The Real Truth about Rootbound and Transplanting

Brick Top

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Originally Posted by fdd2blk
it seems people on this thread have different intents then others.
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It would be more accurate to say that people in this thread have different sized knowledge bases and those knowledge bases pretty much seem to accurately reflect each persons belief about pot sizes.
 
Zaehet Strife

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fdd2blk said:
it seems people on this thread have different intents then others. :neutral:
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Your right Fdd, we all have different intentions, my intentions are to help novice growers grow healthier plants. i understand where your coming from and that your trying to get the correct botanical information out there. but the thing is most growers aren't botanists or experts like you, and all im trying to do is show novice growers the easiest simplest way to improve the health of a plant by transplanting.
 
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Zaehet Strife said:
Your right Fdd, we all have different intentions, my intentions are to help novice growers grow healthier plants. i understand where your coming from and that your trying to get the correct botanical information out there. but the thing is most growers aren't botanists or experts like you, and all im trying to do is show novice growers the easiest simplest way to improve the health of a plant by transplanting.
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I cannot agree with that. When you have someone telling others that; ""rootbound" is just a term." well, that is not an example of someone attempting to get; "correct botanical information out there." In fact it is just the opposite. No botanist, no horticulturalist would ever say anything anywhere close to that. Root-bound is not; "just a term," it is a condition and it is a condition that can cause many problems, some of them very serious problems and some that if extreme enough could, under one of any number of different scenarios, cause the death of a plant or plants.
 
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Zaehet Strife said:
Your right Fdd, we all have different intentions, my intentions are to help novice growers grow healthier plants. i understand where your coming from and that your trying to get the correct botanical information out there. but the thing is most growers aren't botanists or experts like you, and all im trying to do is show novice growers the easiest simplest way to improve the health of a plant by transplanting.
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i'm far from being any kind of botanist. hell, my family doesn't even own a nursery.

i appreciate the compliment though.

thank you for starting this thread. it may not have gone exactly like you'd planned, but i think we are all still learning from it. ;) :)

happy growing. :)
 
Zaehet Strife

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thank you so much everyone, esp you brick top for helping to get the message out. agreed, everyone happy growing and hope people get something out of this.

if you've made it all the way to the end, dont forget about my handy dandy rootbound/transplanting tutorial at the start of the thread! =D hehe
 
wookieslinger

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Brick Top said:
It depends on the type of hydro growing someone does. Any type of hydro growing that still relies on pots, the plants are still in pots then they can still suffer the root-bound condition.
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Most hydro apps work with very little root space, but still out perform the very best soil conditions with far reaching roots. Why is that?
Roots primary functions are to collect nutes & water and to anchor the plant. If all three are meet in a short distance than the plant has no need to expand it's root system.
In nature nutes are dispersed through many deep layers of sediment, roots must expand to collect them. Under ground water tables is what the tap root is shooting for.
I still have seen no proof of the root bound condition, nor has any reputable horticulture reference that I've found.
I don't care who is right or wrong, I just want to know. And hydro seems like it null and voids the entire root bound argument.

Zaehet Strife said:
the message out.
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What message? You're no further with this than when you started. Your examples are all speculation.

This debate is far from settled.
 
Brick Top

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Originally Posted by Brick Top
It depends on the type of hydro growing someone does. Any type of hydro growing that still relies on pots, the plants are still in pots then they can still suffer the root-bound condition.
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wookieslinger said:
Most hydro apps work with very little root space, but still out perform the very best soil conditions with far reaching roots. Why is that?
Roots primary functions are to collect nutes & water and to anchor the plant. If all three are meet in a short distance than the plant has no need to expand it's root system.

In nature nutes are dispersed through many deep layers of sediment, roots must expand to collect them. Under ground water tables is what the tap root is shooting for.

I still have seen no proof of the root bound condition, nor has any reputable horticulture reference that I've found.
I don't care who is right or wrong, I just want to know. And hydro seems like it null and voids the entire root bound argument.




This debate is far from settled.
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A simple Google search will bring up many credible sites that explain the root-bound condition. If that is not enough for you go to your local library and check out a few books on horticulture or take a class or three in horticulture and you will learn all about it for yourself.
 
Zaehet Strife

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never seen anything like that before, pretty cool man. you should try these bag pots that you can get. i got 1gal 3gal and 5gal bags, they are so nice, taller but skinnier so you can fit them closer together. plus they are super cheap, reusable and disposable! got mine from amazon
 
Wolverine97

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wookieslinger said:
Most hydro apps work with very little root space, but still out perform the very best soil conditions with far reaching roots. Why is that?
Roots primary functions are to collect nutes & water and to anchor the plant. If all three are meet in a short distance than the plant has no need to expand it's root system.
In nature nutes are dispersed through many deep layers of sediment, roots must expand to collect them. Under ground water tables is what the tap root is shooting for.
I still have seen no proof of the root bound condition, nor has any reputable horticulture reference that I've found.
I don't care who is right or wrong, I just want to know. And hydro seems like it null and voids the entire root bound argument.


What message? You're no further with this than when you started. Your examples are all speculation.

This debate is far from settled.
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Not at all. Do a DWC experiment. Take clones from the same mother and set one up in a five gallon bucket and the other in a three gallon bucket and get back to me...
 
Uncle Ben

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wookieslinger said:
Most hydro apps work with very little root space, but still out perform the very best soil conditions with far reaching roots.
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That's a feeling (or paradigm) not a fact. Show me the studies which would include root mass weight.

It's the old hydro vs soil debate all over again.

Folks should do what they're comfortable doing and not worry about some pothead debate based on feelings with no facts to back up their position.

UB
 
Uncle Ben

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shnkrmn said:
Hey Zaehet, FDD has helped many people here, including me. Of course, so have Bricktop and UB; heck, one of them invented topping, for god's sake (old fkrs, lol)
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Don't insult me, ya petty little twit. Prove I ever claimed to have invented topping.

Just got back to this thread....same ol crap as it ever was.

UB
 
Uncle Ben

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colonuggs said:
Sunshine #4 is a peatmoss based soilless medium....no nutes of any kind are in the growing medium...only what you add...I used the same medium in the cup too....
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All companies add a nutrient charge that will last a short time or in the case of Miracle Gro that uses Polyon, quite a while. Sunshine is probably using an organic nutrient charge such as the meals.

UB
 
shnkrmn

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Dear Uncle Ben,

I did not intend to insult you; I have the greatest respect for you. 'Twas a joke, only.

You turned my on to Dyna-gro a couple years ago and that put me on a new path. So thanks.

I may be a twit, but I'm not petty.

Uncle Ben said:
Don't insult me, ya petty little twit. Prove I ever claimed to have invented topping.

Just got back to this thread....same ol crap as it ever was.

UB
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Brick Top

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Uncle Ben said:
That's a feeling (or paradigm) not a fact. Show me the studies which would include root mass weight.

It's the old hydro vs soil debate all over again.

Folks should do what they're comfortable doing and not worry about some pothead debate based on feelings with no facts to back up their position.

UB
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What is missed or left out or not thought of in the soil/hydro debate is if it is a passive hydro setup, if it relies on pots or if it's a DWC system. Passive hydro and pot-based hydro systems produce less than other hydro systems and that is often due to a root:shoot imbalance just as when someone grows in soil and uses pots than are too small. Seldom if ever is there a comparison made that is really as accurate as one could possibly be made between soil and a hydro growing.
 
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