Dont listen to this bullshit.. because thats exactly what it is.

[Couchland]

Again, I agree with Bricktop....Wal-mart really sucks!

It's called....Race to the bottom!

Happening in the seed breeding field too, unfortunately!

 

[Brick Top]

lets just say brick top is the all knowing all seeing and his way is the only way and to have any other opinion then his just makes you wrong and we will be done with this , so for us who cant spend the kind of money he does on seed are just idiots ,we just have to see the error of our ways , thank you oh great one all bow to the brick top

I cannot help but wonder why being told the truth is so painful too you and too so many others?

Possibly like so many others here you take impersonal things and make them personal and then make yourself feel offended or insulted or belittled.

If all someone can afford to drive is a Hyundai, then they drive a Hyundai. But it takes an extremely insecure person to try to convince themselves and to try to tell everyone they can that a Hyundai is as of high quality as a Mercedes.

It's evidently the same with Nirvana seeds and many Nirvana customers. They cannot afford Mercedes quality seeds but their insecurity causes them to try to convince themselves and others that their Hyundai quality seeds are just as good, if not better.

 

[hydgrow]

I cannot help but wonder why being told the truth is so painful too you and too so many others?

Possibly like so many others here you take impersonal things and make them personal and then make yourself feel offended or insulted or belittled.

If all someone can afford to drive is a Hyundai, then they drive a Hyundai. But it takes an extremely insecure person to try to convince themselves and to try to tell everyone they can that a Hyundai is as of high quality as a Mercedes.

It's evidently the same with Nirvana seeds and many Nirvana customers. They cannot afford Mercedes quality seeds but their insecurity causes them to try to convince themselves and others that their Hyundai quality seeds are just as good, if not better.

Because you don't just spread the truth BrickTop:

You have to beat a dead horse, again and again, with what "YOU" see to be the best way

you have to be "all knowing"

you HAVE to be the one who's right

you have to belittle(sp?) people as if you are the "all knowing"

And last but not least BRICKTOP MUST BE THE WINNER! YAY!

To just spread the truth would be to post some facts and let others make a decision. Not sit in these threads doing the above stated B.S. that you so regularly do.

Hope that answers it for ya!

 

[Brick Top]

To just spread the truth would be to post some facts and let others make a decision. Not sit in these threads doing the above stated B.S. that you so regularly do.

Let me see if I understand you correctly. To spread the truth means only expressing it once and then sitting back while large numbers of puppies and Beavis and Buttheads all say, nope, not true, and go on and on about their misconceptions, if someone responds to them, further adding to the facts or repeating some because by reading someone else's message that it was clear that they missed something at some point or misunderstood something at some point, it then makes the truth an untruth simply through the act of repetition?

And for further clarification of your statement, if a fact or facts are presented .. and let us be clear on what a fact is:

fact


Something that actually exists; reality; truth; a concept whose truth can be proved.


So with the actual accurate definition in mind, if a fact or facts are presented you believe that even though it is a fact or facts the final decision on if it is factual or not should be left for others to make their own decision if what is factual is indeed factual or not?

If so, what you are saying is that each person's personal opinion, their personal belief, which so very, very often here is not based in true knowledge but is merely a chosen or preferred perception, somehow magically and mystically transforms proven facts into inaccuracies and at the same time transforms inaccurate misconceptions and warped perceptions into proven facts.

Using your logic and reasoning someone could say that it is a fact that gravity exists, but if someone decided to disagree with that fact, gravity would no longer be a fact and things would begin floating around, or someone could say it is a fact that the earth is round but someone else could say, nope, it's flat, and because of that the planet would become flat and ships would sail right over the edge.

I will never understand why so many growers are so fact-phobic. Possibly it is because so very many of them have always been education-phobic and concepts like learning and accepting are so totally foreign to them.

But I still believe it at least in part goes back to some basic insecurity causing them to need to believe that whatever they pick or do or how they do it just has to be top shelf.

We see that sort of thing exhibited on a fairly regular basis where someone using a few weak CFLs and aluminum foil for reflective material and grows Dollar Store genetics will claim they can, and do, produce as large of yields with as large and as dense of buds as someone with a 600-watt or 1000-watt HID setup who uses Mylar for a reflective material and grows nothing but the highest quality genetics available.

I fully understand that everyone has certain things they would really like to believe. Me, I would really like to believe in the Easter Bunny, the missile shield and strippers with a heart of gold. Sadly though I am bound to exist within the realm of reality and that is why I know that Nirvana's gear is crap and that Nirvana is not a business to be trusted.

 

[patlpp]

I can't believe the energy you are putting into this BT. All you can do is inform them. All effective communication has been lost since about post # 30 or so. Later they will realize you were right, by having to experience it themselves.

 

[Brick Top]

I can't believe the energy you are putting into this BT.

I've been retired for seven years now so I have a LOT of time to fill. While it is warming up here the lake is still to cold to enjoy, recently I took a bit of a tumble on my spiral staircase when my cat decided to play black panther and stalk and capture 'dad' and I aggravated and old injury so that will keep me off the golf courses for a while ... living in an area that is so rural that the possums deliver the mail there is little else to do here ... so this helps to fill my time.

 

[robert 14617]

I cannot help but wonder why being told the truth is so painful too you and too so many others?

Possibly like so many others here you take impersonal things and make them personal and then make yourself feel offended or insulted or belittled.

If all someone can afford to drive is a Hyundai, then they drive a Hyundai. But it takes an extremely insecure person to try to convince themselves and to try to tell everyone they can that a Hyundai is as of high quality as a Mercedes.

It's evidently the same with Nirvana seeds and many Nirvana customers. They cannot afford Mercedes quality seeds but their insecurity causes them to try to convince themselves and others that their Hyundai quality seeds are just as good, if not better.

don't put words in my mouth or presume to know me..refer to my avatar

 

[Feminiseed]

This has been an interesting thread, thanks everyone who added their $0.02

Personally I've had nothing but good experiences with Nirvana, but I kept seeing Brick Top posting about Nirvana threatening to sick LEO on customers... thats a bit too rich for my blood even. Crappy seeds, eh, usually it's people who don't know who to grow in the first place but threatening to rat customers out to the authorities is just low. And I did find a post thru Google from about 5 years back from a customer who posted an e-mail with this threat from Nirvana.

So I asked Alice at Nirvana Shop about this and.... she admitted that it happened (the threats, not the actual ratting people out)!! It was however years ago, back when they had a really sucky and basicaly insane employee working for them (in the dark ages Before Alice). The employee has been fired over making these threats and Nirvana has really stepped up to the plate since and professionalized their service department (as I can confirm, Alice is a total doll). Hope that clears things up on that count at least... Alice was horrified that story is still doing the rounds... she would never do stuff like that.

 

[growone]

This has been an interesting thread, thanks everyone who added their $0.02

Personally I've had nothing but good experiences with Nirvana, but I kept seeing Brick Top posting about Nirvana threatening to sick LEO on customers... thats a bit too rich for my blood even. Crappy seeds, eh, usually it's people who don't know who to grow in the first place but threatening to rat customers out to the authorities is just low. And I did find a post thru Google from about 5 years back from a customer who posted an e-mail with this threat from Nirvana.

So I asked Alice at Nirvana Shop about this and.... she admitted that it happened (the threats, not the actual ratting people out)!! It was however years ago, back when they had a really sucky and basicaly insane employee working for them (in the dark ages Before Alice). The employee has been fired over making these threats and Nirvana has really stepped up to the plate since and professionalized their service department (as I can confirm, Alice is a total doll). Hope that clears things up on that count at least... Alice was horrified that story is still doing the rounds... she would never do stuff like that.

excellent post feminized, this has been my experience with Nirvana also
but this is some good corroboration of BT's comments of Nirvana, at least Nirvana of some years ago
i can understand hard feelings on events like those, though i doubt there was much real danger involved
just some idiot working in the seed business

 

[Brick Top]

don't put words in my mouth or presume to know me..

Don't you just hate that? People do both with me nearly on a daily basis and it does get old, doesn't it?

So, would you prefer to be the pot or the kettle? If you don't mind all that much I would really like too be the pot since I prefer the word pot over kettle.

Originally Posted by robert 14617
lets just say brick top is the all knowing all seeing and his way is the only way and to have any other opinion then his just makes you wrong and we will be done with this , so for us who cant spend the kind of money he does on seed are just idiots ,we just have to see the error of our ways , thank you oh great one all bow to the brick top

Don't feel that you have to bow down to me ... but you may kiss my ring .... the one in the middle of my ass anyway.

 

[robert 14617]

you really are a prince gosh how can i be more like you

 

[Brick Top]

you really are a prince gosh how can i be more like you

I'm sorry to have to break it to you like this, but you can never be like me. The best are born the best, not made to be the best. It is not something that can be taught and learned and practiced and refined until finally achieved.

 

[tingpoon]

I'm sorry to have to break it to you like this, but you can never be like me. The best are born the best, not made to be the best. It is not something that can be taught and learned and practiced and refined until finally achieved.

roflllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll smacked down.
hehehe no but really i was really surprised to hear of nirvana problems in that post, u know sometimes in a big business things can get disorganized once in a while but its not a repeat thing with them. theyre pretty on level with tude in fixing any issues that come up.

 

[Brick Top]

roflllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll smacked down.
hehehe no but really i was really surprised to hear of nirvana problems in that post, u know sometimes in a big business things can get disorganized once in a while but its not a repeat thing with them. theyre pretty on level with tude in fixing any issues that come up.

Having owned three businesses I know that at times the wheels can come off the tracks now and then. My point about Nirvana was that I have hung out on sites like this since they started popping up and I have bought seeds online from about when they first started being offered and over the MANY years I have never read as many complaints or heard as many complaints from people I know or knew or met about any breeder/seed vendor as I have Nirvana. It's not like it was some short period of time where they had one bad employee who they have admitted did threaten to rat out customers. It started long before that and it continues until today. Maybe not as in the same complaints, but still there appears to be a higher percentage of complaints about them, at least if you are a member of and spend time on a number of different growing sites like I do rather than just hang around here where Nirvana is loved and all you get is the perspective of what is a highly limited number of seed buyers.

Another cause for problems with Nirvana over the years, one that I cannot swear is still an ongoing practice, but in one article I read in a growing magazine it said that Nirvana did not actually make their own seeds, that they had people, like us, what might be called outside contractors, making their seeds for them. Again that might not be the case today, but at least at one time it was, and when you do that all quality control goes out the door.

If someone making seeds is slightly less than reputable and they need money they might harvest early resulting in a higher percentage of non-viable seeds ...... and over the years poor germination rates have been common complaints about Nirvana gear. In other cases if someone is making several types of seeds and if they are paid more for some than others if they are less than reputable they might toss in a few handfuls of seeds they are paid less for so the sack of higher paying beans weighs more and they are paid more. That would fit with the many complaints over the years of packs of seeds where the plants were so different that it could not have been just a case of different phenotypes and had to be a case of mixed beans. Even if the mixing of beans was accidental, totally unintentional, when you have outsiders doing your job for you there is no way to maintain any degree of quality control. They are doing it at their location and there is no one looking over their shoulder to catch a possible unintentional error from being made or an intentional error being made.

Again, that might now be a thing of the past but it does fit with many of the complaints over the years of poor germination rates and what had to be packs of mixed strain seeds.

As I said, being the owner of three businesses I know that at times you will have problems. It is absolutely unavoidable. The key though to a quality business is to minimize the number of occurrences of problems and to catch them quickly and solve them and not have complaint after complaint for practically the entire operational existence of your business. When that occurs it points to very shoddy ownership and management who either do not know what they are doing or just do not care because even with continual problems the money keeps rolling in because your marketing is good enough to keep new customers flowing in and good enough to overcome the negative publicity you receive.

 

[theexpress]

you really are a prince gosh how can i be more like you

you already your a much cooler old man then bricktop!!!!!!! plus rep to you my texan friend!

 

[theexpress]

Having owned three businesses I know that at times the wheels can come off the tracks now and then. My point about Nirvana was that I have hung out on sites like this since they started popping up and I have bought seeds online from about when they first started being offered and over the MANY years I have never read as many complaints or heard as many complaints from people I know or knew or met about any breeder/seed vendor as I have Nirvana. It's not like it was some short period of time where they had one bad employee who they have admitted did threaten to rat out customers. It started long before that and it continues until today. Maybe not as in the same complaints, but still there appears to be a higher percentage of complaints about them, at least if you are a member of and spend time on a number of different growing sites like I do rather than just hang around here where Nirvana is loved and all you get is the perspective of what is a highly limited number of seed buyers.

Another cause for problems with Nirvana over the years, one that I cannot swear is still an ongoing practice, but in one article I read in a growing magazine it said that Nirvana did not actually make their own seeds, that they had people, like us, what might be called outside contractors, making their seeds for them. Again that might not be the case today, but at least at one time it was, and when you do that all quality control goes out the door.

If someone making seeds is slightly less than reputable and they need money they might harvest early resulting in a higher percentage of non-viable seeds ...... and over the years poor germination rates have been common complaints about Nirvana gear. In other cases if someone is making several types of seeds and if they are paid more for some than others if they are less than reputable they might toss in a few handfuls of seeds they are paid less for so the sack of higher paying beans weighs more and they are paid more. That would fit with the many complaints over the years of packs of seeds where the plants were so different that it could not have been just a case of different phenotypes and had to be a case of mixed beans. Even if the mixing of beans was accidental, totally unintentional, when you have outsiders doing your job for you there is no way to maintain any degree of quality control. They are doing it at their location and there is no one looking over their shoulder to catch a possible unintentional error from being made or an intentional error being made.

Again, that might now be a thing of the past but it does fit with many of the complaints over the years of poor germination rates and what had to be packs of mixed strain seeds.

As I said, being the owner of three businesses I know that at times you will have problems. It is absolutely unavoidable. The key though to a quality business is to minimize the number of occurrences of problems and to catch them quickly and solve them and not have complaint after complaint for practically the entire operational existence of your business. When that occurs it points to very shoddy ownership and management who either do not know what they are doing or just do not care because even with continual problems the money keeps rolling in because your marketing is good enough to keep new customers flowing in and good enough to overcome the negative publicity you receive.

you more BOREING then watching slugs race!!!!!!!!!!!! go smoke some stringy scwagg and get over yourself...

 

[Serapis]

Here to report that seeds bought from Attitude, Barney's Farm Tangerine Dream 0/5 germination rate. KC Brains Mango bought from EDIT 1/10, NIRVANA NYPD 10/10

Speaks loudly to me.... I never have a Nirvana germination issue, never. regardless of all the crap that BT spouts off against Nirvana, keep in mind he has NEVER bought a single seed from them nor has he ever grown one of their strains, yet he is their loudest critic.... think about that...

NIRVANA rocks.... It is money well spent. I'm not saying all seeds from Attitude and EDIT suck, I'm saying all seeds from Nirvana DON'T.

 

[Brick Top]

you more BOREING then watching slugs race!!!!!!!!!!!! go smoke some stringy scwagg and get over yourself...

Are you my new personal troll that will be stalking me for a while? It appears as if that is the case anyway.

Just because you refuse to accept reality doesn't mean that you need to follow me around responding to things I say with inane off topic remarks.

 

[theexpress]

Are you my new personal troll that will be stalking me for a while? It appears as if that is the case anyway.

Just because you refuse to accept reality doesn't mean that you need to follow me around responding to things I say with inane off topic remarks.

lol@ur reality....... someone suffering from alzheimer's disease

 

[Brick Top]

Here to report that seeds bought from Attitude, Barney's Farm Tangerine Dream 0/5 germination rate. KC Brains Mango bought from EDIT 1/10, NIRVANA NYPD 10/10

Speaks loudly to me.... I never have a Nirvana germination issue, never. regardless of all the crap that BT spouts off against Nirvana, keep in mind he has NEVER bought a single seed from them nor has he ever grown one of their strains, yet he is their loudest critic.... think about that...

NIRVANA rocks.... It is money well spent. I'm not saying all seeds from Attitude and EDIT suck, I'm saying all seeds from Nirvana DON'T.

You do realize that Attitude is only a reseller of seeds that are produced by breeders and if there is a germination problem it is the fault/responsibility of the breeder and not Attitude, or if they were purchased through any other reseller of seeds.

Seedbanks, resellers of breeders seeds, no more make the seeds they sell than Wal-Mart makes the products it sells or a car dealership makes the cars it sells or a stereo and TV store make the products it sells. Just like a seedbannk, a reseller of seeds, they all purchase goods from a manufacturer and then resell them.

If you had germination problems with Barney's Farm Tangerine Dream and KC Brains Mango your complaint should be about Barney's Farm and KC Brains since they produced the seeds that had germination problems. Attitude was only the middleman that first purchased the seeds from the breeders who made them that they later resold to you, just as Hemp Depot would be or any other seedbank, resellers of breeders seeds.