Can You Tell The Difference?

[meharmon]

Newtons has jack shit to do with density?
Density= mass/volume
weight= newtons= mass(gravity)
gravity=9.8m/s squared
so
(newtons/gravity=kg=mass)/volume=density.... you were saying
o btw, alls you need is a few conversion to switch between the 2 systems.

Sigh, this really should go without saying, but please... converting measurements to arbitrary units is ... ASININE. Like using a tape measure to determine the volume of an irregularly shaped object. I shouldn't have used the word weight in that one sentence as I see it confused you. Newtons are a measure of force, not mass. Weight and newtons are related via gravity. Weight and mass are not the same. So, again, since density is mass/volume, its fairly simple to calculate and you can avoid some really unnecessary conversions. On a side note, my height is 1.95993281 × 10^-16 light years.

 

[meharmon]

Old news bro, vid made from pics in his journal, which is also linked to from Youtube, but way to dig deeper! Care to "weigh" in on which bud was which?

It all makes total sense now. The OP of this thread either owns or works for a company specializing in these LED panels. If money were on the line, I'd be lying about my yields too. Yikes dude, what a joke .

Here is a link to his youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/ledgrowlightsdirect#p/a/u/2/4HbG1IlPmNU

...and be sure to compare the pictures:

 

[homebrewer]

Old news bro, vid made from pics in his journal,

Sure, sounds like a poor way to push lights that don't yield anything.

Care to "weigh" in on which bud was which?

What does it matter? They both look like shit.

 

[oldecrowe]

Man in Black: All right. Where is the LED? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both smoke, and find out who is right... and who is high.
Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the LED into his own bowl or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the LED into his own bowl, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the bud in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the bud in front of me.
Man in Black: You've made your decision then?
Vizzini: Not remotely. Because cannabis comes from Central Asia, as everyone knows, and Central Asia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the bud in front of you.
Man in Black: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Vizzini: Wait til I get going! Now, where was I?
Man in Black: Central Asia.
Vizzini: Yes, Central Asia. And you must have suspected I would have known the plant's origin, so I can clearly not choose the bud in front of me.
Man in Black: You're just stalling now.
Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the LED in your own bong, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the bud in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the LED as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the bud in front of me.
Man in Black: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.
Vizzini: IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE THE LED IS!
Man in Black: Then make your choice.
Vizzini: I will, and I choose - What in the world can that be?
[Vizzini gestures up and away from the table. Roberts looks. Vizzini swaps the bongs]
Man in Black: What? Where? I don't see anything.
Vizzini: Well, I- I could have sworn I saw something. No matter.First, let's smoke. Me from my bong, and you from yours.
[Vizzini and the Man in Black smoke]
Man in Black: You guessed wrong.
Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched bongs when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when THC is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
[Vizzini stops suddenly,his smile frozen on his face and falls to the right out of camera dead]
Buttercup: And to think, all that time it was your bud that was LED'd.
Man in Black: They were both LED'd. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to cannabis smoke.

I need to get a life...

Was afraid I would get to the end of this thread and have absolutely nothing to show for it. Then this. Lol'd
Thanks for making an otherwise completely worthless thread funny.
Yeah, and I could grow (and have) better looking bud with a spent match and a picture of the sun in heavy rain than the compressed navel lint-bud which this piss-stain of a shill has displayed for our amusement.
Oh my, did I just say that...? Must've been the HIDHomo comment that did it.
Ah well, thanks for all the yucks!

 

[newworldicon]

At what point does the argument of which is better become boring to everyone yakking in this thread??????????????? We don't sit and argue about whether aeroponics is better than soil, we understand the pros and cons of each and decide which we want to use in our growing space.

There are pros and cons to everything and to debunk LED simply because manufacturers have exaggerated claims of ability in the last few years is pretty much an insult to the genuine growers out there who are trying to maximise this technology.

They are getting cheaper and much better with deeper penetration capabilities using 3W and 6W LED's. In five years from now all the debunkers will be choking on their own foolish pride!!

Just to remind HID lovers, this was stumbled upon and has comparatively gone through very little further design and improvement compared to LED.

If you were to really look at both of these lights in their historic and technological evolution the LED shits on HID in that evolutionary race even though the LED is an infant.

So what if a 300W LED panel only produces 300g of dry vs. an HPS 600W whacking out 400g, take the heat issue, electricity and extraction out of the equation and throw back in that LED based on past evidence produces a frostier bud then I think it becomes apparent.......LED deserves more respect.

Just to prove LED is rapidly becoming more affordable from even 6 months ago here is a link to show.....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-500w-Blackstar-LED-Grow-light-3w-Flowering-LEDs-/270658750599?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0484c887#ht_6856wt_961

Show me a 500W panel you could buy for $550 6 months ago.

Lastly for anyone who wants to yak up a bit of cat fur on my doorstep......I have 2x 600W HPS with digi ballasts and am very familiar what I can get from them and what I have to deal with with them yet I have just purchased 2x 550W selective switch LED panels from hydroponic hut. I don't work for them, I don't get a commission from them, I get nothing from them except a small discount in shipping and in turn I like LEDBUDGUY and many others who offer grow journals do it to try and show others what they can do.

HID lovers usually hold the grower with LED responsible for the manufacturers wild claims, when was that ever fair?????????????????

I am not expecting to yield more necessarily from a 550W LED as my 600's but even if I get a few ounces less in return for less leccie consumption and less heat then I am happy.

 

[brownbearclan]

I love laughing at all of you HID homos...

Here's where this thread lost the tiny bit of credibility it had going for it. =P

On a side note I've still never seen a commercial grow-op use LEDs...just sayin'...

 

[newworldicon]

Here's where this thread lost the tiny bit of credibility it had going for it. =P

On a side note I've still never seen a commercial grow-op use LEDs...just sayin'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD-Vq7pG1Fw

 

[jdizzle22]

At what point does the argument of which is better become boring to everyone yakking in this thread??????????????? We don't sit and argue about whether aeroponics is better than soil, we understand the pros and cons of each and decide which we want to use in our growing space.

There are pros and cons to everything and to debunk LED simply because manufacturers have exaggerated claims of ability in the last few years is pretty much an insult to the genuine growers out there who are trying to maximise this technology.

They are getting cheaper and much better with deeper penetration capabilities using 3W and 6W LED's. In five years from now all the debunkers will be choking on their own foolish pride!!

Just to remind HID lovers, this was stumbled upon and has comparatively gone through very little further design and improvement compared to LED.

If you were to really look at both of these lights in their historic and technological evolution the LED shits on HID in that evolutionary race even though the LED is an infant.

So what if a 300W LED panel only produces 300g of dry vs. an HPS 600W whacking out 400g, take the heat issue, electricity and extraction out of the equation and throw back in that LED based on past evidence produces a frostier bud then I think it becomes apparent.......LED deserves more respect.

Just to prove LED is rapidly becoming more affordable from even 6 months ago here is a link to show.....

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-500w-Blackstar-LED-Grow-light-3w-Flowering-LEDs-/270658750599?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0484c887#ht_6856wt_961

Show me a 500W panel you could buy for $550 6 months ago.

Lastly for anyone who wants to yak up a bit of cat fur on my doorstep......I have 2x 600W HPS with digi ballasts and am very familiar what I can get from them and what I have to deal with with them yet I have just purchased 2x 550W selective switch LED panels from hydroponic hut. I don't work for them, I don't get a commission from them, I get nothing from them except a small discount in shipping and in turn I like LEDBUDGUY and many others who offer grow journals do it to try and show others what they can do.

HID lovers usually hold the grower with LED responsible for the manufacturers wild claims, when was that ever fair?????????????????

I am not expecting to yield more necessarily from a 550W LED as my 600's but even if I get a few ounces less in return for less leccie consumption and less heat then I am happy.

I like where you're going but that light is really only like 252w

 

[newworldicon]

I like where you're going but that light is really only like 252w

Yet it would kick the shit out of any 400W HID and probably come very close if not equal to a 600 in producing and as you aptly pointed out it is only 252W of power. It's a real shame that LED has this legacy of over exaggeration as it seems to hold so many people hostile to it.

And we think we are progressive in our thinking...

 

[meharmon]

Yeah Blackstar is one of those companies who use the rated output not actual output, but I think jdizzle was throwing that in there for the pricing comparison info. Judging off my 240W pulling ~133, that 550 should be pulling close to ~300W with ~275 going to LEDs, and is roughly equivalent to double that in HPS, which makes for a much more efficient (g/w) grow, although I'd love to see one pull the weight that homebrewers "Purple Urkel" did under 600W HPS, but at that we're looking at ~700W draw so for efficiency LED is tops, eh?

On a side note, my next grow will be testing a green tinted HPS vs. a green LED, any bets?

 

[jdizzle22]

Yeah Blackstar is one of those companies who use the rated output not actual output, but I think jdizzle was throwing that in there for the pricing comparison info. Judging off my 240W pulling ~133, that 550 should be pulling close to ~300W with ~275 going to LEDs, and is roughly equivalent to double that in HPS, which makes for a much more efficient (g/w) grow, although I'd love to see one pull the weight that homebrewers "Purple Urkel" did under 600W HPS, but at that we're looking at ~700W draw so for efficiency LED is tops, eh?

On a side note, my next grow will be testing a green tinted HPS vs. a green LED, any bets?

Are you joking? Why would you test green? Doesn't everyone believe that green light is useless for marijuana? They even advertise green lights so you can work on your plants at night without waking them up

 

[newworldicon]

Are you joking? Why would you test green? Doesn't everyone believe that green light is useless for marijuana? They even advertise green lights so you can work on your plants at night without waking them up

I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt and call it sarcasm.....

 

[wyteberrywidow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD-Vq7pG1Fw

Now put hid in there guarentted those colas will be much fatter,denser = heavier then with all those led lights.

Yet it would kick the shit out of any 400W HID and probably come very close if not equal to a 600 in producing and as you aptly pointed out it is only 252W of power. It's a real shame that LED has this legacy of over exaggeration as it seems to hold so many people hostile to it.

And we think we are progressive in our thinking...

I doubt it.Ive seen people pull alot off a 400 and i doubt a 252 watt ledd will do that.Just like you can see hobbes pull 2.5 grams a watt from a 600..I didnt see a led do that yet..Also it has no penetration strength.

 

[jdizzle22]

Now put hid in there guarentted those colas will be much fatter,denser = heavier then with all those led lights.


I doubt it.Ive seen people pull alot off a 400 and i doubt a 252 watt ledd will do that.Just like you can see hobbes pull 2.5 grams a watt from a 600..I didnt see a led do that yet..Also it has no penetration strength.

pretty impressive for UFOs which are not the best

 

[newworldicon]

Now put hid in there guarentted those colas will be much fatter,denser = heavier then with all those led lights.


I doubt it.Ive seen people pull alot off a 400 and i doubt a 252 watt ledd will do that.Just like you can see hobbes pull 2.5 grams a watt from a 600..I didnt see a led do that yet..Also it has no penetration strength.

Yak yak yak whiteberrywidow!!!!

Posting the video was not a referral to me thinking that was a great set up, I was giving him the chance to see a large scale LED grow.

You have many doubts but you clearly never bother to investigate, how do I know this? because you are a sceptic. To correct you, the power draw is 252W. But how would you know that!

How does pointing at Hobbes and his 2.5g per watt got anything to do with it, he is a great grower probably and the light has less to do with the outcome than the other factors but again how would you know that. Show me any other growers producing that then again try to tell me it's relevant.

As for penetration, yak yak yak....you vomit cliche's out oblivious to the huge acceleration in forward technology.

Yak yak yak.

 

[shmow52]

Sigh, this really should go without saying, but please... converting measurements to arbitrary units is ... ASININE. Like using a tape measure to determine the volume of an irregularly shaped object. I shouldn't have used the word weight in that one sentence as I see it confused you. Newtons are a measure of force, not mass. Weight and newtons are related via gravity. Weight and mass are not the same. So, again, since density is mass/volume, its fairly simple to calculate and you can avoid some really unnecessary conversions. On a side note, my height is 1.95993281 × 10^-16 light years.

but either way you still are wrong, newtons are related to density, as they are to mass just divide by gravity and you have mass. Weight and newtons arent related they are the same thing....

 

[wyteberrywidow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD-Vq7pG1Fw

Yet it would kick the shit out of any 400W HID and probably come very close if not equal to a 600 in producing and as you aptly pointed out it is only 252W of power. It's a real shame that LED has this legacy of over exaggeration as it seems to hold so many people hostile to it.

And we think we are progressive in our thinking...

Yak yak yak whiteberrywidow!!!!

Posting the video was not a referral to me thinking that was a great set up, I was giving him the chance to see a large scale LED grow.

You have many doubts but you clearly never bother to investigate, how do I know this? because you are a sceptic. To correct you, the power draw is 252W. But how would you know that!

How does pointing at Hobbes and his 2.5g per watt got anything to do with it, he is a great grower probably and the light has less to do with the outcome than the other factors but again how would you know that. Show me any other growers producing that then again try to tell me it's relevant.

As for penetration, yak yak yak....you vomit cliche's out oblivious to the huge acceleration in forward technology.

Yak yak yak.

This just proves ignorant..
The reason i posted hobbes 2.5 grams a watt from a 600 is plain and simple.Ive yet to see any led do this.

I know the power draw is 252 thats why i said 252 instead of what it initially is.You keep thinking you are proving points when it all goes in a circle..lmao..Mr know it all...

So if you have facts ill be glad to hear but if you want post bullshit like your last post just keep my name Wyteberrywidow out your mouth because im done arguing with lames..

 

[newworldicon]

This just proves ignorant..
The reason i posted hobbes 2.5 grams a watt from a 600 is plain and simple.Ive yet to see any led do this.

Nor anyone else, HID or LED so what exactly was your point?

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Well you can do your own legwork but ive seen a pound from a 400 watt hps.I ve seen very impressive grows here and other sites.As many as1 gram per watt to 2.5 grams a watt..
I also see buds that look like tops from the bottom of the plant from hid onlly everything under tops from leds looks like a a 25 cent bag of popcorn.

 

[newworldicon]

I certainly do not want to do your legwork but ive seen a pound from a 400 watt hps

Stop drifting, it went from Hobbes and his 2.5g to a pound off a 400. I have seen the effectiveness from HID in countless grows including my own but I have also seen people get 1-1.5g per watt off LED. I have never shirked away from the fact that you would need big powerful panels but I don't find them expensive, they will probably give you less but taking all else into consideration it is well worth it.

I think we both know in a very short time you will be eating your words, it takes a brave man to try new things, the sheep can sit and watch on the side lines.