Dual Tent Grow - 2 x Secret Jardin DR150W

LionsRoor

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I got the new lights setup; C.A.P. LumeCool hoods with MaxLume 600w MH bulbs to start. I'm really pleased with the hoods for the price ($50 a hood out the door - new - 5yr warranty!). They are a little clunky - and the finish is less than perfect. But the glass is nice, they seem strong, and they seal up tight. Compared to Adjust-a-Wings, they weigh a ton! My Quantum ballasts fired these new MH bulbs without incidence. I will take some light readings to document their output new... and then see if it degrades much over the course of a cycle.

Here are some initial setup pics.

Is it cool to exhaust through your hoods?


Try to keep a level head when hanging your new hoods.


Sorry to disappoint aero-heads, these posts are merely stands for my 2 x 4 trays.
 

Dick Moser

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loving the hinged glass, where did you get those??? and im wondering, your six inch fan is pulling air out through the hoods right??? if so can you manage to fit the carbon filter on the open end of the hood? love the set up more and more and i loved it when it was just a drawing :)
 

LionsRoor

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loving the hinged glass, where did you get those??? and im wondering, your six inch fan is pulling air out through the hoods right??? if so can you manage to fit the carbon filter on the open end of the hood? love the set up more and more and i loved it when it was just a drawing :)
Thanks, DM. Yes - that would be better to have carbon fiber filters on the intake of the hoods... but I am just going to use nylons to keep the big pieces from going through my lights and my exhaust fan - and not worry about odor.

I'm going to have to duct the lights separately to make this system legit. But I am going to start as is. I will hope for cooperative weather, and turn down my ballasts to 75 or 50% as needed. 300 - 450 watts is still formidable wattage for a 2 x 4 tent.

I'm running some temp/humidity tests now...

Off we go, I will get plant material this weekend.

Private me about the hoods.
 

LionsRoor

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After running some tests, it became apparent that exhausting through my hoods was not going to cut it... furthermore, my 4" intake was not keeping up with the demands of the system.

One of the most agonizing things for me is to undo or redo work I have already done. So with much pain and regret, I had to redo my ventilation system to air cool the lights and increase the intake CFM. It's one thing to take down and redo some duct runs after you've used them for awhile, but to undo what you did yesterday hurts!

Oh - and of course you have to buy more shat, further diminishing my efforts to only utilize equipment I had. I picked up a new 6" Valuline fan, a 6" HEPA filter, more ducting, more tape, clamps, and some misc hardware.

It's always easier to plan than it is to execute, but a good plan makes execution easier.


Specs for the new climate system:

  • 6" C.A.P. Valuline for intake w/ 6" DustShroom HEPA
  • 6" Vortex for exhaust
  • 4" Vortex for lighting exhaust w/ 4" DustShroom HEPA
I'll get to the actual setup in my next post.

Like a breath of fresh air, a new fan and filter will help to further control the environment.
 

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LionsRoor

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I added a 6" intake port alongside the existing 4" intake. The 6" and 4" DustShroom's just fit inside the old AC housing I am using to camouflage my intake. A hygro/thermo wireless sensor is placed near the ports to monitor the intake temperature and humidity.

When was the last time you shroomed? These HEPA filters are a good trip!


Black holes don't just exist in outer space. You can often find them in your office too.


What a sucker! The 6" Valuline fan will give the tents a bigger breath of fresh air upon inhale.


Not the ideal run, but sometimes you have to go Twisted Sister to make it work.


I will follow up with more pics in the next post.
 

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Lt. Dan

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Sorry to hear about the rework.

I'll be using a similar set up..... I was thinking about putting the fan (for the lights) in between the tents, using a "Y" and sucking air from both tent lights.
In a continuous run, you'd be sucking the hot air from the first tent light into the next tent light............... Am I, "over thinking" this? :)

Cheers,
 

LionsRoor

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I'll be using a similar set up..... I was thinking about putting the fan (for the lights) in between the tents, using a "Y" and sucking air from both tent lights.
In a continuous run, you'd be sucking the hot air from the first tent light into the next tent light............... Am I, "over thinking" this? :)
Hey LT! Not sure I am following you, but let me try to clarify... If you are exhausting through the hoods, then a "Y" between the tents makes sense as you will have even exhaust flow from both ends of the "Y", and each hood will receive air that has not already passed over a hot bulb (as you noted above). With this method, you will need another "Y" and extra length of ducting if your intake source is a singular port (such as mine)... and once you add this second "Y" to the run you may need another fan. Running inline is more efficient, though the cooling effect is diminished as the cool air warms when it passes over each light of the run. With only two lights, there is a natural offset: Air moving through the first hood is cooler but moving more slowly than air across the second hood (the fan is closer). 4 to 6 - 600 watt lights and one 8" fan is common for an inline run. Of course, that doesn't mean it's better! haha
 

bajafox

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WOW MAN!! That is one fucking amazing set up and you have made me feel a little jealous :D

I run a DR120 and a DR120W, I considered going with a DR150W instead of my DR120 but decided against it. Hopefully when I have more room I will be running something similar, good luck :leaf:
 

LionsRoor

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Ideally, the lights would have a proper 6" intake and fan too, but I only have room for the 4" intake alongside my new 6" intake, and I wanted to use a 4" Vortex I already have.

The 6 x 4 reducers are hidden in the hut duct flanges.


I was exhausting through this hood.


Things are getting cooler already.


This is the new 600 watt MH bulb from MaxLume.


I was using this 4" Vortex for intake. She was undersized for that job too!


I will run through the exhaust in the next post...
 

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LionsRoor

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Dealing with the existing exhaust outlets in the room was a challenge. I debated changing the exhaust ports in the room, but did not want to redo the existing ducting in the attic.

I'm exhausted!


Don't get hung up trying to figure out where a stud is.


The hard pipe has the least amount of wind resistance, and gives your zone that industrial look.


Breath in. Breath out.


We stepped it up to a 6" intake. That is so cool.


Each tent exhaust now works independently of the lights.


OK, Girls. Your new townhouse is ready.
 

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Lt. Dan

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Hey LT! Not sure I am following you, but let me try to clarify... If you are exhausting through the hoods, then a "Y" between the tents makes sense as you will have even exhaust flow from both ends of the "Y", and each hood will receive air that has not already passed over a hot bulb (as you noted above). With this method, you will need another "Y" and extra length of ducting if your intake source is a singular port (such as mine)... and once you add this second "Y" to the run you may need another fan. Running inline is more efficient, though the cooling effect is diminished as the cool air warms when it passes over each light of the run. With only two lights, there is a natural offset: Air moving through the first hood is cooler but moving more slowly than air across the second hood (the fan is closer). 4 to 6 - 600 watt lights and one 8" fan is common for an inline run. Of course, that doesn't mean it's better! haha
Thanks for the reply,

That sure is a nice set up you got..... Nicely Done Too!
 

LionsRoor

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WOW MAN!! That is one fucking amazing set up and you have made me feel a little jealous :D

I run a DR120 and a DR120W, I considered going with a DR150W instead of my DR120 but decided against it. Hopefully when I have more room I will be running something similar, good luck :leaf:
Thanks! Your setup is very similar to mine, and you have done some great work. I took a quick look at your thread - but at 100+ pages I could not take it all in yet! haha
 

LionsRoor

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I picked up some hot chicks today... 25 to be exact.

25 pack of Skywalker OG.


I've never worked with Skywalker before, but I am excited to try this cut of OG. I am happy with the clones. They were all nicely rooted in Jiffy cubes.

This is one of the nicest, but they are all sexy babes.


I set them up with Solo cups filled with Royal Gold Basement mix. I watered them with plain RO water (20 ppm) PH'd to about 6.5; the Royal Gold is lightly charged to start. I have never tried this mix, but I was assured that it is not too hot for fresh clones or seedlings. I watered the clones well and then redressed the top soil to fill in the gaps; very light compaction.

Use the force, Luke.


Anybody running Basement, I would love to hear from you?

I placed all clones in the Master tent with with just the one upper AirKing fan running. The 600 watt MH is dimmed to 50% (300 watts). The tents run really dry (22% today), so I added a small 1 gallon humidifier to raise the moisture level. These clones have been in trays, in close quarters, under humidity domes. I didn't want to shock them with HID lighting and sub 30% RH. The Sentinel is set to trigger the intake/exhaust fans at 77F / 70% humidity. With MH lights at 50%, the temps will never hit 77F, so the real trigger here is humidity. Setting the Sentinel at 70% gives me a nice average of about 72-75F at the plants, with 60-63% humidity.

The humidifier won't be the center of the show for long.


I won't need the humidifier for long. I will move it off to the side tomorrow. Once they start breathing on their own, it will be back to a fight against humidity. For now, humidity is our friend! I will turn the lights up to 450 watts shortly, and to 600 watts later in the week. I will wait until they take before I give them any nutes... though I may supplement the RO with CalMag to about 130ppm for the next watering.
 

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bajafox

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Awesome :weed:

I've smoked top shelf Skywalker OG and Skywalker OG Episode 2, both were memorable strains, the kind you smoke and never forget until you smoke it again...

Happy growing, I'm glued to your thread
 

LionsRoor

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Awesome :weed:

I've smoked top shelf Skywalker OG and Skywalker OG Episode 2, both were memorable strains, the kind you smoke and never forget until you smoke it again...

Happy growing, I'm glued to your thread
Thanks! OG is my favorite. Let's see if I can do this Skywalker justice. I aim to create something memorable too! haha With good genetics, you just have to keep 'em alive. So far I have not killed 'em. They've been in their new home for 8+ hours and all seems to be OK.

Do you have any OG in your garden now?
 

bajafox

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I'm chopping a Sour OG from Cali Connections in a couple of days, that's my only OG. I started out with about 10 or so strains and narrowing it down to just 4 or 5 that I will keep around and try to save some space for 2 or 3 experimental strains
 

LionsRoor

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48 Hours.


At 72 hours, things are going well, but I have had to work for it! The girls had evidence of mite damage upon arrival, though I could find no mites. I thought it best to actively fight them anyway. I mixed up a foliar with a 24 oz of 18PPM RO, with 5ml of Azatrol, and a drop of dish soap. The PH was about 7.0. I looked closely at every leaf on every plant, and sprayed well--especially the undersides of the leaves. I will hit them again in 3 - 5 days, and then in another 3 - 5 days after that. I will monitor closely. I've been a little paranoid - thinking every spec of coco is a mite! haha Again, I have yet to see any, but the leaves on many tell the tale of the Mom they came from. This is common when you purchase clones - and the one drag of these cut-only strains. Oh well, that is part of garden work. I hope that I will not have to deal with mites in my new zone.

Mites are common on clone only strains. This is mite damage, but I could not find any mites. The white leaf in the background, gave its' all to allow roots to form.


New growth on all looks good. With good roots, and good new growth, I feel I can get over anything else!


I began the Soul Synthetics program today. I went with a little less than half strength. The Soul Grow smells just like Snapple! I have a good feeling about these nutes; anything that tastes that good... hahaha! Seriously, these nutes do seem nice. They mix up really well though they have a little more body than other synthetic nutes.

Have you got soul?


To start the SS program, you use Soul Grow, and Infinity. Roots recommends 3ml, 5ml per gal of each respectively. I went 1.25ml Soul Grow, and 2.25ml Infinity. This put my 18ppm RO to 225ppm. I PH'd to 6.7. This is just about what I wanted for the first feeding... I hit em with less than 150ml each, and still had about 10% runoff... I probably could have waited another day to feed. But I wanted to keep things moist to aid in mite control, and I was anxious to feed em. Coco works well to water when it is still damp rather than dry. I was told the Basement can get hard on you too if you let it dry out. As I went about half strength, it looks like the factory starting PPM's for the SS program are about 400.

Soul Synthetics Grow label.


Soul Synthetics Infinity label.


The environment has been working well. The tents run bone dry, so the humidifier is still necessary. I have never used a humidifier before! Rather than have the humidifier on a timer or activated by the Sentinel, I am letting it run. It has two settings: hi and lo. I have the Sentinel set to fire at 79F or 67RH. It rarely gets to 79 in the tent, so humidity becomes the trigger. Set at 67%, this kicks on the fans for less than a minute until they go off at 63%, this still lowers the humidity to about 55% before it starts to creep back up. This kicks on the fans 5 - 10 times an hour. This works well to bring fresh air (CO2) into the sealed tents.

At 72 hours, things are OK!


Watch your speed; one for intake, and one for exhaust fan speed.

 

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Dick Moser

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hey, you ever want to switch lives...or even go on vaca...like forever...let me know, i got your bck bro :) id take care of ALL those little ladies ofr ya :) the first clone i ever got from a friend had mites...NEVER AGAIN!!!! i dont take clones ever. but those look damn fine, those are the kinda ladies when they get all big and sexy, get to co on cruises and trips through Amsterdam coffee houses!!!
 

LionsRoor

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Hey Dick - thanks, I'll give ya a call when I need a break! Haha - yeah, they have potential, huh? You are wise to avoid clones from clone providers... I too, like to run my own genetics, but sometimes you just need material and it's nice to be able to get stuff when ya need it!

You have good taste in women. haha
 
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