Serapis
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I know several old time growers that would disagree with you on that sentiment, especially if this is actually a true Columbian Gold seed.
30ish Yr old Columbian Gold Seed Sprouts. Do I Want it to be a Male or Female?
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dababydroman
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i do that all the time when my plants stretch, works just fine.
Timmahh
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ok Jet, thanx for the info/tips.
i can get some cloneX if i need from a buddy.
i didnt think i wanted to wait that long, but wasnt sure, as this is the first MMJ Grow ive honestly tried to accomplish. heh
so i ll do the transplant this weekend as I originally planned to do, and move it to a 5 or 6 inch pot.
i can get some cloneX if i need from a buddy.
i didnt think i wanted to wait that long, but wasnt sure, as this is the first MMJ Grow ive honestly tried to accomplish. heh
so i ll do the transplant this weekend as I originally planned to do, and move it to a 5 or 6 inch pot.
Brick Top
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Originally Posted by theexpress
lol....... i forsee a stringy 16-20 week flowering sativa in your future then....
I wouldn't really agree with that, at least not totally. Sure most growers do want shorter flowering periods than many of the old school strains had but I think there is more to it than that.
For one, some were DAMN GOOD and many breeders have major egos and they wouldn't want to release seeds from pure old school strains that would show up their handy work. They have to be see as being better breeders that Mother Nature or people would not see them as being the Gods of Ganja like many of them thrive on being seen as being.
Another thing is that when indicas and sativa/indica crosses became more of a rage many of the herb farmers heard of heavy producing indicas with shorter flowering periods and figured they would make some crosses and increase their yields and shorten their flowering time and not being at all knowledgeable or skilled while attempting to make something they could make more money on many of them killed the goose that laid the golden egg ... and it just got really hard to find the Real McCoy after a while.
It was the same with many pre-over-dried brickweed Mexican era strains. Many were really pretty good but they were destroyed when farmers tried to play breeder and made crosses that resulted in something that was pretty good ending up garbage and the real deal being impossible or almost impossible to find anymore. While most were not as potent as something like Colombian Gold or Panama Red what they had going for them was a totally different high. Many we just called giggle-weed. They got you good and high but they also made EVERYTHING hilarious. If you got high before going to your grandmother's wake and or funeral it was a major fight to not break out laughing over something. Strains like Colombian Gold made you more introspective. You could spend hours contemplating why butterflies were called butterflies. They did not make butter, they did not eat butter and they were not flies ... so why did someone decide to call them that .. and then you would try to think up a better name for them .. and God help everyone involved if the topic of does God exist came up or if there is alien life in outer space.
While those strains were more potent they made you think too much. At times it was better to be a bit less high and everything seem funnier than a Three Stooges episode or a Marx Brothers movie.
Another thing with some breeders was greed, combined with the wannabe rock star fame thing. In the past when many breeders breeding stables had numerous pure old school strains in them often times one would have a male of a certain strain and another would have a female. They wouldn't sell or trade cuttings or plants with each other and they wouldn't work together because who would get to claim the lions share of the fame, and profits, if they did decide to release them in their pure form? So each held onto their male or their female and only used them in crosses.
The large commercial supplies died out, what breeders had both a male and a female would not release them because their egos were more important than dollars and the few that would like to have released them only had a male or a female and could not or just would not work anything out with another breeder who had what they did not have.
When things reached a point where most people wanted 8 to 10 week flowering mostly or all indica strains it was seen as there not being a market for them so there was even less reason to release them or work with someone else to find a way to release them.
I used to have cigar boxes filled with seeds from Colombian Gold, Acapulco Gold, Malawi Gold, Durban Poison, Panama Red, Highland Oaxacan Gold and a few unspecified Jamaican, Thai and Laotian strains ... and if I remember right some Cambodian and Burmese too, though not nearly as many of them. What I would give to have them all now. Even after all these years if only one out of every 500 or 1000 seeds popped I would have more than enough to be set to start them all back up again. But then if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
i fear i must agree with you, this looks very much like some hybrid of current timesI thought C. Gold was a Sativa, that sure don't look like one.
i'm willing to suspend disbelief as the plant grows out, but i did do outdoor columbian grows years ago, this doesn't seem to remind me of them
Timmahh
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ya i wish i had labled them when i put them up, but it was the late 70s, and i didnt think at the time, id be trying to grow them out 30 yrs later. lol. but, im still confident in my original claim, which is its a CG, but their is a chance, because i didnt lable the beans back then, it could be something else. which is why im keeping the current pics coming. sometimes, its the smallest things that someone may see, that others overlook, that can key into the specifics. and the specifics are my interest. as its those specifics that will help verify what it is, what i think it is, and what others percieve it to be. lol
one thing is forsure. its old, its looking healthy, and if the 30 yrs didnt deteriorate any of the genetics, and i have a healthy grown plant, then it will be an old, dank strain of something from back in the day.
So please, for the sole intent of identifying exactly what it is, gender and strain, keep up the discussions.
Timmahh
one thing is forsure. its old, its looking healthy, and if the 30 yrs didnt deteriorate any of the genetics, and i have a healthy grown plant, then it will be an old, dank strain of something from back in the day.
So please, for the sole intent of identifying exactly what it is, gender and strain, keep up the discussions.
Timmahh
Brick Top
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It was normally called or considered to be 100% sativa, which I always believed it to be and if the appearance of what I used to grow goes for anything it sure had the looks of a pure sativa. But now some believe it to have been a 25/75 indica/sativa landrace from Colombia, giving as a result a mixture of pure lines come from Santa Marta zone.
I still believe the real deal was a pure sativa, but I could be wrong. A few times I looked at the pictures of the plants and was half tempted to say that they really don't look all that much like what I grew from Colombian Gold bagseed decades ago, but then I thought possibly it could in part look different because of the closeup pictures and the angles of the pictures ... but it does look more like a cross to me than a pure sativa. But that could be because possibly the newer belief that Colombian Gold was actually a 25/75 indica/sativa mix are true and he has a somewhat more indica prone phenotype.
But I wouldn't bet the farm on it being real true pure Colombian Gold.
very fine information, i've always wondered a bit about the genetic history about the Columbian strains(as opposed to the Mexican genetic history)
which makes me wonder how much indica may have been mixed in back then
a lot of that Columbian had much more body(than head) than our beloved Mexicans
Serapis
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I was just looking at those pics and thinking the same damn thing.... That looks like a predominant Indica to me, but hey, what do I know? ;p
Pipe Dream
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here's an excerpt from Rober Clarks book Marijuana Botany
Colombian Cannabis originally could be divided into two basic strains: one from the low-altitude humid coastal areas along the Atlantic near Panama, and the other from the more arid mountain areas inland from Santa Marta. More recently, new areas of cultivation in the interior plateau of southern central Colombia and the highland valleys stretching southward from the Atlantic coast have become the primary areas of commercial export Cannabis cultivation. Until recent years high quality Cannabis was available through the black market from both coastal and highland Colombia. Cannabis was introduced to Colombia just over 100 years ago, and its cultivation is deeply rooted in tradition. Cultivation techniques often involve transplanting of selected seedlings and other individual attention. The production of "la mona amarilla" or gold buds is achieved by girdling or removing a strip of bark from the main stem of a nearly mature plant, thereby restricting the flow of water, nutrients, and plant products. Over several days the leaves dry up and fall off as the flowers slowly die and turn yellow. This produces the highly prized "Colombian gold" so prevalent in the early to middle 1970s (Partridge 1973). Trade names such as "punta roja" (red tips [pistils] ), "Cali Hills," "choco," "lowland," "Santa Marta gold," and "purple" give us some idea of the color of older varieties and the location of cultivation.
In response to an incredible demand by America for Cannabis, and the fairly effective control of Mexican Cannabis importation and cultivation through tightening border security and the use of Paraquat, Colombian farmers have geared up their operations. Most of the marijuana smoked in America is imported from Colombia. This also means that the largest number of seeds available for domes tic cultivation also originate in Colombia. Cannabis agri-business has squeezed out all but a few small areas where labor-intensive cultivation of high quality drug Cannabis such as "Ia mona amarilla" can continue. The fine marijuana of Colombia was often seedless, but commercial grades are nearly always well seeded. As a rule today, the more remote highland areas are the centers of commercial agriculture and few of the small farmers remain. It is thought that some highland farmers must still grow fine Cannabis, and occasional connoisseur crops surface. The older seeds from the legendary Colombian strains are now highly prized by breeders. In the heyday of "Colombian gold" this fine cerebral marijuana was grown high in the mountains. Humid lowland marijuana was characterized by stringy, brown, fibrous floral clusters of sedative narcotic high. Now highland marijuana has become the commercial product and is characterized by leafy brown floral clusters and sedative effect. Many of the unfavorable characteristics of imported Colombian Cannabis result from hurried commercial agricultural techniques combined with poor curing and storage. Colombian seeds still contain genes favoring vigorous growth and high THC production. Colombian strains also contain high levels of CBD and CBN, which could account for sedative highs and result from poor curing and storage techniques. Domestic Colombian strains usually lack CBD and CBN. The commercial Cannabis market has brought about the eradication of some local strains by hybridizing with commercial strains.
Colombian strains appear as relatively highly branched conical plants with a long upright central stem, horizontal limbs and relatively short internodes. The leaves are characterized by highly serrated slender leaflets (7-11) in a nearly complete to overlapping circular array of varying shades of medium green. Colombian strains usually flower late in temperate regions of the northern hemisphere and may fail to mature flowers in colder climates. These strains favor the long equatorial growing seasons and often seem insensitive to the rapidly decreasing daylength during autumn in temperate latitudes. Because of the horizontal branching pattern of Colombian strains and their long growth cycle, pistillate plants tend to produce many flowering clusters along the entire length of the stem back to the central stalk. The small flowers tend to produce small, round, dark, mottled, and brown seeds. Imported and domestic Colombian Cannabis often tend to be more sedative in psychoactivity than other strains. This may be caused by the synergistic effect of THC with higher levels of CBD or CBN. Poor curing techniques on the part of Colombian farmers, such as sun drying in huge piles resembling com post heaps, may form CBN as a degradation product of THC. Colombian strains tend to make excellent hybrids with more rapidly maturing strains such as those from Central and North America.
Colombian Cannabis originally could be divided into two basic strains: one from the low-altitude humid coastal areas along the Atlantic near Panama, and the other from the more arid mountain areas inland from Santa Marta. More recently, new areas of cultivation in the interior plateau of southern central Colombia and the highland valleys stretching southward from the Atlantic coast have become the primary areas of commercial export Cannabis cultivation. Until recent years high quality Cannabis was available through the black market from both coastal and highland Colombia. Cannabis was introduced to Colombia just over 100 years ago, and its cultivation is deeply rooted in tradition. Cultivation techniques often involve transplanting of selected seedlings and other individual attention. The production of "la mona amarilla" or gold buds is achieved by girdling or removing a strip of bark from the main stem of a nearly mature plant, thereby restricting the flow of water, nutrients, and plant products. Over several days the leaves dry up and fall off as the flowers slowly die and turn yellow. This produces the highly prized "Colombian gold" so prevalent in the early to middle 1970s (Partridge 1973). Trade names such as "punta roja" (red tips [pistils] ), "Cali Hills," "choco," "lowland," "Santa Marta gold," and "purple" give us some idea of the color of older varieties and the location of cultivation.
In response to an incredible demand by America for Cannabis, and the fairly effective control of Mexican Cannabis importation and cultivation through tightening border security and the use of Paraquat, Colombian farmers have geared up their operations. Most of the marijuana smoked in America is imported from Colombia. This also means that the largest number of seeds available for domes tic cultivation also originate in Colombia. Cannabis agri-business has squeezed out all but a few small areas where labor-intensive cultivation of high quality drug Cannabis such as "Ia mona amarilla" can continue. The fine marijuana of Colombia was often seedless, but commercial grades are nearly always well seeded. As a rule today, the more remote highland areas are the centers of commercial agriculture and few of the small farmers remain. It is thought that some highland farmers must still grow fine Cannabis, and occasional connoisseur crops surface. The older seeds from the legendary Colombian strains are now highly prized by breeders. In the heyday of "Colombian gold" this fine cerebral marijuana was grown high in the mountains. Humid lowland marijuana was characterized by stringy, brown, fibrous floral clusters of sedative narcotic high. Now highland marijuana has become the commercial product and is characterized by leafy brown floral clusters and sedative effect. Many of the unfavorable characteristics of imported Colombian Cannabis result from hurried commercial agricultural techniques combined with poor curing and storage. Colombian seeds still contain genes favoring vigorous growth and high THC production. Colombian strains also contain high levels of CBD and CBN, which could account for sedative highs and result from poor curing and storage techniques. Domestic Colombian strains usually lack CBD and CBN. The commercial Cannabis market has brought about the eradication of some local strains by hybridizing with commercial strains.
Colombian strains appear as relatively highly branched conical plants with a long upright central stem, horizontal limbs and relatively short internodes. The leaves are characterized by highly serrated slender leaflets (7-11) in a nearly complete to overlapping circular array of varying shades of medium green. Colombian strains usually flower late in temperate regions of the northern hemisphere and may fail to mature flowers in colder climates. These strains favor the long equatorial growing seasons and often seem insensitive to the rapidly decreasing daylength during autumn in temperate latitudes. Because of the horizontal branching pattern of Colombian strains and their long growth cycle, pistillate plants tend to produce many flowering clusters along the entire length of the stem back to the central stalk. The small flowers tend to produce small, round, dark, mottled, and brown seeds. Imported and domestic Colombian Cannabis often tend to be more sedative in psychoactivity than other strains. This may be caused by the synergistic effect of THC with higher levels of CBD or CBN. Poor curing techniques on the part of Colombian farmers, such as sun drying in huge piles resembling com post heaps, may form CBN as a degradation product of THC. Colombian strains tend to make excellent hybrids with more rapidly maturing strains such as those from Central and North America.
Pipe Dream
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Thanks, I just copy/pasted it.
One thing I have heard around the webs is that landrace sativa genetics, especially from places like mexico, tend to be all one color, usually small and dark with mottling sometimes. Striped beans are more likely to be hybrids. I know that the paragraph says that buton another forum they hhad a whole thread dedicated to sativas and had a lot of this information and seed pictures. The sativas I planted recently all matched this description. In fact, many looked so small I thought they were no good.
Hillbilly420
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How's it coming along? im kinda interested, i'd love some pollen if if comes out male.
TDM
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Congrats on saving seeds, couple of years backed I pitched all mine. In the mid-seventires a shipment of columbo made history, the soils, temps and conditions were perfect, plus the way the product was packaged and cured gave it a distinctive "hash bud" taste that is still legendary, and still trying to be duplicated without success. As I recall Oz were $100. which was outrageous at the time.
I would breed it for seed...many other people have tried to match the original columbo taste but have been unsuccessful. I have read varied conditions came into play during that season that produced that famous load. I burned a bunch.
I would breed it for seed...many other people have tried to match the original columbo taste but have been unsuccessful. I have read varied conditions came into play during that season that produced that famous load. I burned a bunch.
theexpress
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and i know hundreds if not more new school growers who would agree with me....
theexpress
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dude the best haze..... isnt shit to the best kush!!!!!!!! thats just how it is.... you may feel different cuzz your old and shit and cant deal with the stronger indicas, but if you wanna wrecked day in day out smoke some dank ass indica... if you wanna get less and less high everythime you smoke cuzz tolerence on sativas {least to me!!!} forms so fucking fast smoke you some sativa.... and please stop trying to force your opinions on us about your old ass vintage sativas!!!!!!! nobody wants that bullshit!!!!! IF THAT SHIT WAS SOO FUCKING DANK HOW COME YOUR OLD ASS HASNT BEEN GROWING IT SINCE THE 60'S AND ONLY INBREEDING IT???? why did you fuck up like that if according to you those vintage sativas are the best of the best???? you shoulda saved some seeds so you could grow that shit out today and let us test it so we can all have a good laff at you!!!
why are you being an asshole? you are incapable of giving your opinion without acting like a pompous asshole?