cash

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NLXSK1 said:
But what PROOF do you have that god exists? A book written by man? That requires FAITH and is proof of nothing.

However, I have PROOF of many pieces of bone that can be dated back into the past many millions if not tens of millions of years. Those bones are FACT. Now, the conclusions you draw from them are yours to decide.

We believe in Gravity... We cannot really explain it but there is plenty of PROOF that it exists. If we believe in gravity then that does not make god any more or less likely.
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The bible is the beginning of faith. Not faith it self. Just like Darwin is the beginning of beliefe in evolution.

Is Darwin real? All we have is books. So should we believe that Darwin is real? How can you prove he is real? Can I sit down with him and ask him questions?
If you can rely on history then why can't Christians?


I never understood why Atheist use gravity to debunk God. Gravity is a law. Do laws happen by accident?

I see the world and it's proof of God because it is made up of laws. Who can honestly say that chaos makes laws? Every thing around us screams a creator not an accident.

So why gravity?
 
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weed4cash

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I opened this thread to talk about religion. All you guys that don't like my post. Maybe you need to grow up a bit your self and start respecting my religion instead of being ass holes. Then I will also give you a respectable answer.

But if you are an ass hole, there's not much to debate.
 
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yolas

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bro for thousands of years the world was in the grip of religion and what positives come out of it, the degradation of women, anyone different, witches fuck me so sad. Now funny how with the advent of the industrial revolution and sciences rise (in the west now but slowly spreading), life expentancy and quality has risen dramatically, sanitaion, the ability to fight diseases that were previously just given over as the will of god. This is real shit real people living better, happier and longer. Think about it what real good has religion done exept make people feel better about their shit meaningless life, isnt that the point of it after all.
 
Papa Raazi

Papa Raazi

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weed4cash said:
I opened this thread to talk about religion. All you guys that don't like my post. Maybe you need to grow up a bit your self and start respecting my religion instead of being ass holes. Then I will also give you a respectable answer.

But if you are an ass hole, there's not much to debate.
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If you started this to talk only about religion then i guess you have no interest in hearing about evolution?
 
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weed4cash

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Heisenberg said:
Once again, you are describing science as it exists in your mind, which is not how it exists in reality. In your head scientists are some guys in white jackets who think they are smart and when someone says they are wrong they jump up and down and curse god.

In reality, science thrives on challenge. A negative result means just as much as a positive one. Science admits it was wrong on almost a daily basis. Science has no choice but to follow evidence, and when new evidence is discovered science will readily admit it got something wrong, and then change it's conclusion to fit the new evidence. In contrast, religion never changes it's mind or considers new evidence.

It seems that you are more interested in who can be the biggest smart-ass and get the last word in. I have confidence you will win that contest. You respond only to the posts and points that you have a clever retort for. You don't seem interested in answering the question which started this thread. You embrace ignorance and then taunt others for not doing the same.
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Check out his video No Intelligent Allowed
It ask some great questions about why Creation is not allowed in science.
It addresses issues like scientist getting fired for even suggesting creation could be possible. It also asks the question, why doesn’t science take the idea of creation remotely serious?

Look, I’m not asking you to take it on faith alone. Neither is Ben Stein. He give you the facts and lets you make up your mind.
You say I am asking you to be ignorant here. I’m not. I’m saying there is more to it then your little corner of the science universe.
I’m saying, step out of your ego and LOOK at what we have in our corner. It makes sense, and science isn’t as innocent as you may think.

It’s a power struggle. Science vs. Creation. I really don’t think scientist CARE if religious people are right.
I think it’s all about the money.

Ever wonder what would happen to the funding of universities of science if they went Christian?

Are scientist really trying to answer the God question? Or are they just controlled by money?
 
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weed4cash

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Papa Raazi said:
If you started this to talk only about religion then i guess you have no interest in hearing about evolution?
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The problem is that every one that debates that idea, simply states that if you don't believe it, you must be stupid.

People are full of shit. You need to bring more then name calling to the table to convince a Christian of something.

But you are right. My mind is made up.
I like my church, my friends, and I have deep spiritual reasons for my faith.

Dawkis admits to intelligent design

[video=youtube;8Csop4ROeNg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Csop4ROeNg&feature=fvst[/video]
 
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