I believe what was in one of my messages said; "Why was there all the back and forth between DD and Greenthumb?" The world personal was not used because it was in emails, emails that were posted.
Emails between doubled and Dr. Greenthumb
No actually here is what you said....
1. Why did Greenthumb come out and say that he got the cut directly from DD, say he personally talked to DD, and had paid DD $25,000?
2. Why was there all of the back and forth between DD and Greenthumb?
3. How can you believe this apology after all that was said between Dr. Greenthumb and DD?
4. Why would Shanti and Nevil believe that the cutting doesn't exist anymore if one of Nevil's close friends has the cut?
5. Why wouldn't Shanti and Neville still have the cut if it really was still around and kept by one of Nevil's freinds?
6. When did G13 turn into a high yielding fruity strain?
Notice in point # 1 you say Doc "personally talked to DD"...
There were some going on about it, having ignored my attempt to reason with people to drop it, and since they were still going on about it I ran across another piece of information that shed more light on the topic, so I posted it. Since then they have been on me like white on rice, which has included making up absolute total lies about me and or what I have said, so while I intended to add one piece of information for them so they might have a more clear picture of things and finally give up their last stand, I got sucked back in, and if there is one thing about me, if I am taunted, like repeatedly being called things like; "a twat" and; "a pest" and lied about, I am not going to just sit here and let it pass.
Actually the thread was dead for a few days when someone posted up again you started in with what looks to be personl vendetta and on and on you go. In my opinion your excuse is very bad and it doesnt fool me.
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That is a MAJOR swerve, and a highly incorrect example. If Iraq had been about oil and the U.S. was going to take it all or most of it and monetarily rape the Iraqis then why are gasoline prices so much higher now that we allegedly have access to vast reserves of crude oil that is anywhere from cheap to free? If the U.S. were taking Iraqi oil, for free or paying pennies on the dollar for it, gasoline prices could be half or less what they are now and the oil companies would still be raking in record profits.
Do you really think i was trying to debate the Iraq war? It was used as an example of how stories change and people use excuses to cover true intentions.
That is something of a misrepresentation of things, or at least my part it them. I did say it was time to end the exchange, and I said little to nothing more for a while, so I was not involved in all the pages you mentioned, as if inferring I was continually involved. And you left out that others did not stop and they kept saying the same old inaccuracies, which evidently you do not mind because you want to believe that Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is real. As I said, I found one more piece of information that I posted in hopes of those still clinging to the fantasy would read it and decide it was time to end their futile attempt to talk something into being something it is not and something it never will be. That failed and instead those people, and possibly more, and been nipping at me like a pack of hungry wolves ever since, and I have replied to what they have said, in particular to the flat out lies some made up.
One problem with the new information you posted is it doesnt seem to have an author. You post it up and say who its from but I still havent seen a signature on it or a link to where i can read it for myself. You also asume that I " want to believe" his g13 s real. Please find my post where i said either way if its real or not...my problem with this thread has always been the way its being handled. I was accused, as well as a number of others of being spammers and such, I also see alot of opinion being passed as fact. A lot of reading into posts and drawing conclusions and again, passing it as fact. Does anybody know what emperical evidence is anymore. I have seen none of it here...just conclusions based on old posts and gut feelings.
Has the point those who never stopped and who continued to claim it to be the real G13 been made yet? Why are you not pointing a finger at those people and drawing attention to how I attempted to get this to end and then stayed out of it for a while, but they continued on and on and on. Am I the bad guy because I attempted to end the argument, failed too do so but still stayed out of it a while before getting back into the still ongoing discussion being perpetuated by the propagandists attempting to make people believe that Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is real, but those who never stopped, those who ignored my attempt to end things, those who have since insisted on taking this to a personal level and have relied on calling me; "a twat" and: "a pest" and have flat out lied about me are the good guys in this exchange. They are not any problem. They have never said or done anything that bothers you or that you see as having gone too far. That you fully support them, you back them and their efforts with your intentional silence about and non-involvement in what they continued to say and what they have said since I returned.
And to think you called me a hypocrite.
Yes i did and still do.
How many times are you going to post the Ag story...this isnt the only thread ive read it on. Have you made your point yet? And for the record I wish people would stop calling you "twat" and that kind of crap....it doesnt help this at all.
But you did kind of bring it on yourself by calling for an end and then getting back into it with a vengence.
How many more pages will those who insist that Dr. Greenthumb is or has to be real need? Are they allowed more of a say or more space or more messages than I am?
No they are not...but they didnt call for an end....can you please just answer a question?
I have made my point very clearly, repeatedly, but some refuse to accept it and reply with more opinion and claims and rumor and gossip and hearsay, so I reply to them yet again trying to get them to finally understand what was clearly stated over and over again but they either totally missed or just refused to accept.
My point exactly...you have made yourself clear, REPEATDLY. Just accept that they dont accept it. But the truth is...there is no way for me to know if you are lying about it or not. So, what you are posting can/could look to be the heresay you mention. Can you post a picture of Docs AG, or any Ag you have grown in the past? Im guessing you would have done so already if you had them...so...as SOME say on this thread, if you cant post a picture then you must be lying. Or at least thats the standard of proof that the Greenthumb "spammers" have been held to...whats good for the goose, etc. It seems that you think if you say it it is 'clear proof' then it is. but what have you posted but copy and paste words? Present evidence that would hold up in court before you call it proof please.
That is what I said last time, and then I stayed away from the thread and only made the error of checking back in and seeing the same discussion was still going on and posted one very good piece of information from a highly credible source, and once again found myself stuck in the quicksand. So last time I was the voice of reason and I was the one to walk away.
Well, this time you convince all those who are claiming that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is real to give it up and to walk away first this time ... and then I will follow right behind them. There is no reason I should have to go first twice. Convince the other side of the exchange to be first to stop, and I will then do the very same thing.
Good point..but i didnt try to end this in the way that you did in the first place. Im just trying to get you to be true to your word and really want to know what in this for you...it doesnt make sense. So now you want me to do what you couldnt do yourself? Not my job dude and you are not my boss and dont get to decide what I do. Why do i have to do anything to get you to keep your word or to at least walk the walk you talk.
That is totally absurd. If anything along those lines is happening it is clear it could only be that those who keep claiming that Dr. Greenthumb's fake G13 is real are on Dr. Greenthumb's payroll and getting free beans or large discounts or something for their efforts to help propagandize buyers that his fugazi strain is an original diamond.
You have resorted to lying now too. You made a statement to plant a seed of doubt or curiosity in people and you followed it up by asking a question worded in a way to make it sound like your inferred seed of doubt was factual.
I do not work for any seed company. I retired at the age of 49 and I have no need, or desire, to attempt to pimp anyone's seeds to then receive free seeds or some form of payment in return.
You allegation is beyond absurd when you consider all that I have said. If I were to be working for some breeder that breeder would want, and expect, to profit at least somewhat from my efforts since, according to your lie, I am receiving some sort of payment for what I am doing. For that to happen I would have to be saying things like, Dr. Greenthumb's G13 is at best a hybrid and if you are going to purchase a G13 hybrid you should purchase a good one, one that is tried and true, one like breeder X offers, so you would be smart to purchase his G13 x whatever rather than Dr. Greenthumb's either total fake G13 or hybrid that he is lying about and claiming to be pure.
You haven't seen me mention any other breeder's name, have you? Nope, you haven't. Possibly what I have said has caused a few people to not waste their money on a fake G13 but that does not mean they did not instead just purchase some other Dr. Greenthumb strain ... and if they chose some other breeder, considering how many there are to pick from these days, over 90 of them on Attitude alone, what, without me steering them to a certain breeder, would be the odd that they would by chance pick the breeder that you are attempting to discredit me by claiming I am receiving payment for, you know, whatever fantasy breeder you dreamed up or wondered about when you said; "which seed co do you work for and how much do they pay?"
I do not and would never trade what I say for beans nor money. While I am positive you, and most others, will not believe this, about a month or two ago a new seedbank offered to pay me in beans if I would post messages here saying the seedbank was a quality seedbank that was reputable and handled high quality genetics. No one has seen a single message from me saying anything like that because as I replied to the offer, it would be unethical for me to claim a seedbank I never used and know nothing about is reputable and handles high quality genetics.
A few weeks later I received a PM from a breeder asking me to test grow new strains and evaluate them for the breeder before release. I did not do it, in part because I do not give out personal information and for the seeds to be sent to me I would have to do that, but also because I felt that if I said they had a winner I would then be asked to post messages saying so .. and having been given free seeds to test I would in some way be obligated to the breeder, and I was not going to put myself in that position.
Your lie that I work for some breeder does not pass the sniff test, it does not pass the Pepsi Challenge, because nothing I have said would have in any way directed anyone to any particular breeder and what breeder would pay someone just to hurt Dr. Greenthumb's sales if the breeder did not stand at least some chance of picking up some of Dr. Greenthumb's lost sales?
Everything I have said has either been the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, as in the case of my experience with Dr. Greenthumb's fake Acapulco Gold, or has been highly damning evidence, some from those themselves involved and some from highly credible sources and who are professional breeders, and have been for many years and who had the the G13 and made crosses with the true G13, such as Shantibaba and Nevil, a pair who would have no reason to lie and who would also have the greatest chance of knowing the truth, the facts, as to if G13 still exists in it's original real true pure form ... and they do not believe it too be possible.
If someone, anyone, can provide one single verifiable piece of proof from a totally credible source that Dr. Greenthumb does in fact have the original G13 in it's totally pure form, post the information, include the source and a link and I will not hesitate a second to say that I must have been wrong. Just one person needs to supply just one single verifiable piece of proof from a totally credible source that Dr. Greenthumb does in fact have the original G13 in it's totally pure form, that's all .. just one.
Which of you can and will do precisely that? Which one of you will finally stop replying strictly with their opinion or personal belief or rumor or gossip or hearsay or unverifiable claims or bits from an evolving story where the characters and claims have changed several times, and might change again and instead supply just one single verifiable piece of proof directly from a totally credible source that Dr. Greenthumb does in fact have the original G13 in it's totally pure form?
If no one can do that the Mt. Everest sized pile of evidence pointing to Dr. Greenthumb's G13 not being the real true totally pure original strain is so overwhelming that if this were a court of law, Dr. Greenthumb would be found guilty of fraud.
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