Round 2 - Its about time. A [Soil - CFL - Closet] Grow

Brokenhope420

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I am going to Lowes today, hopefully I will find it haha.

Pictures later, now I have a few more questions.

I am planning on flowering my main plant almost on day 60 [I will figure out exactly what day today is when I take pictures and post the stats], and flowering the plants that are 12 days younger than the main (and VERY small for their age), and also flowering 3 of my sprouts 8 days old as an experiment [I may end up flowering all the sprouts (possibly under the floro), depending on if I am able to seal all the light from the floro (because the floro is pretty close to the main CFL setup, however the floro is not very high above the table that has the floro setup on it, so in its current state the floro hardly lights the plants that I will be flowering at all, it would not be difficult to achieve total darkness where the flowering plants will be... we will see.]

But anyways, so there will be small, young plants flowering, should I go straight to the half strength flowering nutes on all of them? or just the older plants (the 2month old one, and ones that are 12 days younger than that one)?
The older ones have just recently been givin roughly half strength Shultz plant food, I haven't had any signs of nute burn so far, only problems I have been having is drooping and leafs dieing, and the fact they are all small, I think I am still under watering, though after the last watering they perked up and theres some new growth on the main plant (since like 4 days), so is it alright to go from 1/2 str veg nutes, to 1/2 str flowering nutes, I am getting ready to flower.

how soon after starting the flowering nutes should I induce 12/12 to flower?

PS:
Flowering is where my first grow messed up, however on my first grow I flowering at day 40 something, and had not given any of the plants any nutes or food, the plants were in flowering for over a month and never showed gender. I hope this doesn't happen again.

So if you have any helpful advice on what I should be doing while getting ready for flowering and when starting flowering, please post it, or any helpful links, I really haven't done enough reading on flowering and I need too, I am gonna google later as well, but its always better to hear things from fellow roll it up growers :D.
 

Brokenhope420

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Heres a nice formatted post of info on everything...

Summing Up What Is Going On - Please Read I Have ?'s


Summed Up Questions
- I seriously need help on these, theres only 1 plant thats being flowered at normal time, and I don't know how to nute the others. I have never flowered successfully, I don't want this messed up again, I have done reading but I always have problems.

Plants Being FloweredIn 8-9 Days From Today
(The Day # posted is what day the plant will be on in 8 or 9 days when flowering is induced, all the other information is current)

The format below is: Plant Name or Group Of Plants Name -- Day # -- Size -- Soil Mix -- Brief watering history -- Its lighting history up to this point -- size of pot/ container that it is
  • Beta - Day 60 - Foot tall, 2 heads roughly 9 to 11 nodes bottom to top - Miracle Grow Potting Soil & Some Dollar General Potting Soil Mixed In - Has been underwatered which lead to it being small and drooping, problem fixed currently though. Watering now with 1/2 strength Shultz Plant food (veg nutes). - Many CFLs lighting the plant from all directions, 5 or 6 of them are within 2 inches, this plant has had the best lighting out of all the plants throughout my grow. - Roughly a gallon maybe slightly more.
  • Triplist - Day 48 - Three plants in 1 pot, they are drooping and small, not past 5th node - Miracle Grow Potting Soil - Watering as normal, soil never drains MG absorbs the water too well. Water may not be reaching the roots further down, should I flood it? I have watered it with the same nuted water as Beta - Always has been under CFLs decent lighting just recently moved further from the lights to accommodate Beta better and I could not fit the box that this one sits on near the lights but I am fixing it later. - Roughly a gallon.
  • Dieing Puffy - Day 48 - Looks like a bush, short for its age but its nodes are very close together and it really puffs out. - Miracle Grow Potting Soil - Has had underwatering problems, leading to major drooping and slow growth, last heavy watering fixed it and it perked up, the soil did not drain either. Watering with same nuted water as the others. - Used to be under CFLs, then moved under 1 CFL, and for the last 2 weeks or so its been under the floro, less than an inch away, but no heat stress - 16oz red cup, with 2 holes poked in the bottom size of a nail.
  • Shawty - Day 48 - Very very small, 3rd node maybe, its been growing crooked lately because I accidentally did not center it under the floros, its very "boney" stemys not the word, because the stems are so thin - Miracle Grow Potting Soil - Probably same underwatering problems as all the others. I have been using same nuted water as others - Used to be CFLs then the floros, relatively close to them. - 16oz red cup, 2 holes in the bottom size of a nail hole.
  • Smaller Plants - Day 18 - The smallest of all, currently working on second nodes. - Some in Miracle Grow Others in Sta Green, both potting soil - Huge problems with the watering, read the info on "How The Soils Are Working For Me" below, but I have been stepping up how much I water, when I do water every 3 days, I haven't had over-watering problems; so I am going to push how much I normally use. I water them with non-nuted water, that does get very slight contamination with veg nutes because I use the same bottle cap on nuted water and non-nuted, has not caused any sort of problems whatsoever, the smaller plants are healthy and green. - Spread under the floroecent T-12, 2 40w 6500k bulbs, the surface is slanted in some parts, taller plants on the shorter end, shorter plants on the higher end, most of them are withn an inch, maybe a bit further.These have been under 18/6 lighting from day 1, is that a problem? is that why they are small? - Peat pots that fit halfway deep into the 16oz cups (the peat pots drain like crazy so theres over an inch from the peat pot to the bottom of the cup for water to drip, so perfect and no mess, and it fits perfect and snug at the top and against the sides), so maybe 8oz in volume, a few others are in 16oz red cups with 2 nail size holes in the bottom for drainage.
The Two SetupsDescribes both setups, the CFL and Floro, and what plants are under which ones.
  • There is 2 Setups - The main setup is the CFL setup, it has a 5 socket vanity strip ghettoly attached to a homemade cardboard reflector with mylar taped ghettoly onto it, currently using boxes to support the hood on both ends, very unsturdy, read my "CFL Setup Problem" paragraph below for more info. It has 7 or 9 26w CFLs, all in Y sockets so the light is well aimed. The spectrum of the CFLs I am not sure of, for all I know, they could all be 2600k, none of the packages gave any information (and I bought them all almost a year ago), they are from several different brands, and a couple of them are Energy Star. There is two pots (4 plants) under this setup, Beta and Triplists (which has the 3). Beta is under most of the CFLs, very close, On the side of Beta theres a lamp with a Y socket, 2 CFLs plugged into that, 1 has a can reflector, it lights the side of Beta VERY well. Triplists sits on the edge of a box, trying to be squeezed under the lights, its missing out on a lot of light right now, I have to fix that. On the right edge under the rigged hood is the square fan, its always on low, its enough to move the leafs on all the plants...
  • The Second Setup AKA Floro Setup or T-12 Setup - On the other side of the wall, further right, is this 4 and a half long setup, a foot wide. Everything is lit by 2 40w 6500k T-12 bulbs under a fixture that has a reflector. The light is very close to the plants, the fixture is parallel to the flat white wall longways, theres a 1 inch gap between the wall and the fixture. On the open side of the fixture I have a long box with mylar taped smoothly across it that I place in the front, almost touching the fixture. (maybe an inch gap at the top between the fixture and the wall)
  • The Hygrometers placement - I put the meter on the edge of one of the more elevated pot under the CFL setup.
  • There is only ONE fan, and it is crap - The fan is blowing in on the CFL setup, I always have it set on low because of how much noise it makes, its square shaped, maybe a foot tall, It is relatively close to the 2 pots under the setup (Beta and Triplists), its facing an angle from the right side of the setups edge, facing inwards, it is touching the cardboard reflector so it is raised as high as possible to blow get some air moving across the CFLs, the plants and CFLs and about the same distance from the fan, so the plants are not getting directly blasted with air around the CFLs. However the fan does not blow very strong when set on low. I can barely feel it to not feel it at all where the plants are, but all the leafs seem to move constantly. When I set the fan to medium: the temperature starts to rise, there is more air moving in, leafs moving much more but not violently, and the fan makes about twice the noise.
  • The Floro Setup, with no fan - I can't find fans anywhere, but heat is not a problem in there, most of the plants under the floro are young, but I really would like to get a fan... I dont even know where I could place it.
  • Temperatures in both - Under the CFL setup temperatures fluctuates, sometimes it will max 90 othertimes max 95-98, it varies on the temperature outside slightly. It sometimes gets down to 72 when the lights are off, but its usually around 80 during lights off. Bottom line, temperatures are too high. But under the floro setup, there is no meter, but it does not get very warm, and its elevation is much lower than the entire CFL setup, 2 feet from the ground, and gets much cooler air to begin with, there has been no heat stress problems under the floro setup ever. The CFL setup has heat stressed plants badly in the past, and lately temperatures have been at there extremes but the plants not stressing as much as you would think for 95 degrees.
Current Problems Quick points
  • Temperature - Are way too high under the CFL setup.
  • Small plants - Everything is small for its age, even the sprouts under the floros, would underwatering them since seedling result in drastically slow growth?
  • Underwatering - I have been keeping at a water every 3 days schedule, but I never watered enough when I did, I have plants that would droop horribly and then I water and they don't look any better, they just don't get worse, but after this last watering, I watered them all more and they perked up quite a bit, I have been underwatering.
  • My Timer - Everytime the timer turns on the lights or switches them off, the timing mechanism on the timer gets offset by 1 minute, meaning every day it gets 2 minutes off. Every week 14 minutes, a month 56 minutes.
Old Problems - What they have been through
  • Very first 3 set of sprouts - Only one made it - I very first started out with 3 sprouts, a month in, 2 had died, I believe Alpha was the one that stopped growing, I transplanted, nothing, it was frozen for like 3 weeks, then it died. Chi grew to a decent size, then stopped, soon after it drooped and yellowed horribly, and I removed it from the lights. Beta was the only one that made it out of those 3, it was the runt of the 3 when they were first sprouting. I can not figure out why Alpha died, or why it stopped growing like that... I believe Chi died because I underwatered it, although I tried to water them all the same, time to time I watered some more than others, not remembering which got the extra water. However when I was starting out, temperatures were very hot, 98 when I first got my hygrometer.
  • The lighting fiasco - During the time of Beta and maybe the plants that are 12 days younger than it, were under some messed up light cycles for a period. When the temperatures were messed up, I got a suggestion here to turn the lights to 45 min/ 12 min off, that went on for about a week before I switch to 18/6, that probably caused problems, and having the lights switch on and off so many times probably dimmed the CFLs.
  • Fluctuating Temperatures - Theres times I open the closet door and leave it open to drop the CFLs setup temperature by about 5 degrees sometimes more, real fast, probably not good, doesn't happen anymore though.

I didn't get this finished but I worked on it like crazy haha, just trying to record every piece of info before I start flowering. Pics later prolly. I did not get the MG Bio Bloom though, I went to Lowes and went to the gardening section where I think the bio bloom would be, I bought the shultz food there, but the same lady was at the desk right next to the nutes, she was there last time I bought stuff there, and it was really weird, I told her I was buying soil for my dad, I didnt know what he wanted, there was snow outside, I had to have an excuse... but I had a crappy pH meter in my hand, and picked up Shultz plant food right infront of her before I left, I previously acted like I was clueless and just needed soil, then later she saw me picking out peat pots... so I did not want her to say anything to me today, I just walked away and bought 3 2700k CFLs for flowering, I will drive my buddy up there tomm and send him in to get the MG Bio Bloom :roll:.
 

Rope Smoker

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I'm not shure but it sounds like you need some kind of exauste on your cfl set up. Hope you get it figured out I'm watching and trying to learn before i start my grow. Good lucke:peace:peace man:peace:
 

Brokenhope420

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Problem, Lowes didnt have any flowering nutes on the shelfs, they guy said maybe in a few weeks it will be out.

Looks like I will be flowering later than day 60 -_-.

They are looking decent though.
 

skunkman98536

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that sux broken!!!

try walmart .. its called bio bloom miracle-grow...

lowes has it man .. trust me they have it!!!

the workers their are fukin retarded they dont know their ass from thier face

theirs to bottles of it they are packaged together
 

Brokenhope420

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Hmm

I searched the Lowes website and found 1 result:
Miracle-Gro®
1.5 Miracle-Gro® Bloom Booster® Plant Food


Is that it? What kinda packaging does it come in?
 

Brokenhope420

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I just bought Miracle Grow Bloom Booster, I checked Lowes, they really didn't have anything, the only plant food for flowering plants was the MG plant food spikes.

At a Walmart I found several plant foods, but this was the closest one I could find...

Its 15-30-15. Should I start watering the bigger plants with that right now before I even have the flowering induced?
 

Brokenhope420

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I will be posting pictures tomorrow. Not a lot has changed except the newer sprouts are growing well...

today was:

Day 57 - on 2/14/8 - Beta
Day 45 - on 2/14/8 - All the other plants, even though they're really small.
Day 17 - on 2/14/8 - All the other small plants under florocents.

The smaller day 17 plants have still been watered with regular water, should I switch to slightly nuted with 10-15-10? I got a moisture meter, and it seems like it works, I felt my soil on my main plant which felt slightly moise 2 inches deep, and it came up with a very dry reading, and if that really is too dry for the plants, then I can't even describe how badly I have been underwatering. When I feel any moisture at all 2 inches down I don't water...

I really don't know how this is going to turn out, but I am completely and utterly lost, I cant find any information on what I should be doing to flower besides 12/12... this is going to get screwed up... I don't even know how to nute, when, or with what. I just watered my main plant thats getting flowered ASAP with stepped up strength on the veg nutes...
 

GiggleGirl

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Hey.
Glad everything is still alive. :)
From everyone I've talked to just keep up with what you are doing, just switch the type of nutes and times of the light. The plant flowers because of the light change... all the rest is gravy.

Keep your spirits up dude-- it's been fine so far!
GG
 

Brokenhope420

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Thanks a lot.

Checking back on my plants, I am feeling a bit better, the 2 droopers, my 2 largest plants, were just deprived of water once again. The watering I gave them perked them right up :). I really gotta stop underwatering, but I am glad they just bounce back like that, both of them looked like they were on death row haha. Pictures in about 15-17 hours.

I hope to flower on day 60. I actually think now my first grow died at flowering because I underwatered it, I am sure of it. Wow, this entire grow ive been blaming CFLs, and the MG, I have been no doubt underwatering badly haha.
 

Brokenhope420

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Picture Time!

Day 59 - on 2/16/8 - Beta
Day 47 - on 2/16/8 - Shawty, Triplists, Dieing Puffy.
Day 19 - on 2/16/8 - Everything under floros except shawty and dieing puffy.

All the plants under the floros need to be transplanted, a lot of them are in peat pots inside the red cups, and have outgrown it. Most will be going in 2 liters later, the others in a few pots. Not looking bad?

Triplists is about to die, what a shame, I don't know what is wrong... I did prune it yesterday though, all the dead leafs that just came off, I watered it good yesterday about 10-15oz of water (it wasn't left out for a day either, only about 4 hours...), but as usuall it did not drain.

I switch to flowering nutes tomorrow, if I am able to find a new timer... I think I will check Walmart first then Lowes, my current timer is not 100% dead on accurate, lately its been better, but time to time it gets off by a few minutes.

please comment on the pictures :D.
 

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Brokenhope420

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I would say a foot, it hasn't grown much taller lately since its so close to the lights up top now... the top of it is looking odd too, where the new growth is coming in. Maybe heat stress since thats where it is closest to the lights and the temperature is already normally around 90, sometimes higher...

I will measure with the tape measure when I find it XD.
 

Brokenhope420

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anymore comments on the pictures 2 posts above?

I think the 3 plants in that one pot are about dead.

Problem, the lights currently go off at 11 am, til 5pm. I need to switch over to 12/12 during the next lights off cycle, which will be awhile, lights are off right now. So I do have some time... but the next dark cycle will be 12 hours not 6. That doesn't work with my schedule, I cannot have the lights on 11pm to 11am, and off 11am to 11pm, I will never see the plants. I have to switch what time the lights go off.

I would prefer something like 11am to 11pm on, 11pm to 11am off, opposite of what I have.

I just don't want to screw the delicate 12/12 up by confusing it with an altered lighting cycle.

I was thinking the best solution would be to skip the next 11am to 5pm cycle of lights off, so they get an extra 12 hours of light, and then at 11pm they go out for 12 hours, followed by 12 on, etc... 12/12.

So today they would have had
18/6
tomm: 24/0
next: 12/12
then on: 12/12

I really need advice, or at least a lil feedback on my idea... because I am a lil worried. My first grow died when I switch the lights over to 12/12, month later no signs of sex, and theyre dead.
 

HoLE

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don't give up on em,,the ones in the white pail look heat stressed,,the one in the green pail needs a bigger home,,c'mon Broken,,some simple transplants are gonna help big time,,those ones in the red cups,,transplant now,,before they look like the one in the green pail,,a lil effort will go a long way man,,good luck till the end

Keep on Growin

HoLE
 

Brokenhope420

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They probably all are heat stressed, still have bad temperature problems. High of about 95 everday, low in the mid 70's. The humidity never gets above Low% either (Low% = 20% and less)

I really can't transplant them, the ones in the pots (my main one Beta, and the three in the one pot). I have bigger containers, but I would never get the plant out of its current one. Seriously I about kill my plants everytime getting them out of simple red cups...

for me getting a plant out of a red cup takes me maybe 15 minutes, and when its all out and replanted, I have about an hour of cleaning to do because of the huge mess... and thats just a small 16oz cup. (Now I transplant plants in red cups by cutting the bottom off with a razor and pushing from the bottom to get it out)...

Actually, just remembered I have transplanted out of one of those pots before, the one Beta is in, it was a N-I-G-H-T-M-A-R-E, now I am remembering, my first grow, that is when I decided I would never do that again, my transplant out of the red cups would always be into the final container...

The red cup ones are going into 2 liters later, and the 2 bigger ones in red cups will each get a pot I bought, I think its 8 in diameter at the top.


What I am most worried about with transplanting my main plant Beta is that it will be its death sentence. Its about to go into flowering, and I have already had countless problems watering it enough... if I transplanted it today, started flowering tomorrow, I would think it would be in shock from the transplant... and the bigger bucket I have I would say is 10 gallons, my first grows plants died in that, probably underwatering... since I have had so many underwatering problems already, I really can see that happening again...

thanks for your reply. I may think about a transplant for Beta. Triplists, the 3 in one pot I really don't care about at all, for day 45 they look like crap, they were an experiment to begin with anyways. The plants under the floros are looking sooo much better, I would say my healthiest biggest plants for there age I have ever had :D. I am finally watering them correctly too, and they are growing pretty quickly.
 

Brokenhope420

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Haha alright... so yesterday I did some transplanting.

Dieing Puffy, and Shawty both went in pots, soil was miracle grow.

Then I put 3 of my bigger plants each in a 2 liter, miracle grow and dollar general mixed. I ran out of soil on the last one and wasnt able to get soil all the way around the peat pot - getting more today.

Everything was watered again, even though some of the smaller ones hadn't fully dried.

Some of the 3 weekers got nuted water (with the veg nutes).

Then I mixed up a 20oz bottle of water that sat out 6 hours about, mixed it with 1/4 tsp of MG bloom booster (I could not figure out how much to use... since I am using a 20oz bottle, not a gallon, and the package said big scooper for a gallon, the scooper has 1.5TBs side, and .5 tsp side, the .5 tsp side is marked for indoor... so I tried to get roughly half of the small side.), I watered Beta with that, finished off the bottle on it, and for the first time ever, the bucket drained... and made a big ol mess haha.

Betas looking better for the most part.

All the transplanted ones are looking fuckn nice.

I am looking to figure out how to cover light up from the veg setup.

12 off should start later on if I finish getting everything ready.

I am not sure which plants I want to flower though, Beta for sure... but which others.
 
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