lets just say brick top is the all knowing all seeing and his way is the only way and to have any other opinion then his just makes you wrong and we will be done with this , so for us who cant spend the kind of money he does on seed are just idiots ,we just have to see the error of our ways , thank you oh great one all bow to the brick top
I cannot help but wonder why being told the truth is so painful too you and too so many others?
Possibly like so many others here you take impersonal things and make them personal and then make yourself feel offended or insulted or belittled.
If all someone can afford to drive is a Hyundai, then they drive a Hyundai. But it takes an extremely insecure person to try to convince themselves and to try to tell everyone they can that a Hyundai is as of high quality as a Mercedes.
It's evidently the same with Nirvana seeds and many Nirvana customers. They cannot afford Mercedes quality seeds but their insecurity causes them to try to convince themselves and others that their Hyundai quality seeds are just as good, if not better.
To just spread the truth would be to post some facts and let others make a decision. Not sit in these threads doing the above stated B.S. that you so regularly do.
I can't believe the energy you are putting into this BT.
I cannot help but wonder why being told the truth is so painful too you and too so many others?
Possibly like so many others here you take impersonal things and make them personal and then make yourself feel offended or insulted or belittled.
If all someone can afford to drive is a Hyundai, then they drive a Hyundai. But it takes an extremely insecure person to try to convince themselves and to try to tell everyone they can that a Hyundai is as of high quality as a Mercedes.
It's evidently the same with Nirvana seeds and many Nirvana customers. They cannot afford Mercedes quality seeds but their insecurity causes them to try to convince themselves and others that their Hyundai quality seeds are just as good, if not better.
This has been an interesting thread, thanks everyone who added their $0.02
Personally I've had nothing but good experiences with Nirvana, but I kept seeing Brick Top posting about Nirvana threatening to sick LEO on customers... thats a bit too rich for my blood even. Crappy seeds, eh, usually it's people who don't know who to grow in the first place but threatening to rat customers out to the authorities is just low. And I did find a post thru Google from about 5 years back from a customer who posted an e-mail with this threat from Nirvana.
So I asked Alice at Nirvana Shop about this and.... she admitted that it happened (the threats, not the actual ratting people out)!! It was however years ago, back when they had a really sucky and basicaly insane employee working for them (in the dark ages Before Alice). The employee has been fired over making these threats and Nirvana has really stepped up to the plate since and professionalized their service department (as I can confirm, Alice is a total doll). Hope that clears things up on that count at least... Alice was horrified that story is still doing the rounds... she would never do stuff like that.
don't put words in my mouth or presume to know me..
Originally Posted by robert 14617![]()
lets just say brick top is the all knowing all seeing and his way is the only way and to have any other opinion then his just makes you wrong and we will be done with this , so for us who cant spend the kind of money he does on seed are just idiots ,we just have to see the error of our ways , thank you oh great one all bow to the brick top
you really are a prince gosh how can i be more like you
I'm sorry to have to break it to you like this, but you can never be like me. The best are born the best, not made to be the best. It is not something that can be taught and learned and practiced and refined until finally achieved.
roflllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll smacked down.
hehehe no but really i was really surprised to hear of nirvana problems in that post, u know sometimes in a big business things can get disorganized once in a while but its not a repeat thing with them. theyre pretty on level with tude in fixing any issues that come up.![]()
you really are a prince gosh how can i be more like you
Having owned three businesses I know that at times the wheels can come off the tracks now and then. My point about Nirvana was that I have hung out on sites like this since they started popping up and I have bought seeds online from about when they first started being offered and over the MANY years I have never read as many complaints or heard as many complaints from people I know or knew or met about any breeder/seed vendor as I have Nirvana. It's not like it was some short period of time where they had one bad employee who they have admitted did threaten to rat out customers. It started long before that and it continues until today. Maybe not as in the same complaints, but still there appears to be a higher percentage of complaints about them, at least if you are a member of and spend time on a number of different growing sites like I do rather than just hang around here where Nirvana is loved and all you get is the perspective of what is a highly limited number of seed buyers.
Another cause for problems with Nirvana over the years, one that I cannot swear is still an ongoing practice, but in one article I read in a growing magazine it said that Nirvana did not actually make their own seeds, that they had people, like us, what might be called outside contractors, making their seeds for them. Again that might not be the case today, but at least at one time it was, and when you do that all quality control goes out the door.
If someone making seeds is slightly less than reputable and they need money they might harvest early resulting in a higher percentage of non-viable seeds ...... and over the years poor germination rates have been common complaints about Nirvana gear. In other cases if someone is making several types of seeds and if they are paid more for some than others if they are less than reputable they might toss in a few handfuls of seeds they are paid less for so the sack of higher paying beans weighs more and they are paid more. That would fit with the many complaints over the years of packs of seeds where the plants were so different that it could not have been just a case of different phenotypes and had to be a case of mixed beans. Even if the mixing of beans was accidental, totally unintentional, when you have outsiders doing your job for you there is no way to maintain any degree of quality control. They are doing it at their location and there is no one looking over their shoulder to catch a possible unintentional error from being made or an intentional error being made.
Again, that might now be a thing of the past but it does fit with many of the complaints over the years of poor germination rates and what had to be packs of mixed strain seeds.
As I said, being the owner of three businesses I know that at times you will have problems. It is absolutely unavoidable. The key though to a quality business is to minimize the number of occurrences of problems and to catch them quickly and solve them and not have complaint after complaint for practically the entire operational existence of your business. When that occurs it points to very shoddy ownership and management who either do not know what they are doing or just do not care because even with continual problems the money keeps rolling in because your marketing is good enough to keep new customers flowing in and good enough to overcome the negative publicity you receive.
you more BOREING then watching slugs race!!!!!!!!!!!! go smoke some stringy scwagg and get over yourself...
Are you my new personal troll that will be stalking me for a while? It appears as if that is the case anyway.
Just because you refuse to accept reality doesn't mean that you need to follow me around responding to things I say with inane off topic remarks.
Here to report that seeds bought from Attitude, Barney's Farm Tangerine Dream 0/5 germination rate. KC Brains Mango bought from EDIT 1/10, NIRVANA NYPD 10/10
Speaks loudly to me.... I never have a Nirvana germination issue, never. regardless of all the crap that BT spouts off against Nirvana, keep in mind he has NEVER bought a single seed from them nor has he ever grown one of their strains, yet he is their loudest critic.... think about that...
NIRVANA rocks.... It is money well spent. I'm not saying all seeds from Attitude and EDIT suck, I'm saying all seeds from Nirvana DON'T.