The Grow Shack

bekindbud

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This explains why the perlite on the top of my pro mix is always so dark. I use humic acid and fish emulsion every feeding and oregonism every other feeding. I MIR (RO Water) with 2x - 3x my feed volume in between every feed (thanks to smart pots helping my root-balls dry faster). They also get 2 doses of Guano: 1 dose of grow at week 1 flower and 1 dose of bloom at week 4 flower.
Rasp, quick question and pardon my noobness....the Guano is what you use for "N"? If so then thats all it needs for the whole life is 2 feedings of Guano or am I way off bro? I think I read that Guano are mostly "N" and I think they can be time released too? Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks

Peace

BKB
 

rasputin71

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Rasp, quick question and pardon my noobness....the Guano is what you use for "N"? If so then thats all it needs for the whole life is 2 feedings of Guano or am I way off bro? I think I read that Guano are mostly "N" and I think they can be time released too? Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks

Peace

BKB
I am noob also, but I have seen others that use supplemental guano at week 1 and week 4/5 of flower. I use pro mix and feed with the full line of GO nutes, which includes BioMarine (fish emulsion) and DiamondBlack (humic acid). I was using only 'Grow' guano for both but I just grabbed some 'Bloom' guano to use for the 2nd doses.


Bat Guano Grow 10-2-1 - http://www.hydro-organics.com/home/index.php?productID=698

Volcano Bat Guano Bloom 0-8-1 - http://www.hydro-organics.com/home/index.php?productID=700
 

kingofqueen

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Interesting guys . Problems I am noticing since I switched to Soiless . For one b4 I was using Happy frog and mixing in EWC,bat gauno, kelp meal ,and all purpose granular nute . Then I would just feed lightly with urea based feed . Never any defiencys .

Now I'm using Sunshine Mix and only adding dolomite lime 1 tbsp to a gallon . I'm having a bad what appears to be a calcium def . It hit my cheese quake and Flo the worst . I have topdressed all my plants now with additional Lime . The lime I use Hi-Yield has 21% water soluble calcium . Shouldn't this correct the problem ?
Any Ideas ? Should I be ammending the soiless mix as I was the Happy Frog ? My thoughts was I shouldn't have to since switching to chem nutes ? I'm using the Jacks Duo , DynaGro Mag-Pro and Protek . I also have Liquid Karma and Age Old liquid Grow and Bloom . I thought I'd also mention that Medibud is almost finished but is now showed the calcium def also . Any help here would be appreciated as I'm learning how to use these new methods . :)

 

rasputin71

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Tap or RO water? Do you test pH? I had massive Mag deficiency problems caused by the chloramine in my tap water, but I am basically clueless about all these nute issues.
 

Illumination

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Interesting guys . Problems I am noticing since I switched to Soiless . For one b4 I was using Happy frog and mixing in EWC,bat gauno, kelp meal ,and all purpose granular nute . Then I would just feed lightly with urea based feed . Never any defiencys .

Now I'm using Sunshine Mix and only adding dolomite lime 1 tbsp to a gallon . I'm having a bad what appears to be a calcium def . It hit my cheese quake and Flo the worst . I have topdressed all my plants now with additional Lime . The lime I use Hi-Yield has 21% water soluble calcium . Shouldn't this correct the problem ?
Any Ideas ? Should I be ammending the soiless mix as I was the Happy Frog ? My thoughts was I shouldn't have to since switching to chem nutes ? I'm using the Jacks Duo , DynaGro Mag-Pro and Protek . I also have Liquid Karma and Age Old liquid Grow and Bloom . I thought I'd also mention that Medibud is almost finished but is now showed the calcium def also . Any help here would be appreciated as I'm learning how to use these new methods . :)

I agree as to the ro water.....ro seems to be how to be in complete control

You will almost always need to add cal mag to your feeds....as the lime is for the most part ph control...it breaks down VERY slowly after all, it is only ground up limestone....rock...and rocks breakdown slowly to provide mineral however its presence alters the "chemistry" of the soil and keeps ph from tumbling....but does little in the way of supplying cal and mag in a useable form for the plant

So you need either the dynagro series with magpro or some form of cal mag supplement...I have Dynagro's complete line of nutes and Botanicaire's cal mag plus....

None of what you listed as nutes contain any cal my friend...

hope it helps


Namaste':leaf:

ps- also since you are using protekt which is silica and POTASSIUM (K) this requires a raised level of cal and mag as increased levels of (K) will interfere with the availability of cal-mag and vice versa...also na (sodium) and cal levels need to be proportionate for the cal to be available to the plant in a useful form...most supplements take this into account
 

kingofqueen

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I agree as to the ro water.....ro seems to be how to be in complete control

You will almost always need to add cal mag to your feeds....as the lime is for the most part ph control...it breaks down VERY slowly after all, it is only ground up limestone....rock...and rocks breakdown slowly to provide mineral however its presence alters the "chemistry" of the soil and keeps ph from tumbling....but does little in the way of supplying cal and mag in a useable form for the plant

So you need either the dynagro series with magpro or some form of cal mag supplement...I have Dynagro's complete line of nutes and Botanicaire's cal mag plus....

None of what you listed as nutes contain any cal my friend...

hope it helps


Namaste':leaf:

ps- also since you are using protekt which is silica and POTASSIUM (K) this requires a raised level of cal and mag as increased levels of (K) will interfere with the availability of cal-mag and vice versa...also na (sodium) and cal levels need to be proportionate for the cal to be available to the plant in a useful form...most supplements take this into account
Okay that does make sense . I was using RO water . Now I'm using tap . The thing is though some plants are unaffected and thriving . My tap does not have Chloramine . I've been incorporating Mag-Pro when I can . Guess I need to use it every time . Or mabey fine a Cal/mag supplement without NPK numbers . I don't know if mag pro screws with the NPK or not .
 

kingofqueen

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Tap or RO water? Do you test pH? I had massive Mag deficiency problems caused by the chloramine in my tap water, but I am basically clueless about all these nute issues.
Tap water no chloramine , I always PH test . This is what I thought was a sulper deficiency but turns out it's calcium .
 

Illumination

New Member
Okay that does make sense . I was using RO water . Now I'm using tap . The thing is though some plants are unaffected and thriving . My tap does not have Chloramine . I've been incorporating Mag-Pro when I can . Guess I need to use it every time . Or mabey fine a Cal/mag supplement without NPK numbers . I don't know if mag pro screws with the NPK or not .

Mag-pro is 2-15-6 or there abouts so yes it will skew npk ratios.... the Botanicaire cal mag plus is 2-0-0 so will skew things little as far as npk....a quart should be about $15.... the mag pro will be very useful with the DG regimen as the bloom and foliage or grow do contain cal and some mag and the magpro will help trich production in flower thanx to the sulphur...I thought it strange that you had a sulphur deficiency as it is very rare as most ferts even though they do not list it contain it...it is more of a by product from the other elements changing forms

I am not familiar with the use of Age Old but doubt it contains cal....that is why theres is a pronounced cal def...none of your ferts contain it plus the other notations I addressed earlier

Namaste':leaf:
 

rasputin71

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Tap water no chloramine , I always PH test . This is what I thought was a sulper deficiency but turns out it's calcium .
I have only used my pH meter twice since I went to RO water, just to be sure I didn't need to use it anymore. :hump:

I am planning to get my own RO filter for the laundry room this summer so I dont have to haul 6 x 3ga jugs to Kroger every week.
 

bekindbud

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Rasp thanks for the Guano info, I too am still trying to learn this nute thing. It seems that the only way I learn is when I have a problem with my plant. Just recently my Jack that I thought I nute burned wasnt even that, it was my pH being a little out of wack and I read up on Calcium Def and I must of had a Cal/Mag problem, I added Cal/Mag to her and it worked she is back on track. My question is can Tap water change with seasonal change? I always used Tap Water for MIR and then I would use my filter on my faucet for Nute mix. Damn I just realized I might need to change out my filter,LOL:wall:

KoQ sorry for asking so many questions on your thread, not trying to jack it or anything, just trying to pick these guy's and lady's brains.

Peace

BKB
 

kingofqueen

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I have only used my pH meter twice since I went to RO water, just to be sure I didn't need to use it anymore. :hump:

I am planning to get my own RO filter for the laundry room this summer so I dont have to haul 6 x 3ga jugs to Kroger every week.
That's the only way I'll go back to Ro , is buying an RO system . I'm dun hauling water to and fro . I researched chloramine and my tap doesn't have it . Mine is chlorine . I made an earlier post on how to detect chloramine . :)
 

kingofqueen

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No worries man , It gives me traffic and we are having similar problems , so I'm learning here too. Thats my problem is figuring out this nute deal too . before my soil had everything needed and I never had deficiencies . I'm fighting the calcium deal now .
 

kingofqueen

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Mag-pro is 2-15-6 or there abouts so yes it will skew npk ratios.... the Botanicaire cal mag plus is 2-0-0 so will skew things little as far as npk....a quart should be about $15.... the mag pro will be very useful with the DG regimen as the bloom and foliage or grow do contain cal and some mag and the magpro will help trich production in flower thanx to the sulphur...I thought it strange that you had a sulphur deficiency as it is very rare as most ferts even though they do not list it contain it...it is more of a by product from the other elements changing forms

I am not familiar with the use of Age Old but doubt it contains cal....that is why theres is a pronounced cal def...none of your ferts contain it plus the other notations I addressed earlier

Namaste':leaf:
Right on man . It wasn't sulper I should have posted a pic . It is calcium . That botainacare cal/mag sounds good having only 2 % N . I did forget to mention molassas . Before I was using it in greater amounts , do you think that mabey that was covering my calcium b4 ? Or is the calcium in molassas not readily availible ? Here's some shots of my affected leaves .

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Illumination

New Member
Rasp thanks for the Guano info, I too am still trying to learn this nute thing. It seems that the only way I learn is when I have a problem with my plant. Just recently my Jack that I thought I nute burned wasnt even that, it was my pH being a little out of wack and I read up on Calcium Def and I must of had a Cal/Mag problem, I added Cal/Mag to her and it worked she is back on track. My question is can Tap water change with seasonal change? I always used Tap Water for MIR and then I would use my filter on my faucet for Nute mix. Damn I just realized I might need to change out my filter,LOL:wall:

KoQ sorry for asking so many questions on your thread, not trying to jack it or anything, just trying to pick these guy's and lady's brains.

Peace

BKB
Well it seems to me that ro water solves alot of problems including ph but also it allows you complete control ofwhat they are actually getting....and yes my tap fluctuates wildly as to ph and ppm
 

kingofqueen

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After doing some reading I'm thinking about adjusting my soil mix . I dont think I'm feeding the herd . So I think going 75% soiless , 25% Happy Frog and cut that with 30% perlite ,and add the EWC and kelp back. I think this will help with breakdown of some key nutrients for root uptake versus what I got now because it seems to accur shortly after transplanting from HF to SS Mix . I'm still looking for calcium availibility from molassas as to whether or not to buy a cal/mag product .
 

kingofqueen

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I was just reading that calcium gets locked out with a ph above 5.8 in a soiless meadium. What PH should I be at in soiless ? I think this my be my damn problem any clues anybody ? I think mabey my PH is too high for this light of a mix . 50/50 sunshine mix and perlite .

So basically with this mix the realm of hydro ph as been entered . After more thought I was fine until the SS mix , the plants that transplanted from a 3g with Happy Frogs is fine too. They ones in all soiless take a nose dive fast into a calcium defiencency . So these plants will get nothing above 5.8 and we shall see if they improve . Kinda makes you think if this is all right how light to mix your soil if your gonna make it rain . You will always have to have a PH of rain ??
 

kingofqueen

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All the research I did about Pro Mix suggested 6.0 - 6.3, IIRC. Sorta half-way between what is suggested for hydro and soil pH.

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That PH value for the Pro Mix may because of the myco they put in it now . I have no doubts about this considering my medium as noted . Just picked up some ro to be safe and am watering them at 5.8 . Half soiless and half perlite is far from soil and more like hydro as far as PH is concerned . I will beat this !
 

Illumination

New Member
too much concern with ph my friend...in soil or soiless it is VERY VERY RARE that ph is the issue...it is simply no cal in your nutes....and ground rock regardless of what the bag says will take forever to provide enough available calcium...with the calcium content in your medium you will NEVER maintain 5.8 ph nor do you want to....just supply soluble cal mag supplements and stop over thinking this...almost everyone must supplement cal mag for cannabis...read the grows you will see how very common this problem is

Namaste':leaf:
 
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