20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

[TheLastWood]

Wood, Good eye on the business buzz words (exclusive...). Most dispenaries are becoming pretty cutt-throat with their vendors, and, to some degree, their patients. I truly appreciate you realizing that we get our meds out there to people who really need them for free. Little do these dispensaries know, that a portion of what they pay us goes towards us donating meds to terminal patients. Jokes on them. But seriously, this industry is moving in a profit driven direction, totally primed for BIG BUSINESS to come in and do their thing to our thing. It's just a matter of time. All we can do is guard our genetics with our lives. "No live plant leaves the grow" is our motto. I hate to say it, but I liked it better when you had to know someone to get your hands on good genetics. It's still like that for the "special" stuff, but great strains are way too available. Upon full legalization there's nothing to stop Big Business from shitting all over us.

My state is struggling with mmj laws. Although recently passed they still treat even patients like criminals. thanks to dispensary owners pretty much making the laws, they have practically COMPLRTELY cut out caregivers and collective growers. Squashing any hopes I had of starting a legal grow, nothing on your scale, but I at least wanted to be able to grow legally and provide for a few patients. But now ppl are forced to buy from a dispensary and dispensarys have to grow 70% or more of there own meds. Unless I get a job for them it is highly unlikely ill be staring a legal grow.

Doesn't mean I'm giving up hope. Still trying to start a legal grow... the laws have ended up fucking us over.

 

[collective gardener]

how are the flowers over there collective? pumping out the resin i hope?

11 plants are 20 days from harvest and super sticky. Although the tops are great, the buds about 6" down have the most resin. They're all just starting to really swell up. I love this Bubba because although the buds are small, they are extremely dense, not losing much size in drying.

I just want them to get done so I can put my 20 Lavanders into bloom. The one test Lavander in bloom is showing signs of being a real world class yielder for a top shelf product.

 

[collective gardener]

i wanna see 20k watt buds too!!!!

Right now I can only show you 17,200 watt buds. I just ordered a couple more air cooled hoods for my last 2 ballasts hanging on the wall, all powered up and waiting for something to cook. We'll then max out with 19,200 watts. Should I change the thread title?

 

[collective gardener]

My state is struggling with mmj laws. Although recently passed they still treat even patients like criminals. thanks to dispensary owners pretty much making the laws, they have practically COMPLRTELY cut out caregivers and collective growers. Squashing any hopes I had of starting a legal grow, nothing on your scale, but I at least wanted to be able to grow legally and provide for a few patients. But now ppl are forced to buy from a dispensary and dispensarys have to grow 70% or more of there own meds. Unless I get a job for them it is highly unlikely ill be staring a legal grow.

Doesn't mean I'm giving up hope. Still trying to start a legal grow... the laws have ended up fucking us over.

Sounds like Colorado, eh? Can you grow the other 30% that the collectives can outsource? What is the main road block to starting a dispensary? Money? Are there any permits left? I read that soon you guys will have cameras watching the meds from seed to sale. Won't that be fun. I totally feel for you. I read an interview with a Colo dispensary owner who says there should just be 7 dispensaries...his being one of them, of course. Sounds like the little guys got cut out before it even started. All they are doing is driving you growers back into the black market. I'm sure the folks out in Chicago would love to pay dearly for some of your meds.

 

[watchm3spec]

We'll then max out with 19,200 watts. Should I change the thread title?

Nawww 20,000 sounds so much better

 

[collective gardener]

It will be like the monsanto of MMJ. I like to believe that this plant of ours is one of those few things that has to be too high quality for mass production, at least in the med community. Although there is the old saying if you throw enough money at a problem it can be overcome. Yes, I am definitly being naive haha

I've been clinging to that argument myself. It is hard to grow top grade on a mass scale. Also, a grower who is passionate about his crop will be able to produce far better meds than some employee...regardless of what he/she gets paid. You just can't compete with true passion and a love for the plant.

My lawyer thinks that right now Monsanto is gathering all of the Landrace strains in an effort to copyright them (and all of their offspring...meaning everything) when the laws alow them to do so. Basically, the day the law changes, Monsanto is first in line at the copyright office with a stack of papers making every single marijuana strain in existance legally theirs alone. They could even be holding up legalization until they have everything wrapped up tight. Anyone who thinks that's impossible should think about what can be done with tens of billions of dollars per year.

All that has to happen for nationwide legalization is for the DEA to re-classify pot as a schedule 3 drug. Poof...pot becomes as legal as aspirin. The only reason that it's illegal now is because Big Business wants it that way...for now. I believe the medical marijuana laws are a kind of "market test" for the big boys. They can sit back and let the market establish an average unit price, gross sales, and annual growth. Call me paranoid, but this little thing we got going on here is about to get shit all over. I believe there will still be a place for some of us. But, we're going to have to fight for it.

 

[Harrekin]

I dont think plant genotypes can be copyrighted or patented, thats why MJ is illegal, its actually impossible for them to make a profit off it cos its impossible to patent.

Either way, the day the genetic structure of a plant gets patented (without some serious gene splicing being done to make it an entirely new type of plant) is the day we need to revolt...humans shouldnt be able to package and patent everything on the planet, we're the stewards of this planet, not its owners.

EDIT: I dont really think MJ is suited to big business anyways, I think when its eventually legalised it'll be the highest quality from small growers and standard regs from big business if they want a piece of the pie.

 

[CallmeTex]

I dont think plant genotypes can be copyrighted or patented, thats why MJ is illegal, its actually impossible for them to make a profit off it cos its impossible to patent.

Either way, the day the genetic structure of a plant gets patented (without some serious gene splicing being done to make it an entirely new type of plant) is the day we need to revolt...humans shouldnt be able to package and patent everything on the planet, we're the stewards of this planet, not its owners.

EDIT: I dont really think MJ is suited to big business anyways, I think when its eventually legalised it'll be the highest quality from small growers and standard regs from big business if they want a piece of the pie.

People don't realize it but Mosanto has been patenting a few plants with their RoundUp ready formula. Corn, alfalfa, cotton, and a bunch of others. A good documentary that showcases just how fucked up Monsanto is, Food Inc. I recommend everyone watch it. I totally agree with you Harrekin, whenever shit gets bad enough there will be a revolution.

And yea, Fuck Monsanto!

 

[Wolverine97]

People don't realize it but Mosanto has been patenting a few plants with their RoundUp ready formula. Corn, alfalfa, cotton, and a bunch of others. A good documentary that showcases just how fucked up Monsanto is, Food Inc. I recommend everyone watch it. I totally agree with you Harrekin, whenever shit gets bad enough there will be a revolution.

And yea, Fuck Monsanto!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-ouf_gmA5o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL1pKlnhvg0&feature=related

 

[TheLastWood]

Sounds like Colorado, eh? Can you grow the other 30% that the collectives can outsource? What is the main road block to starting a dispensary? Money? Are there any permits left? I read that soon you guys will have cameras watching the meds from seed to sale. Won't that be fun. I totally feel for you. I read an interview with a Colo dispensary owner who says there should just be 7 dispensaries...his being one of them, of course. Sounds like the little guys got cut out before it even started. All they are doing is driving you growers back into the black market. I'm sure the folks out in Chicago would love to pay dearly for some of your meds.

Not colorado. Actually not even legal here till april 1 and the dispensaries have already locked it up. With only 126 dispensaries allowed ppl have been fighting for the spots. I'm assuming the will buy the other 30% from cali seeing as it will still be illegal for anyone to grow. See they have them strategically placed divided up into sections, then changed the original law passed to say "no one within 25 miles of a dispensary is allowed to grow there own". Oh yeah, the other change they made, a 300% sales tax. So patients are forced to pay it. I'm so fucking pissed. Only hope is moving to the outskirts, but seeing as there strategically placed they pretty much locked up the whole state.
Its like "ok we will recognise its medicinal value, and let it be used by patients, but only "some people with a lot of money and lawyers" can grow it and "we have to really chrage the fuck out of those sick criminals and make it damn near impossible to produce"

What about xanax, oxycontin, valium, percocet, oh wait, let's mention some OVER THE COUNTER meds that can get yu waaaaaaaaaay more intoxicated like CORISEDAN (spl?), DELSYM, and all the other COUGH MEDS……?

Ppl don't rly understand the true med value and think its just a ruese to pass mj. Norml and MMP are doing a great job fighting for us in the white house, but they need to take this shit to the streets, have some peaceful PUBLIC seminars where ppl can't help but hear and get news coverage(think they'd try covering it up actually) and use some of the money we all donate to buy some fucking national airtime, get some real patients on there to tell how they are persecuted and explain the TRUTH about mmj.

The only way to beat the dea is not by ppl getting paid millions by companies with alterior motives to suddenly open there eyes. It will never happen, they have no hearts. Public awareness, millions and millions of citizens saying omg I had no idea mmj literally keeps ppl alive is whaats gonna get shit done.

 

[Stoner.Barbie]

thats so true TLW. we need to educate the public. its unbelievable that so many people still believe reefer madness.

 

[TheLastWood]

Even where its legal patients and growers are being prosecuted. Even ppl that don't agree woth mmj will hopefully have enough respect for the democratic process to realise "hey if this law was passed, then ppl voted for it and the federal govt shouldn't be sidestepping around the very process which our country is built upon" but unfortunately when a dispensary is illegally raided, the only ones who rly hear about it is us .

EDIT sorry gardener ill shutup now, I just get so worked up

 

[docrock]

First off, where are you located. Other questions. Have you looked into inductive lighting? If not would you have any intrest or need in trying out a 50W inductive light. Equivilant to 90 LED and 200 to 300 Wat HPS/MH. If you could use one I would donate it to cause. All I would ask is an honest report on how it works. I have an assortment ordered and other than factory specs, which look good of course, I don't have any first hand knowledge of how they work. Let me know.

 

[NorthernLights#5]

Not colorado. Actually not even legal here till april 1 and the dispensaries have already locked it up. With only 126 dispensaries allowed ppl have been fighting for the spots. I'm assuming the will buy the other 30% from cali seeing as it will still be illegal for anyone to grow. See they have them strategically placed divided up into sections, then changed the original law passed to say "no one within 25 miles of a dispensary is allowed to grow there own". Oh yeah, the other change they made, a 300% sales tax. So patients are forced to pay it. I'm so fucking pissed. Only hope is moving to the outskirts, but seeing as there strategically placed they pretty much locked up the whole state.
Its like "ok we will recognise its medicinal value, and let it be used by patients, but only "some people with a lot of money and lawyers" can grow it and "we have to really chrage the fuck out of those sick criminals and make it damn near impossible to produce"

What about xanax, oxycontin, valium, percocet, oh wait, let's mention some OVER THE COUNTER meds that can get yu waaaaaaaaaay more intoxicated like CORISEDAN (spl?), DELSYM, and all the other COUGH MEDS……?

Ppl don't rly understand the true med value and think its just a ruese to pass mj. Norml and MMP are doing a great job fighting for us in the white house, but they need to take this shit to the streets, have some peaceful PUBLIC seminars where ppl can't help but hear and get news coverage(think they'd try covering it up actually) and use some of the money we all donate to buy some fucking national airtime, get some real patients on there to tell how they are persecuted and explain the TRUTH about mmj.

The only way to beat the dea is not by ppl getting paid millions by companies with alterior motives to suddenly open there eyes. It will never happen, they have no hearts. Public awareness, millions and millions of citizens saying omg I had no idea mmj literally keeps ppl alive is whaats gonna get shit done.

Ok so if not Colorado were?

 

[NorthernLights#5]

collective I saw that you use the blockbuster hood from sunlight, have you looked into the Magnum XXXL 6" or 8"? I think they may give you a bigger foot print of light ( its what i use in flower)

 

[collective gardener]

On the big business subject, I believe we should look at the California Wine Model. There are 100's of small winery's, each putting out a world calss product. Big business cannot get a foothold. It's not for lack of trying.

Wood...never shut up. Scream at the top of your lungs. I'll be the one holding the bullhorn to your mouth.

 

[collective gardener]

collective I saw that you use the blockbuster hood from sunlight, have you looked into the Magnum XXXL 6" or 8"? I think they may give you a bigger foot print of light ( its what i use in flower)

I did some extensive light testing with a meter connected to my PC. The larger reflectors (Raptor, XXL, etc...) work well for a wide footprint, but the overall amount of light that hits the area is actually less than a smaller reflector. The best reflector for light spread with very little total loss on the target area is the Adjust a Wing. If I were growing SOG or a small plant SCROG, and needed air cooling, I would use 600watt Raptors basically touching eachother. With large plants, I like the CAP air cooled for penetration using 1000's. When and if I ever install a 4 ton split AC, I'll probably go 100% Adjust a Wings with 1000's. Anyone who hasn't tried one really should go for it. Years ago, I flowered a 6' x 6' space with one in a SCROG and got 4lbs. Of course, there were quite a few plants. More than I have now in a 200 sq ft space.

 

[collective gardener]

First off, where are you located. Other questions. Have you looked into inductive lighting? If not would you have any intrest or need in trying out a 50W inductive light. Equivilant to 90 LED and 200 to 300 Wat HPS/MH. If you could use one I would donate it to cause. All I would ask is an honest report on how it works. I have an assortment ordered and other than factory specs, which look good of course, I don't have any first hand knowledge of how they work. Let me know.

I may be interested. Can you direct us to a website showing the light. Does the light come with a tracking device? Just me being paranoid of a 7 post guy wanting to give stuff away. I apologize, but i'm just paranoid.

 

[mellokitty]

I dont think plant genotypes can be copyrighted or patented

Food Inc is a must-see if you actually believe ^this. also: The Future of Food. ironically enough, it is the prohibition of cannabis that is preventing this, and i would bet you our next crop that the by the time they change *that particular law monsanto is going to have fucking DIBS on the patents to all the landrace strains. the word "should" doesn't apply human stewardship as far as how corporations like monsanto are commodifying life itself, apparently.

it's already happening - a lot of californians seem to be hailing the weed superstore in sacramento as the 'wal-mart of weed', i don't think that's a complimentary or desirable description AT ALL, in fact, that in itself makes me want to boycott it (not that i've ever been to cali anyway)....

 

[SCCA]

On the big business subject, I believe we should look at the California Wine Model. There are 100's of small winery's, each putting out a world calss product. Big business cannot get a foothold. It's not for lack of trying.

you hit it right on the head, gardener. there will always be the Gallos and Kendall Jacksons of the cannabis industry. they will supply the folks that just want some smoke for after work and weekends. but there will definitely be a market for the high quality, hand trimmed buds. it will come down to acquiring and developing unique, potent strains and never letting anyone have a live plant. Unique hash is going to be an other market where small growers can make a good living.