Pricing from each perspective - time to get real - can't we all just get abong?

deprave

New Member
So one of the main issues people disagree on with these forums is pricing of the medicine. I am going to try my best to clear up the misconceptions that are common in these forums and summarize the arguments on all sides and I invite you to participate.

Dispensaries

The first thing I want to talk about is dispensaries, a common complaint on these forums is Dispensaries charge too much!
Is it expensive? Yes.
Would I personally be able to afford it? No. I would be forced to use the other 4 options to obtain my meds (CG, Compassion Club, Grow myself, or Verbal(street).)
but is it usually fair? Yes it is usually is a relatively fair deal, if you have ever run a retail business in this economy or know someone who does the first thing they are going to tell you is that you must double up what you spend at the least in order to make it. This is the number one important rule of retail its to double up! Caregivers are likely not often going to donate their overages on such a high demand product for much less than half of the value because at this point you start causing them a major loss.


Caregivers

Another heavily debated topic is the pricing caregivers use this one is a lot more complicated then dispensaries. Personally I give my patients their meds at the same cost it is to me, they get rid of about half of it and make their money back.

I understand some people actually give their meds away for free or claim they do and then they parade around these forums basically attacking anyone who doesn't do the same. It is nice that you can afford to do such a nice gesture but unless you are so wealthy that you can spend all this time and money growing at a cost to you I see this as very ignorant and I think others do also. If your a low cost/size operation just growing for one or two patients then whatever with one, two, or even three patients its very easy to provide everyone with tons of meds of next to nothing, Id probably give my meds for free also if this was my scenario but it really doesn't give you the right to criticize people who actually take growing seriously and have many patients to take care of as its completely different. Please understand when you get up to 4 and 5 patients it becomes a huge ring of people that are linked to you, your uttility bill soars up to the 4 digits approaching 5, you have to start hiring help to trim or do whatever...it gets expensive like running any other business.

I think this negativity is very bad for the community especially for new growers with aspirations you give them the impression that they are going to be able to give away free meds and everything is going to be fine and dandy when that is simply not the case in the vast majority of scenarios. Indoor Marijuana growing is not the huge money making machine people make it out to be, growing indoors is more of a hobbyist venture if anything.

On that note I want to put emphasis on some other ways people are negatively impacting the forums here with the debates on pricing. It seems to be that if for example someone has a small or even a large operation and they know their cost and output they often times seem to overlook the fact that the cost of different operations can vary greatly, as an example if someone has a 12 plant grow under a 1000W light they just assume that anyone with a 24 plant grow under a light or two automatically means that person has double the output and sometimes they go as far to even assume that the person has double the output at the same cost. If you got one pretty plant under your 400W MH in your closet that netted you a QP it doesnt mean that someone with 12 plants under a 1,000 watt is going to get 12 QPs, It just doesn't work like that as it is a lot more complicated than that folks, think before you make judgments like this!

Moral of the story: if you want cheaper indoors you gotta grow it yourself because the price is not going to change anytime soon.
Moral of the story#2: Dont Judge others without knowing all the details, it really is none of your beeze-wax.
to be continued...maybe..
 
ya dont continue..

If you are a caregiver and dont add in the cost of your overhead and price that way, you are losing money and a poor caregiver, as you will be out of business in no time.
 

rzza

Well-Known Member
i stopped offering free meds january first and two patients said they were gonna find a caregiver with free meds and neither one has left yet. why? gee i wonder...

its all bullshit. i want to see a patient chime in, not caregivers who give away meds. i wanna hear from a patient who gets the free meds and i would like to see the product that they get free. also, how long has this lasted so far? lol we always hear from the great caregivers of michigan that help out the patients but where are the patients? speak up guys.

also, stop calling them "your plants" or "the patients plants, because they are not. they belong to the caregiver and never does any patient have the right to take their plants, unless its written in a signed contract which if your a cg and you wrote that in then your extremely dumb.
 

rzza

Well-Known Member
with that said, you can offer the free meds, thats great. but we are not obligated to do this and unless the cg has good money and can afford to run an op with overhead and not get compensated, it just wont work out. so, set your own rules. free meds, cheap meds, dispensary priced ...whatever. just stop saying what cg "should" do.
 

rzza

Well-Known Member
i wouldnt have ever replied to this topic had i not recently taken a dose of jack3d:)
 

guy incognito

Well-Known Member
your uttility bill soars up to the 4 digits approaching 5, you have to start hiring help to trim or do whatever...it gets expensive like running any other business.
Bullshit. No ones utility bill has even been close to approaching 5 digits. I could not hit a 4 digit bill and still remain legal if I tried. A 5 digit bill is an illegal commercial operation.
 

Buddy Ganga

Active Member
This is awesome, I was going to start this same type of thread after I replied to you in the other, so thanks.

You guys really need to stop lying about what it cost to be a caregiver.

A 12 week 12 plant grow costs me around or less the $1000 total. About $27 an ounce.
And since I never grow just 12 plants for 12 weeks that numbers is actually really high.

Then again maybe it's the difference in what you guys claim to be "overhead" cost.

Pro mix x's 2 $75
Elect 3 months $600
Nutes full line fox farm $160
Co2 refills x's 5 $150

and do I really need to point out that thats more soil, nutes and co2 then anyone would need for 12 plants over 12 weeks ?
Or that thats not including the 15 and 20% discount any card holder gets at supply shops ?

At least 12 plants harvested ever 30 days averaging 3+ oz's per plant = 36 oz's
Overages sell for anywhere from $250 to $300 for quality meds at any dispensary.

1 1/2 oz's no cost meds per month for 3 patients and then 1 1/2 for myself leave me on average 30 oz's per month.

Low end thats right about $7,500 per month "compensation" for growing "their" plants.

But lets not forget all the hash, butters and tinctures that come from the cutting and trim, and I'm over $9,000 a month.
Take away "my" over head and that leaves me with at least $8,000 a month only growing harvesting "12" plants. (but what caregiver does that?)

Did I leave out square footage tent rental or a % of my mortgage ?
A new tent for every grow or the cost to fly a specialist in from Holland every other week ?


So please please tell me how it could possibly break you to give no cost meds to your patients in return for all the overages you get to keep !
And I'd love to know how in the hell it could cost $100 to $180 an oz to grow.

Either you have a problem with math, growing or honesty, so which is it?


Sorry to let the cat/truth out of the bag for any potential victims I mean patients that may read this.

This is what my patients have bought me by letting me grow their plants.
truck'n charger 005.jpg
But no cost meds will break you? LMAO!
 

rzza

Well-Known Member
your selling the meds to people who arent your patients. thats not legal. so to stay legal and be a caregiver you have to either pay the bills or they have to. that is the bottom line here.

oh that and you look like a fool in your pic.
 

rzza

Well-Known Member
This is awesome, I was going to start this same type of thread after I replied to you in the other, so thanks.

You guys really need to stop lying about what it cost to be a caregiver.

A 12 week 12 plant grow costs me around or less the $1000 total. About $27 an ounce.
And since I never grow just 12 plants for 12 weeks that numbers is actually really high.

Then again maybe it's the difference in what you guys claim to be "overhead" cost.

Pro mix x's 2 $75
Elect 3 months $600
Nutes full line fox farm $160
Co2 refills x's 5 $150

and do I really need to point out that thats more soil, nutes and co2 then anyone would need for 12 plants over 12 weeks ?
Or that thats not including the 15 and 20% discount any card holder gets at supply shops ?

At least 12 plants harvested ever 30 days averaging 3+ oz's per plant = 36 oz's
Overages sell for anywhere from $250 to $300 for quality meds at any dispensary.

1 1/2 oz's no cost meds per month for 3 patients and then 1 1/2 for myself leave me on average 30 oz's per month.

Low end thats right about $7,500 per month "compensation" for growing "their" plants.

But lets not forget all the hash, butters and tinctures that come from the cutting and trim, and I'm over $9,000 a month.
Take away "my" over head and that leaves me with at least $8,000 a month only growing harvesting "12" plants. (but what caregiver does that?)

Did I leave out square footage tent rental or a % of my mortgage ?
A new tent for every grow or the cost to fly a specialist in from Holland every other week ?


So please please tell me how it could possibly break you to give no cost meds to your patients in return for all the overages you get to keep !
And I'd love to know how in the hell it could cost $100 to $180 an oz to grow.

Either you have a problem with math, growing or honesty, so which is it?


Sorry to let the cat/truth out of the bag for any potential victims I mean patients that may read this.

This is what my patients have bought me by letting me grow their plants.
View attachment 1513540
But no cost meds will break you? LMAO!
i just thought i would quote this before you decide to edit it again.
 

deprave

New Member
So you really didn't get the main message in that everyone's setup and situation is different. Your post is a great example of what inspired me to make this thread.

your bills is the same as everyone else and you get the same results, have the same patients, grow exactly the same in the exact same grow room, and yield exactly the same right? and you fucking make 1500$ a month on hash and butter fucking sign me up for ride, I never made a dime off a leaf.

Couple things also - seems as if you harvest quite early or you grow over your limit in plants - also sounds like to me your electric bill is a lot more generous then mine, I enter a new tier on my electricity making them charge me double for all the power I use, its mind boggling to me how you crank out 36 ounces a month with only a 200$ electric bill. Your also selling your shit for ridiculous high cost illegally apparently? Ya dude if I was a ballin ass street dealer chagrin people 1500$ for leaves my patients would get free weed also trust that bra...and also Id like to know how you fill like 20 5 gallon pots with 2 bails of promix and how do you go thru so many nutes also? And also where do you get a 15% discount at(around here its 10%)?


Really I feel you are bullshitting and Id like to see some actual proof, something besides the pictures you posted of 2.5 ounce plants that you are claiming are 4 - but yeah I am kind of jealous so I guess you won the internet, congrats.

This is awesome, I was going to start this same type of thread after I replied to you in the other, so thanks.

You guys really need to stop lying about what it cost to be a caregiver.

A 12 week 12 plant grow costs me around or less the $1000 total. About $27 an ounce.
And since I never grow just 12 plants for 12 weeks that numbers is actually really high.

Then again maybe it's the difference in what you guys claim to be "overhead" cost.

Pro mix x's 2 $75
Elect 3 months $600
Nutes full line fox farm $160
Co2 refills x's 5 $150

and do I really need to point out that thats more soil, nutes and co2 then anyone would need for 12 plants over 12 weeks ?
Or that thats not including the 15 and 20% discount any card holder gets at supply shops ?

At least 12 plants harvested ever 30 days averaging 3+ oz's per plant = 36 oz's
Overages sell for anywhere from $250 to $300 for quality meds at any dispensary.

1 1/2 oz's no cost meds per month for 3 patients and then 1 1/2 for myself leave me on average 30 oz's per month.

Low end thats right about $7,500 per month "compensation" for growing "their" plants.

But lets not forget all the hash, butters and tinctures that come from the cutting and trim, and I'm over $9,000 a month.
Take away "my" over head and that leaves me with at least $8,000 a month only growing harvesting "12" plants. (but what caregiver does that?)

Did I leave out square footage tent rental or a % of my mortgage ?
A new tent for every grow or the cost to fly a specialist in from Holland every other week ?


So please please tell me how it could possibly break you to give no cost meds to your patients in return for all the overages you get to keep !
And I'd love to know how in the hell it could cost $100 to $180 an oz to grow.

Either you have a problem with math, growing or honesty, so which is it?


Sorry to let the cat/truth out of the bag for any potential victims I mean patients that may read this.

This is what my patients have bought me by letting me grow their plants.
View attachment 1513540
But no cost meds will break you? LMAO!
 

deprave

New Member
Bullshit. No ones utility bill has even been close to approaching 5 digits. I could not hit a 4 digit bill and still remain legal if I tried. A 5 digit bill is an illegal commercial operation.
Another fine example, Just because your cost is so much doesnt mean others are the same, extreme example but I just want to get the point across: what If I used 48 lights and grew 1 plant under each scrog, ...Not that it would take that much to get that high of an electric bill because the more electricity you use the more they charge you in my area its not linear progression.

more practical example: 8 bedroom house with 6 people living there and a 4 light flower room with 1 light veg room, all electric appliances in the house many computers and other electronic devices, easily going to net you 4 digits while being a perfectly legal grow. It does depend on where you live also (another variable)
 

Buddy Ganga

Active Member
So you are not going to explain how it costs you sooooooo much that it would break you to give no cost meds to your patients ?
(I just won $50 bucks on a bet you wouldn't, so thanks again)

And Patient/caregiver to Patient/caregiver tranfers are complelty legal. (Thats what makes dispenceries legal)

So enough with your attempted law breaking lines and insults.

Show your numbers!

And those are 4 oz plants not 3's! Just so's ya know!
 

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deprave

New Member
only patient to patient is legal unless its caregiver to patient unless its his assigned patient....nice 2.5 ounce plant in the first pic - in the second pic looks like about 20-30 ounces for this month not 50 or 60, you got another one of those rooms? Could you please seriously answer some of my questions, I would like to know where to get the 15% discount as I only get 10% among other things.
 

deprave

New Member
So you are not going to explain how it costs you sooooooo much that it would break you to give no cost meds to your patients ?
(I just won $50 bucks on a bet you wouldn't, so thanks again)
Im not going to lay out my private finances on a public internet forum, but yes if I gave them free meds it would then COST me money to grow, I dont sell illegally. My patients do sell to other patients legally so that is why the pay me so their meds end up being free for them its a win win situation for everyone, but what they pay is only the cost it takes me to grow which is documented - hint: its not 200$ not 250$ not 300$ or 400$ - its certainly not 1500$ for some leaves generous charity man with your 1500$ leaves calling other people greedy, I can't get over that.
 

rzza

Well-Known Member
So you are not going to explain how it costs you sooooooo much that it would break you to give no cost meds to your patients ?
(I just won $50 bucks on a bet you wouldn't, so thanks again)

And Patient/caregiver to Patient/caregiver tranfers are complelty legal. (Thats what makes dispenceries legal)

So enough with your attempted law breaking lines and insults.

Show your numbers!

And those are 4 oz plants not 3's! Just so's ya know!
dude it says it clear as day in the law that you need to be a patient of the cg. have you even read our law? or you just spew shit ya heard through the grapevine?




(b) A primary caregiver who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for assisting a qualifying patient to whom he or she is connected through the department's registration process with the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the primary caregiver possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed:

they even changed the way the law was written to NOT say "A" patient, and rather say whats in bold.
 

rzza

Well-Known Member
and god it feels good to own you cause you were soooo cocky showing us those plants that are NOT even special in the slightest LOLOLOL

ya win fiddy on that asshole?
 

Buddy Ganga

Active Member
So more of your bullshit and no numbers..

Big suprise !

You can't get a plant to produce 3 oz's but know what a plant weights from a pic.. But no shit though.

You are showing yourselves to be complete ASSHATS.

Show your numbers !
 

deprave

New Member
So more of your bullshit and no numbers..

Big suprise !

You can't get a plant to produce 3 oz's but know what a plant weights from a pic.. But no shit though.

You are showing yourselves to be complete ASSHATS.

Show your numbers !
Ive grown plants just like that the exact same size and its 2.5 - 3 oz's tops - not 4....I see you only have 2 lights in your flower room - lets assume they are 1,000W lights - that would mean you are getting 4.45 grams per watt - Please share your secrets your probably the best grower on these forums for yield according to your 45 ounces a month you said earlier. Where is your other room at because you only got half of what you said
 

rzza

Well-Known Member
and now im no longer on jack3d so i will politely leave this conversation (ahead).
 
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