Michigan Growers Tell Your Plans for This Year

Klo$etBreeder

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thought this was interesting as well

Vitamins
In Grow Store 101 we discussed the “short list” of vitamins and minerals that humans need to survive, and I compared this to the “short list” of micro- and macronutrients that plants need. So what about vitamins for plants? You might already be aware that vitamin products exist, but without knowing what they have been found to do, you will not necessarily be able to maximize their potential benefits. It is not necessarily as easy as picking a “vitamin product” off the grow store shelf and calling it a do-all vitamin supplement. Various vitamin compounds have been shown to induce different plant responses, and we will soon see that “plant vitamin science” is still, more or less, a work in progress.

Vitamin B (Thiamine): The most common vitamin type found in hydroponics products, vitamin B is an ingredient within various supplements designed to increase root growth, as well as to reduce plant stress and transplant shock. Vitamin B is one of the most confidently used vitamins in the hydroponics industry, so a grower may be amazed to learn that a University of Colorado State publication has effectively attempted to debunk what it calls a “gardening myth.”

As it goes, back in the 1930s there was a study done by James Bonner on isolated pea roots cut from their growing medium. The roots were placed in culture with thiamine present and such a dramatic response was observed that Bonner concluded that thiamine was “essential to the growth of pea root.” What Robert Cox points out in his brief debunk sheet was that thiamine is normally produced in the leaves of the plant and transported to the root. In the absence of a plant system, where the roots have been removed, they will respond and continue to grow with exogenous applications of thiamine. In normal circumstances, he concludes, where vitamin B has been tested on intact production crops such as corn, tomatoes, beans, pepper, and watermelon, among others; there is no evidence it provides any type of growth response. Researchers at the University of California concluded the same, noting there was “no discernible differences in color or vigor among treatments.”

Vitamin C: Lets look at a vitamin that most people have never even imagined giving to a plant. If you do not recall ever reading vitamin C as an ingredient on any bottle of plant food or supplements, you are not alone. Yet, lo and behold, not only have researchers found that plants respond to vitamin C, they even go so far as claiming it is essential for plant growth! Now, before you get too excited, let’s first note that the scientists at Britain’s University of Exeter are not endorsing pipe dreams—they are not saying feed your plants vitamin C, but they are stating that plants contain gene coding for the production of an enzyme called ‘GDP-L-galactose phosphorylase’ that endogenously produces vitamin C at particular stages of a plant’s growth.

So is there any reason to seek a plant vitamin supplement that contains vitamin C? Some researchers at the University of California may think so, since they have reported an increase of photosynthetic response as well as production of various bio-chemicals when a plant’s enzymes, called dehydroascorbate reductase, were manipulated to create higher concentrations of vitamin C in leaves. If manipulating plant enzymes is not your thing, Synnöve v. Hausen published a study in Nature showing that 40 mg of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) added to a sterile liquid growing medium increased the dry weight of the treated plants over that of the control plants by 35–75%.

Vitamin D: Another vitamin that is synthesized naturally within plants, vitamin D has been shown to produce growth responses in plants, promote adventitious root growth, and is a critical player in the absorption of Calcium to plant stems. Compared in function to the rooting hormones IBA and NAA, Buchala and Shmid published a paper in July 1979 suggesting vitamin D and its analogs should be a new class of growth simulators affecting root development.
 

hic

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well first off, i got 5 packs of reg beans. a b c d e. then i got the pack of fems. yes you also gave a list of the fems.

i am vegging all 6 fems. i also am germing the a,d,e.

why cant you believe you gave up a bk?

Well thats dam good to hear - crack em all and when you are done. I will have plenty more for you if you wish.
 

Klo$etBreeder

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Nice ideology... It sounds great to do do that but I need to learn a lot more before I'm ready to go all organic. I'm starting to use some of the beneficial microbes and bacteria with great results, but it takes time to take it all in.

Thanks for the welcome!
well do realize that most nute ompany's trick you into thinking you need microbes with chemical ferts, but in reality chelated salts kill most of the bacteria microbes and fungi in your soil, thats why advanced nutes says to add them in every week you add them and then they die.

hic- wheres the bubba from? is it a greenthumb bean? if so thats the original kastu cut that can go purple, bubba kush is a decendent from chemdawg, along wit og, sour d, all of that side of the world, bubba is a great plant geneticly speaking.
 

hic

Well-Known Member
thought this was interesting as well

Vitamins
In Grow Store 101 we discussed the “short list” of vitamins and minerals that humans need to survive, and I compared this to the “short list” of micro- and macronutrients that plants need. So what about vitamins for plants? You might already be aware that vitamin products exist, but without knowing what they have been found to do, you will not necessarily be able to maximize their potential benefits. It is not necessarily as easy as picking a “vitamin product” off the grow store shelf and calling it a do-all vitamin supplement. Various vitamin compounds have been shown to induce different plant responses, and we will soon see that “plant vitamin science” is still, more or less, a work in progress.

Vitamin B (Thiamine): The most common vitamin type found in hydroponics products, vitamin B is an ingredient within various supplements designed to increase root growth, as well as to reduce plant stress and transplant shock. Vitamin B is one of the most confidently used vitamins in the hydroponics industry, so a grower may be amazed to learn that a University of Colorado State publication has effectively attempted to debunk what it calls a “gardening myth.”

As it goes, back in the 1930s there was a study done by James Bonner on isolated pea roots cut from their growing medium. The roots were placed in culture with thiamine present and such a dramatic response was observed that Bonner concluded that thiamine was “essential to the growth of pea root.” What Robert Cox points out in his brief debunk sheet was that thiamine is normally produced in the leaves of the plant and transported to the root. In the absence of a plant system, where the roots have been removed, they will respond and continue to grow with exogenous applications of thiamine. In normal circumstances, he concludes, where vitamin B has been tested on intact production crops such as corn, tomatoes, beans, pepper, and watermelon, among others; there is no evidence it provides any type of growth response. Researchers at the University of California concluded the same, noting there was “no discernible differences in color or vigor among treatments.”

Vitamin C: Lets look at a vitamin that most people have never even imagined giving to a plant. If you do not recall ever reading vitamin C as an ingredient on any bottle of plant food or supplements, you are not alone. Yet, lo and behold, not only have researchers found that plants respond to vitamin C, they even go so far as claiming it is essential for plant growth! Now, before you get too excited, let’s first note that the scientists at Britain’s University of Exeter are not endorsing pipe dreams—they are not saying feed your plants vitamin C, but they are stating that plants contain gene coding for the production of an enzyme called ‘GDP-L-galactose phosphorylase’ that endogenously produces vitamin C at particular stages of a plant’s growth.

So is there any reason to seek a plant vitamin supplement that contains vitamin C? Some researchers at the University of California may think so, since they have reported an increase of photosynthetic response as well as production of various bio-chemicals when a plant’s enzymes, called dehydroascorbate reductase, were manipulated to create higher concentrations of vitamin C in leaves. If manipulating plant enzymes is not your thing, Synnöve v. Hausen published a study in Nature showing that 40 mg of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) added to a sterile liquid growing medium increased the dry weight of the treated plants over that of the control plants by 35–75%.

Vitamin D: Another vitamin that is synthesized naturally within plants, vitamin D has been shown to produce growth responses in plants, promote adventitious root growth, and is a critical player in the absorption of Calcium to plant stems. Compared in function to the rooting hormones IBA and NAA, Buchala and Shmid published a paper in July 1979 suggesting vitamin D and its analogs should be a new class of growth simulators affecting root development.


Yes KB new info... ahh it feels so good to read that post. You are feeding the machine with your outta the box talk and now you are very invited to hang out someday - thanks KB for being on the mature path of information for very few things on this RIU have the ability to stimulate me but you just did with information pertaining to life and not the tweaks - thanks dude for that read I only hope you continue your work and share your knowledge and time with us all.
 

dankshizzle

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Finally decided to go with a nextgen 1000 watter. Gonna buy another one when I can afford it right now im using the off brand lumatek with it to make 2000 watts. Its quiet as fuck and and runs efficient and cold. Plus it looks sick the way it floats on the wall...

im selling a 1000 watt digital ballast and a sunsystem classic hood.. if anybody is interested.. id like 250 for it
 

Klo$etBreeder

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hic - that is wat forums should be all about, along with dog'n on each other lol.

so long as I have somthing new to tell, i will post it in this forum, I really only post in this thread, i lurk across others check out a few things and maybe throw my 2 cents in but for the most part if im not growing the same, could really help a newbie, out or point out somthing that others are not noticing I keep my peace.

this tho I found to be really interesting due to most nutrient companys pushing B vitamins, like advanced nutes B-52, and technaflora thrivealive, which even kyle kushman pushes to use in his veganic grow style.

shit like this makes you wonder where these nute companys get their info, all the more reason I feel the need for 100% self sustained organic DIY nutes are in order, I already have a small compost pile and plan to start worm bins/beds soon.

here is some more good info I found interesting and where I found the vitamin infojust scroll down until you see the words in green..

http://urbangardenmagazine.com/issues/issue-14/
 

dankshizzle

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If they wernt so f'n much id have a fleet of em. Im impressed with it... with the 155000 lumen digilux bulb that mofo is bright.. I can get u one for 300 out the door. With a store to use ur warranty at. Anything in the C.A.P. catalog I get hooked up on. If you knew how much they mark that shit up from wholesale id make you sick...
 

Klo$etBreeder

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dank find a grow shop outside of the city you'll notice prices drop even on better bud detroit still has 4800$ lb's here you can find good stuff for 3000..and the quality im sure is better than what they got in the city, shit all hyped up down there, might go drop some that way..id just have to carry m .45 and my 12 gauge..
 

TheRachShow

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Kloset, it's not that bad down here with prices. When I first got my med card I started calling this delivery service called AntFarm, which was 60 an 8th and 115 a qtr when i first started going to them, now it's anywhere from 50-65 an 8th and 90-125 a qtr. Needless to say i've been going thru them for awhile now, and I have been talking to the owner, Anthony, since they first started doing delivery using just regular sandwich baggies hah, and him and I were talking about me maybe being a rep for the eastside, and start delivering medicene in the East Macomb County area like eastpointe, st clair shores, roseville, and grosse pointe to name a few. Prices from him for weight, is anywhere from 3,100 - 3750 depending on quality. He has had some decent stuff, he's been getting bigger lately, getting shipments from cali, but also had some indoor stuff too. They also have there own clinic for 200 for doctor referals for anyone WITHOUT RECORDS and is legit, and 150 for renewal, but rzza said he found a place that does it for 50 which is not bad either. Basically, not everything down in the city is pricey. But before I can do all that, I still gotta move outta my ma's basement ahaha, but things will change when I can take on patients once i'm 21. (:
 

Shwagbag

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Thanks again for making me feel welcome everyone!

Hic-I am not versed in teas, but I'm looking to gain some knowledge before spring. I figured there would be some avid tea makers here since Michigan has many outdoor enthusiasts. I see some pics of some outdoor plants in some avatars and I know some of these guys have some nasty tea concoctions :D

What's the deal with those nexgens? 155k lumens eh? What kind of distance from plant tops with what kind of hoods? Do you think it puts more lumens to plant tops in a single bulb setup than a 600? I have considered 1000w bulbs but after much research I decided my 600 was probably still the best for me since I can get the most lumens out of it. Thanks for input.

SB
 

dankshizzle

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Why would I drive to detroit to go to a grow shop other than HTG? My friend owns scotts indoor gardening center in columbiaville. Anyone else sick of how arrogant this guy is? He seems cool in one post, then acts like his shit don't stink in another...
all in all im just trying to help..
Digilux bbulbin an XXXtreme 6" air cooled hood with a 1000 nextgen powering it. Was gonna get the 600/400 but he said he'd gimme the 1000 for 50 bucks more instead of 150...
 

dankshizzle

Glassblowing Moderator
All the shops ii go to price from the catalog... thanks for the info on city prices. Im sorry my smoke is dirt and so expensive. I hope to one day get to your level closet
 

firelane

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Shwagbag, do you mean weed tea? Or like teas to water your plants with? To make weed tea you have to add something to it that the thc can absorb into. THC isn't water soluble so if you make it with just weed and water it'll be weak. You have to cook it with either milk or alcohol or I guess butter, but that may taste weird. I've been to Amsterdam several times and Jamaica a couple and never really seen weed tea. Also of all of my pothead friends no one really drinks weed tea. If it worked really good, more people would be doing it.

If you are asking about tea concoctions for feeding your plant, I don't know much about them, but have heard they are great for organic feeding.
 

dankshizzle

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If we can make an order that reaches 5000$ I can get it all wholesale. I got the wholesale catalogs they just require a large first order... I got 2500 from people around here just need another 2500 to get it... we need to do a group upgrade after outdoor dries up
 

TheRachShow

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Why would I drive to detroit to go to a grow shop other than HTG? My friend owns scotts indoor gardening center in columbiaville. Anyone else sick of how arrogant this guy is? He seems cool in one post, then acts like his shit don't stink in another...
all in all im just trying to help..
Are you talking about me?
 

Shwagbag

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Shwagbag, do you mean weed tea? Or like teas to water your plants with? To make weed tea you have to add something to it that the thc can absorb into. THC isn't water soluble so if you make it with just weed and water it'll be weak. You have to cook it with either milk or alcohol or I guess butter, but that may taste weird. I've been to Amsterdam several times and Jamaica a couple and never really seen weed tea. Also of all of my pothead friends no one really drinks weed tea. If it worked really good, more people would be doing it.

If you are asking about tea concoctions for feeding your plant, I don't know much about them, but have heard they are great for organic feeding.
Thanks for the reply,

I was referring to organic teas for outdoor growing. I haven't had the tea and I don't want to lol. I am considering a small batch of ISO hash and some tinctures with Everclear soon though. I have all the ingredients, just need to set aside some time to play with it.
 

Shwagbag

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Why would I drive to detroit to go to a grow shop other than HTG? My friend owns scotts indoor gardening center in columbiaville. Anyone else sick of how arrogant this guy is? He seems cool in one post, then acts like his shit don't stink in another...
all in all im just trying to help..
Digilux bbulbin an XXXtreme 6" air cooled hood with a 1000 nextgen powering it. Was gonna get the 600/400 but he said he'd gimme the 1000 for 50 bucks more instead of 150...
How close do you run this to your plant tops with your setup? I've been considering a 1000w for my single bulb grow.
 
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