Re-elect Obama 2012 thread

[NoDrama]

It saved the economy. Because to have all those people who had jobs and spent money supported the economy. If we cut out the people's ability to buy things the economy would have had a much harder time recovering.
So paying unemployment for so long means the economy recovered faster.

People spending money = economic recovery
People not spending money = slower recovery

Remember we lost millions of jobs not thousands of jobs.

Obama and the Democrats saved the economy!

It's a classic blunder due to our indoctrination that we fail to see our Economic Government.
We blame the economic issues on the the legal Government when it's a private bank, Federal Reserve, that is the Economic Government that is to blame for prices.

Good to see everyone is aware there is a problem.. That is a Start.

Politicians have nothing to do with the economy, its all about the Federal reserve and its policies.

It was Republicans that pushed to have spending limits removed. So blaming someone running for office now who needs hundreds of millions if not a billion dollars to run for office such as President is silly.

The Republicans are responsible for the bad economy, their bad decisions in the past haunt us now and are the root of the problem.


You sure aren't very consistent Ernie! I think you haven't really thought about your answers. Watching the Zeitgeist movies got you clued in, but you never took it any further, now you just post nonsense on anything economics related. If the fed controls the economy and politicians don't really have any say, then how can one save the economy and the other ruin the economy if they have no power to do so in the first place?

In the end it is CONGRESS who spends all the money, the Fed enables the Congress to Spend far more than they have. In turn this deficit is payed by the citizen through the hidden tax of inflation. Taking from one to give to another only costs MORE for everyone, because in the process of taking and giving Government has to skim a little off the top to provide for itself. Government itself does not provide anything, they just are the middleman and just cause innefficiency.

 

[secretweapon]

Edit.

I'm going to go re-watch zietgiest

 

[mame]

innefficiency.

The funny thing about this, is that if you ask any government employee how they could increase productivity the first thing they would say is that they are understaffed and that addressing that issue would be a step in the right direction.

I'm inclined to believe them; During High school I was put in classes with 30-35 kids in them for a single teacher. The struggling students never got the time they needed with the teachers because there was just too many kids they had to look after... Have you ever been to the DMV? I dont even have to say anything. Why dont you go ask the police why they fail to keep crime rates low in large cities and they'll tell you they dont have enough policemen.

This is a common trend throughout ALL government agencies. Problem is, no one is willing to pay for these services because they're too "inefficient".

 

[GottaHaveIt]

The Republicans are responsible for the bad economy, their bad decisions in the past haunt us now and are the root of the problem.

any economy based on interest-bearing loans is doomed to failure.

Money is created when banks loan money. It's just a ledger entry adding a positive balance(principle) to your account, there is no corresponding debit in the bank's account.
The interest required is NOT created, it must be taken from someone else's principle.
This creates a 'scarcity', there cannot be enough money to repay all loans because the interest payment had to come from someone's principle.

If debt is not 'forgiven' or 'written off', eventually banks will not be able to 'create' money fast enough to pay the interest and the system must collapse.

The poor economy is not the fault of republicans or democrats, it is a natural result of a flawed system.

 

[beardo]

The funny thing about this, is that if you ask any government employee how they could increase productivity the first thing they would say is that they are understaffed and that addressing that issue would be a step in the right direction.

I'm inclined to believe them; During High school I was put in classes with 30-35 kids in them for a single teacher. The struggling students never got the time they needed with the teachers because there was just too many kids they had to look after... Have you ever been to the DMV? I dont even have to say anything. Why dont you go ask the police why they fail to keep crime rates low in large cities and they'll tell you they dont have enough policemen.

This is a common trend throughout ALL government agencies. Problem is, no one is willing to pay for these services because they're too "inefficient".

Isn't that part of Fascism?

 

[budlover13]

Obama and the Democrats saved the economy!


Politicians have nothing to do with the economy, its all about the Federal reserve and its policies.


The Republicans are responsible for the bad economy, their bad decisions in the past haunt us now and are the root of the problem.


You sure aren't very consistent Ernie! I think you haven't really thought about your answers. Watching the Zeitgeist movies got you clued in, but you never took it any further, now you just post nonsense on anything economics related. If the fed controls the economy and politicians don't really have any say, then how can one save the economy and the other ruin the economy if they have no power to do so in the first place?

In the end it is CONGRESS who spends all the money, the Fed enables the Congress to Spend far more than they have. In turn this deficit is payed by the citizen through the hidden tax of inflation. Taking from one to give to another only costs MORE for everyone, because in the process of taking and giving Government has to skim a little off the top to provide for itself. Government itself does not provide anything, they just are the middleman and just cause innefficiency.

No contradiction with "Politicians don't run the economy!" and the FEDERAL RESERVE.

 

[mame]

Isn't that part of Fascism?

No, it's a fact. As a result of small government ideals within our government (Republicans), it is an extremely common trend throughout all levels of government that agencies are understaffed.

There is a difference between staffing for the purpose of power and indoctrination and staffing for legitimate needs. All of the situations I pointed out are below the standards of what most Americans believe to be acceptable (35 kids a classroom are you joking?). The problem with Americans is that they say "Wow! I never knew my kid was in such a large classroom! We need more teachers to alleviate this problem!" but at the very same time they say, "Man, I really wish I didn't have to pay so many taxes... fuck government wasting my money all the time, I'd be rich already if it weren't for the damn Bureaucrats!" .

Then the poor grades report comes and it's back to "We really need to get some more teachers in the schools! My kid was in a class of 35, couldn't get help from the teacher, and now he failed his class!"... It's an endless cycle.

 

[budlover13]

IMHO, the 2 major parties of the US need to go put a .45 to their head. MAYBE then, we can make some actual progress.

 

[Ernst]

Obama and the Democrats saved the economy!


Politicians have nothing to do with the economy, its all about the Federal reserve and its policies.


The Republicans are responsible for the bad economy, their bad decisions in the past haunt us now and are the root of the problem.


You sure aren't very consistent Ernie! I think you haven't really thought about your answers. Watching the Zeitgeist movies got you clued in, but you never took it any further, now you just post nonsense on anything economics related. If the fed controls the economy and politicians don't really have any say, then how can one save the economy and the other ruin the economy if they have no power to do so in the first place?

In the end it is CONGRESS who spends all the money, the Fed enables the Congress to Spend far more than they have. In turn this deficit is payed by the citizen through the hidden tax of inflation. Taking from one to give to another only costs MORE for everyone, because in the process of taking and giving Government has to skim a little off the top to provide for itself. Government itself does not provide anything, they just are the middleman and just cause innefficiency.

Every life form is entitled to life. I am not cycling with your logic.
Let me try and format a reply. I hope to fill the stage as well as you do.
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Your reply is a reply to a post I made.

My short, is that our final reality is the truth that saves mankind but until then it will be about what profits some of mankind. We have moved from resource rich to resource dependant.

Our politics will adjust on it's own.

 

[NoDrama]

No contradiction with "Politicians don't run the economy!" and the FEDERAL RESERVE.

I suppose your statement would make sense if the Federal Reserve was a Government entity, but its actually a private corporation owned by private individuals.

 

[Carne Seca]

Vote Obama 2012!

 

[budlover13]

I suppose your statement would make sense if the Federal Reserve was a Government entity, but its actually a private corporation owned by private individuals.

That politicians have NO control over right? Kinda what I'm getting at. Like we don't really own the WhiteHouse, the big corps do.

 

[NoDrama]

That politicians have NO control over right? Kinda what I'm getting at. Like we don't really own the WhiteHouse, the big corps do.

exactly!....

 

[budlover13]

It is my belief that when this house of cards we call our economy falls, there's going to be some big changes. It's going to be tough and likely not pretty, but I can hear the winds of change ablowin'.
The US dollar is the world's global reserve currency. For now. MANY countries have decided to drop it and are getting rid of their dollars as fast as they can without crashing their economies. It's a VERY complex economic thing as to the how's and why's. I can PM you a link if you would like. Anyway, when this happens(oil countries, Japan, China, hell, even MEXICO drop the dollar) we're going to be in for a rough, rough ride.

PS. I like your sig. Wise words.

 

[NoDrama]

I agree, while people quibble about making a 10 billion dollar cut to the budget like its really going to help somehow when we spend three hundred times more than that each year.

We need to start making cuts of $2.1 trillion each year to get us back on track. Won't ever happen.


What will happen when the US must raise yield on treasuries? The fed will QE to infinity to try and stop that from happening. Inflation has only just begun.

 

[fdd2blk]

Edit.

I'm going to go re-watch zietgiest

and i'm gonna play xBox all day.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

and i'm gonna play xBox all day.

That's my plan almost every day.

 

[fdd2blk]

That's my plan almost every day.

yeah, this country sure does suck. lol

 

[budlover13]

I agree, while people quibble about making a 10 billion dollar cut to the budget like its really going to help somehow when we spend three hundred times more than that each year.

We need to start making cuts of $2.1 trillion each year to get us back on track. Won't ever happen.


What will happen when the US must raise yield on treasuries? The fed will QE to infinity to try and stop that from happening. Inflation has only just begun.

According to what I've read, EVEN IF every American was taxed @ 100% right now, we couldn't balance the deficit. Insane! And when this thing goes, it's going to be nearly overnight. One announcement and all hell's going to break loose. And since American society as a whole is now one of the most arrogant, self-centered, egotistical, entitled society since Rome, I predict looting, riots, murder, and starvation. Grim scenario, but realistic, imho.

 

[Carne Seca]

Food and water storage. I keep telling you all that. You can spend 20 dollars a week on food storage and have a full two year supply in about a year.