The Real Truth about Rootbound and Transplanting

Zaehet Strife

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dude you were the one arguing against me, you were the one posting pics of huge plants in small pots, giving novice growers who view this thread the idea that they can grow big plants in small pots too... when most of the time that is not the case.
 

Hubert

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we dont have anyone else to take care of our plants for us while we are gone. unless we have as much help/experience as you, im almost 100% positive that inexperienced growers like me would benefit 100% off of transplanting their plants instead of having to come home at lunch to water etc.etc.
Ok so you admit that you're inexperienced, and yet you won't take experienced growers lessons...it's people like you that never figure this out, you're too damn caught up in not being wrong. Who cares if you're wrong? We're trying to help you not make you feel like an idiot...


cant wait for your hasty immature remarks they make me smile.. and at least i know theres a few people here who are actually trying to help. thanks bricktop and uncleben.
This is too damn much, you're the idiot who comes in here and rips on people for disagreeing...no one has done that at all. We're pointing out examples of how plants grow despite your rootbound lesson, and you can't accept it for whatever reason. It's really not that hard to do, yes it requires extra maintenance...it doesn't mean you have to quit your job though!

Your facts are very shallowly based, your arguments childish, and your overall demeanor is poor.
 

shnkrmn

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Hey Zaehet, FDD has helped many people here, including me. Of course, so have Bricktop and UB; heck, one of them invented topping, for god's sake (old fkrs, lol)

Most of the time, noobs can't grow any size plant in any kind of pot. No one can help or harm a noob; it's up to them to determine the best path for them. And, I might add, ruthless, sorry experience is the best teacher. Your desire that they only be exposed to best practices is a bit marmish of you. You ought to get over to tafbang's chandelier grow thread and tell him to cut it out, he's setting a bad example for the noobs. There's lots of ways to grow plants. both with and against nature.
 

fdd2blk

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dude you were the one arguing against me, you were the one posting pics of huge plants in small pots, giving novice growers who view this thread the idea that they can grow big plants in small pots too... when most of the time that is not the case.
i don't really think i'm arguing.

yes, you can. believe in yourself.

why would anyone encourage someone to "limit" themselves or their knowledge?

however you may see it, i am trying my best to be polite and helpful. i have made no attempts to be anything but. i apologize if you see it otherwise. i really mean no harm. bongsmilie


sorry about the HUGE pic. it's the only one i have access to. it's in my photobucket account. though i could have sworn i mentioned this already.
 

colonuggs

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Remeber the plant (casey jones) I showed you guys that was rootbound in a 6 inch cup on 3-28 -11 (page 9) droopy leaves yellowing

The day I showed you all that photo I transplanted it into a 8 inch potter.... look how much better the plant is doing...5 days later

No fert added... just transplanted and watered...I never add fert to the first time watering a transplanted plant.....I use a soilless growing medium (sun#4)

The leaves are now stretching towards the light (not drooping) the green color has returned along with explosive new growth

A plant in a 6 inch cup under 400s will take almost twice as long to get rootbound compaired to the same strain in a cup growing under 1000s

A freshly watered transplanted plant takes days for the water to get used up.... as the roots expand and the plant gets rootbound... you will find yourself watering alot more if not daily

In soil grows... during veg as long as roots can expand... the growth of a plant can be almost unrestricted.... as roots get bound up the growth slows

 

Zaehet Strife

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omg im so high! hahaha! you gave me the greatest idea! heres some pics of both of the plants i posted in the first post on the thread! the big girl is the one i transplanted, and the smaller bushier one is that trifoliate plant im trying to make male. they are both trifoliate plants.. im going to breed them to make a trifoliate phenotype! pretty coooool.

it sure does look to me like my little yellow droopy fan leaf edge pointing up plant just needed more space, becuase ive done nothing differently to the plant except put it in a bigger pot.

so for all the novices out there who dont know how to take care of a rootbound plant like me, just check out my handy dandy rootbound tutorial at the start of the thread!
 

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fdd2blk

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you all do realize the fresh soil in those new pots hold fresh nutes? of course they will perk up and turn green. they would have done the same if you would have fed and watered them a little heavier while in smaller pots, as well. it's not really anything "amazing". it had nothing to do with root space. ;)
 

fdd2blk

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Remeber the plant (casey jones) I showed you guys that was rootbound in a 6 inch cup on 3-28 -11 (page 9) droopy leaves yellowing

The day I showed you all that photo I transplanted it into a 8 inch potter.... look how much better the plant is doing...5 days later

No fert added... just transplanted and watered...I never add fert to the first time watering a transplanted plant.....I use a soilless growing medium (sun#4)

The leaves are now stretching towards the light (not drooping) the green color has returned along with explosive new growth

A plant in a 6 inch cup under 400s will take almost twice as long to get rootbound compaired to the same strain in a cup growing under 1000s

A freshly watered transplanted plant takes days for the water to get used up.... as the roots expand and the plant gets rootbound... you will find yourself watering alot more if not daily

In soil grows... during veg as long as roots can expand... the growth of a plant can be almost unrestricted.... as roots get bound up the growth slows





i would fed the shit out of this plant. full doses for the next 2 to 3 waterings. then plain water, then 2 more doses. let the soil dry out a little in between. over watering can be a problem until your roots fill in.
 

Zaehet Strife

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you all do realize the fresh soil in those new pots hold fresh nutes? of course they will perk up and turn green. they would have done the same if you would have fed and watered them a little heavier while in smaller pots, as well. it's not really anything "amazing". it had nothing to do with root space. ;)
it def. had SOMETHING to do with root space, was also under the impression that coco/perlite mix was very low in nutrients to begin with. like to mix my own soil, that way i have better controll over my feeding.
 

Brick Top

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let the soil dry out a little in between. over watering can be a problem until your roots fill in.

It's always a good idea to let soil dry out some, but a larger pot size has little to do with over watering as long as you have adequate drainage. He could have the plant in a 50-gallon pot and with adequate drainage not have to worry about over watering unless he just kept flooding it.

With the plants you grow in the ground rather than in pots ... how much of the planet earth do you wait for the plants roots to fill in before you figure you don't have to be all that concerned about over watering?

It's all about adequate drainage, and nothing more.
 

Hubert

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i mean if you guys really think my tutorial isn't going to help people........
I think your tutorial is going to provide a scape goat to anyone with any problems, as rootbound always has. You guys all seem to miss the whole point here, no one is saying that bigger pots doesn't make life easier but we are saying they are not essential by any means. If you call yourself a grower you should know how to maintain a plant regardless of what it's in, and the fact that you can't does not necessarily mean it's rootbound. I simply don't think the plants in the pics you posted were actually rootbound at all, you more than likely had other issues going on that you simply couldn't identify. There's no shame in improperly diagnosing something, but there is ignore the facts to the contrary.
 

colonuggs

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you all do realize the fresh soil in those new pots hold fresh nutes? of course they will perk up and turn green. they would have done the same if you would have fed and watered them a little heavier while in smaller pots, as well. it's not really anything "amazing". it had nothing to do with root space. ;)
No bro... there are no fresh nutes in the soil I use for transplanting......WHY..... cause its not soil :)


Sunshine #4 is a peatmoss based soilless medium....no nutes of any kind are in the growing medium...only what you add...I used the same medium in the cup too....

Although peat moss does not contain nutrients, it does adsorb nutrients added to or present in the soil, releasing them over time as the plants require. ... This information is provided by The Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss Association (CSPMA); For additional information, visit their website at: www.peatmoss.com...
Yes it totally had to do with root space......WHY....cause I did not add any fert... only thing I did was transplant and water ...wait 5 days to take a new photo



In the cup... I water with fert 2 times during the 3 weeks... usually have to water 2 times a week...so 2 of the 6 waterings are with fert
 

Brick Top

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If you call yourself a grower you should know how to maintain a plant regardless of what it's in,

I think where the difference in beliefs is found is that many growers, including many good growers, think that being able to make up for deficiencies in what they do means they know and understand plants. To me a good grower is one who understand plant needs and plant functions and knows to provide the best possible growing conditions and who doesn't have to make up for deficiencies in what they do by watering more often and monitoring their plants so closely. They end up chasing far fewer problems in the long run than the ones who intentionally use deficient setups or systems and who like to think that because they can get away with it most of the time they are really good growers.
 

fdd2blk

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No bro... theere are no fresh nutes in the soil......WHY..... cause its not soil :)


Sunshine #4 is a peatmoss based soilless medium....no nutes of any kind are in the growing medium...only what you add...I used the same medium in the cup too

Yes it totally had to do with root space
you are right. :)
 

Zaehet Strife

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I think your tutorial is going to provide a scape goat to anyone with any problems, as rootbound always has. You guys all seem to miss the whole point here, no one is saying that bigger pots doesn't make life easier but we are saying they are not essential by any means. If you call yourself a grower you should know how to maintain a plant regardless of what it's in, and the fact that you can't does not necessarily mean it's rootbound. I simply don't think the plants in the pics you posted were actually rootbound at all, you more than likely had other issues going on that you simply couldn't identify. There's no shame in improperly diagnosing something, but there is ignore the facts to the contrary.
every time i grow starting in small containers, keeping them in small containers for longer than i should results in slowed growth/discoloration/etc. not arguing the fact that you can keep them healthy. but that transplanting is the best thing for the plant. and how to identify when your plant is STARTING to get rootbound. that plant in my thread is ready for a bigger pot, no it may not be rootbound to the extent you all think, but its ready for a bigger pot. after the transplant i didnt give her any more food than i would have if i would have left her in the small pot. how is giving larger dose of food to a plant with the same rootmass going to make it better? i mean i know watering more and proper drainage will help so much.but my plant looked the way it did because it was starting to get rootbound and needed a bigger pot. i treated it the same way, cept it was in a bigger pot man. that plant didnt used to look like it did before the transplant, it was green and lucious like it is now.
 
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