DirtPoor
Well-Known Member
He wasn't even al Qaeda's leader, he was just the poster boy...all it is, is a symbol for America taking back the fight; that's all.
BIN LADIN May Be Dead............It's A Great Day
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patlpp
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There's the pot (intended) calling the kettle black...
DirtPoor
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Oh ha ha ha, would you like Osama to rest in peace? I didn't think so, any moral human being would want his rest to be...restless
The Cryptkeeper
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NLXSK1
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Sooooo..... You use your friends?
The Cryptkeeper
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No shit. ...
smok3y1
Active Member
He does not deserve to rest in peace for giving up a billion dollar empire to fight along side the poorest of people in mountains for a cause he believes in that was perfectly justified? Funding and help saving a country from the soviet empire. I don't think he had any involvement in 9/11 just like MANY other people around the world. Maybe you should watch a few video's by Former CIA chief Michael Scheuer on his views of OBL
DirtPoor
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It is what it is, while he may have given up something great for death and respect it doesn't mean he was right in doing so. I really doubt that he will have the 72 virgins in heaven that he was promised but then again I am not God and I do not know. Would you say that the Japanese were right when the bombed us in Pearl Harbor? No. Just because one believes something is right doesn't mean so...imo.
smok3y1
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I don't know much about Pearl Harbor but am sure the events of Pearl Harbor and that of fighting against a foreign invader are two totally different things. The Soviets invaded Afghanistan and OBL went there funded and personally fought there and had battle scars. He is a hero by any definition besides from the perspective of Americans for allegedly being behind 9/11. I can fully understand why people have hatred for him but IMO he is wrongly accused of being behind 9/11 despite him saying he had no hand in it and that the people should look at their own government. Correct me if am wrong but was Pearl Harbor caused because of the embargo on Japan by America?
Also regarding 72 virgins
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/debunking-the-suicide-for-72-virgins-myth/
if you mean was that the last major event in Japanese/American relations before Pearl Harbor?
yes, but why was it done - Japan was aggressively invading neighboring countries, such as Korea, China, and much of East Asia
so you can say 'caused' to suit your own arguments
hillbillyhigh
Member
I understand the whole peaceful tokers approach to things, but this man single-handedly orchestrated the murder of over 10,000 people in 20 yrs.
Thats like a 1940's Jew not being mad a Hitler.... Just not possible
The Cryptkeeper
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I'm a 1940s Jew and I'm not mad at Hitler.
daalma
Active Member
every now and then something like this topic comes up. the good thing is it sorts out who i would choose to accept grow info from. someone who researches and learns from experience or someone who has only been told. by the way i am canadian and i didnt elect a certain idiot twice.
DirtPoor
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I don't believe you...Im jewish fuck Hitler
see4
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I don't believe you. Show me your long form birth certificate.
The Cryptkeeper
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I don't believe you...Im jewish fuck you
The Cryptkeeper
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I don't have a birth certificate. I was born in Kenya. Fuck your american decadence.
Big P
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Embarrassment grows for Pakistan security forces as 12-year-old reveals even he was a regular visitor to Al Qaeda boss's hideaway
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 11:01 PM on 3rd May 2011
The Inter-Services Intelligence agency claims not to have known the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden despite him living in a $1m compound in Abbottabad.
But since the elimination of the terrorist mastermind by U.S. special forces on Sunday morning, the country has faced difficult questions over how he escaped justice for possibly as long as six years.
Further embarrassment followed today when the BBC interviewed a 12-year-old boy who said he used to visit the building where Bin Laden had died and had met the Al Qaeda leader's family.
'I used to go to their house. He had two wives, one spoke Arabic, and the other one spoke Urdu. They had three children, a girl and two boys. They gave me two rabbits. They had installed a camera at the outer gate so they could see people before they entered the house,' Zarar Ahmed said.
Young guest: Zarar Ahmed, 12, points at Bin Laden's high-security compound which he lives near to and claims to have visited several times
Osama bunny-laden: These are the two rabbits which Zarar Ahmed claimed were given to him by the Al Qaeda chief
It also emerged today that other local children thought something may be amiss - and regularly made a profit from the presence of the terrorist mastermind.
'If a football went into bin Laden's compound the children would not be allowed to get it,' said local ice cream vendor Tanvir Ahmed.
'They were given money instead; 100-150 rupees ($2-$3) per ball.'
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According to locals, the vehicles would travel regularly to the tribal areas where Al Qaedas trainers and planners operate.
Close up: The compound in the town of Abbottabad, Pakistan, where Osama Bin Laden was killed in the early hours of Monday morning
'There was a rumour in the neighbourhood that the man who lived there was Baitullah Mehsud's nephew,' said Daniel, referring to the late chief of the Pakistani Taliban.
'I went over on two occasions after I hit the ball over there and there was no one there. I think there was a $20 million reward for bin Laden, but I never imagined it was him.'
Two brothers from the compound visited the shops twice a week to buy provisions. Their regular purchases included large quantities of vegetables, fruit, rice, biscuits, jam, honey, ice cream and ice lollies for the children.
Shopkeeper Raja Shuja said yesterday: The brothers were always polite and always asked questions about what was happening locally and whether there had been strange visitors to the area.
It's a good day: President Barack Obama, centre, holds a Cabinet meeting with, from left, Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Secretary of Commerce Gary Locke, Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood, Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, and Trade Representative Ronald Kirk, in the Cabinet Room of the White House, in Washington, DC today
A newspaper hawker described how he delivered newspapers to the compound every day and at the end of each month his bill was promptly paid, always by the same man.
Even the name of the million-dollar house was a huge clue it was called Waziristan Mansion, after the tribal area of mountainous Pakistan where Bin Laden fled in the wake of the 9/11 outrage.
Despite this, the compound, which was number 25 in the street, did not have most basic conveniences such as a satellite dish, phone line or air conditioning.
Residents in the town were already making trips to the compound to examine what had happened and gathered atop the 15-foot walls - which previously would have resulted in a person being asked to move on should anyone dare to lean on them.
They also picked up pieces of the helicopter which crashed during the daring raid.
Seen better days: Pakistani soldiers in a jeep pass by the compound, close to a military academy and less than 70 miles from capital Islamabad
Sightseeing: Local residents gather outside and atop the walls Bin Laden's home while the security services turn a blind eye
The compound was also close to a local school and at least two other families lived with Bin Laden.
At any one time there were up to 20 children within the compound, some attending the local Iqra religious school.
Another local resident, Sher Mohammed Khan, said his sister went to the house to administer a polio vaccination as part of a government-backed drive.
When she remarked on all the expensive SUVs inside the compound, a man immediately asked her to leave, but not before taking the vaccine to apparently administer to the children inside.
Another doctor was also believed to have made frequent visits to give Bin Laden dialysis for his kidney condition.
Bin Laden, 54, is believed to have lived in the fortified mansion less than a mile from a military academy just 62 miles from the capital Islamabad for six years.
The family lived on the second and third floor, and a 7ft wall had been built to conceal his 6ft 6in figure when he was taking fresh air.
A total of four people died in the raid but those who survived the attack included his wife, daughter and eight to nine other children who did not belong to Bin Laden. They were tied up and taken away by the troops.
U.S. officials believe that Bin Laden had lived within the blacked-out for up to six years. He had been living in Afghanistan before a 2001 U.S. invasion helped topple its Taliban regime.
Surrounded: The three-storey lair, guarded left by security officials, is encircled by walls 12ft high topped with three lines of barbed wire. Local workers were seen carrying out running repairs after the raid
The wall encircles the whole compound which was raided in 2003 by security services searching for an Al Qaeda Faraj Al-Libi
All of the above has left the Pakistani government facing difficult questions from experts who failed to accept nobody in the country knew of his whereabouts.
Pakistan's interior minister Rehman Malik had told visiting U.S. politicians in 2009 that Bin Laden was much more likely to be hiding out in Yemen or Saudi Arabia.
He even suggested he might have been killed in airstrikes in the Tora Bora cave complex shortly after 9/11.
WILL OUR TROOPS GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN EARLY?
The killing of Osama Bin Laden could mean a swifter exit from Afghanistan for British troops, David Cameron hinted yesterday.
The Prime Minister refused to rule out a faster withdrawal of UK forces, leaving room for manoeuvre by saying the Al Qaeda leaders death would not necessarily change any timetables.
Britain, with more than 9,500 service personnel on the frontline, plans to quit combat operations in Afghanistan by the end of 2014.
But in a radio interview, Mr Cameron acknowledged a more rapid solution could be reached if the Taliban could be persuaded to lay down their arms and enter talks.
A Whitehall source later said the 2014 deadline remained but the Bin Laden killing could allow us to move forward more quickly.
The Nato-led coalition is braced for fierce fighting this summer and does not expect Bin Ladens death to undermine jihadists quickly.
Political and military chiefs are also wary of withdrawing so early that Afghanistan fails as a state.
Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari used an article in the Washington Post to refute the allegations.
He said: 'Some in the U.S. press have suggested that Pakistan lacked vitality in its pursuit of terrorism, or worse yet that we were disingenuous and actually protected the terrorists we claimed to be pursuing,
'Such baseless speculation may make exciting cable news, but it doesn't reflect fact,' said Mr Zardari.
And today, one of the country's top military officials has admitted the oversight was down to errors within the organisation.
'We had been looking for him in no-go areas, unaware that he was living so close to an installation of ours,' said the official at a briefing for journalists in Islamabad. 'Yes, it is an intelligence failure.'
'It is an embarrassment for the ISI, we're good, but we're not God.'
The CIA doubts over the reliability of Pakistani intelligence came to the fore today when its director Leon Panetta admitted they were concerned enough not to inform them in advance of the raid.
In an interview with Time magazine, Panetta said his aides had 60 to 80 per cent confidence that Bin Laden was in the compound - and had they told them it could have jeopardised the operation and targets been alerted.
Panetta said he told President Barack Obama: 'If I thought delaying this could in fact produce better intelligence that would be one thing. But because of the nature of the security at the compound, we're probably at a point where we've got the best intelligence we can get.'
He also revealed that U.S. forces had gathered an 'impressive amount' of material, including computers and electronics following the raid.
A new task force has now been set up by Panetta to look into all the material gathered.
One British security source said: It is entirely inconceivable that Bin Laden had no support and was able to live in the way that he was without some in Pakistan knowing he was there and what he was doing.
In 2004, a captured Al Qaeda operative told U.S. intelligence that the courier Sheikh Abu Ahmed was close to operational commander Faraj Al-Libi, left, who had replaced Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, right.
The ISI had raided the compound once before in 2003 - when it was believed Abu Faraj al-Libi, was there.
But the compound 'was not on our radar' since then, the official said.
The intelligence services therefore may never have caught Bin Laden had it not been for his most trusted courier - a Kuwaiti-born man named Sheikh Abu Ahmed.
The shadowy figure was identified after Al Qaeda commanders held at Guantanamo Bay admitted they knew him - and that he had connections to the Saudi Arabian-born leader.
Once U.S. security forces had that information, they flooded Pakistan with agents desperate to pick up a trace of him, he would lead them to the lair of the world's most wanted man.
But the confessions were only the start of an extraordinary manhunt which stretched from the prison camp in Cuba to Peshawar in Pakistan and finally ended in the deadly shootout.
Blackened: A shelter in the compound appears to have take some of the fire as U.S. forces went into to grab Bin Laden
A view inside the compound at the rear of the house which was the scene for the remarkable denouement to Bin Laden's tale of terror
For many years, Ahmed was only known by his 'nom de guerre', Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.
The first indications about his significance came from CIA detainees shortly after the 9/11 terror attacks.
They identified him as one of Bin Laden's couriers, an aide the terror chief trusted with his life. But details were scant and agents quickly found the trail went cold.
It was not until 2004, when Al Qaeda operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq, that the CIA began to make progress.
Ghul told the intelligence service that al-Kuwaiti was a courier and that he was close to Faraj al-Libi, Al Qaeda's operational commander, who replaced Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.The pace of the pursuit then picked when U.S. soldiers captured al-Libi.
Under CIA interrogation, al-Libi admitted that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed, he received the word through a courier.
But he made up a name for the courier and denied knowing al-Kuwaiti, a denial that was so adamant and unbelievable that the CIA took it as a lie.
Asking difficult questions: Prime Minister David Cameron wants answers from Pakistan but President Asif Ali Zardari has issued a flat denial that his country knowingly sheltered Osama bin Laden until his death
Finally, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed himself admitted that he knew the courier. Held at Guantanamo Bay, he had been waterboarded 183 times without identifiying Ahmed.
It was only later under conventional interrogation techniques that he admitted he knew him - though he still did not surrender a full name or where the courier could be found.
The CIA were then convinced that if they found Abu Ahmed they would find Bin Laden.
Scores of agents scoured Pakistan and Afghanistan for the merest whisper of Ahmed's whereabouts.
When Ahmed was finally tracked down, he was driving a white Suzuki in Peshawar, a frontier town with a high population of Al Qaeda sympathisers.
Bin Laden's hideout was just a short walk from Pakistan's military training centre
CIA agents followed him to a compound in the northeast Pakistani town of Abbottabad, where al-Libi had once lived. It had 18ft high walls, barbed wire, and no telephone or internet connections.
Without confirmation and with little to go on, the CIA became convinced they had finally found the world's most wanted man.
Despite doubts about Pakistanti trustworthiness, British Prime Minister David Cameron have his backing to Mr Zardari today.
He said that the mission that led to the death of Osama bin Laden was 'justified, lawful and right' and represented a 'massive step forward' in tackling terrorism.
'There are lots of questions that need to be asked. And we should be tough in asking those questions,' he told BBC Radio 5 Live.
'But we should deal with what we do know. And we do know that the Pakistan political leadership is fighting terrorism, we do know that country has suffered.
Pakistan anger: Demonstrators in Karachi chant slogans condemning the killing of Osama bin Laden as they gather to offer funeral prayers
'We should work with those forces in Pakistan that want us to combat terrorism and extremism and make democracy take hold in that country. That is in our national interest.
'We could go down the other route of just having a flaming great row with Pakistan over this. I think that would achieve nothing.'
Mr Cameron, who sparked a major row with Pakistan earlier this year when he accused the regime of looking 'both ways' on terrorism, said 'the world is incomparably a better place without' Bin Laden.
But as Pakistan hits back over the criticism, Zadari and his Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani have already made clear their strong feelings on the mission in a telephone conversation with Cameron yesterday.
'As far as they were concerned, Bin Laden was a foreigner who had no business being in Pakistan, who brought nothing but misery to their country,' said Mr Cameron.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383067/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Pakistan-spy-agencys-failures-Abbottabad-hideout.html#ixzz1LKe1GIG4
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 11:01 PM on 3rd May 2011
- ISI official: 'We were looking in the wrong areas. It's an intelligence failure'
- Local children received $2-3 if their ball entered the compound
- Visiting doctor asked to leave after commenting on SUVs
- CIA chief feared telling Pakistanis would 'alert targets'
- Full story of how courier unwittingly led commandos to Bin Laden's lair
- David Cameron: 'We should be tough in asking the big questions'
- Prime Minister hints at swifter troop exit from Afghanistan
The Inter-Services Intelligence agency claims not to have known the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden despite him living in a $1m compound in Abbottabad.
But since the elimination of the terrorist mastermind by U.S. special forces on Sunday morning, the country has faced difficult questions over how he escaped justice for possibly as long as six years.
Further embarrassment followed today when the BBC interviewed a 12-year-old boy who said he used to visit the building where Bin Laden had died and had met the Al Qaeda leader's family.
'I used to go to their house. He had two wives, one spoke Arabic, and the other one spoke Urdu. They had three children, a girl and two boys. They gave me two rabbits. They had installed a camera at the outer gate so they could see people before they entered the house,' Zarar Ahmed said.
It also emerged today that other local children thought something may be amiss - and regularly made a profit from the presence of the terrorist mastermind.
'If a football went into bin Laden's compound the children would not be allowed to get it,' said local ice cream vendor Tanvir Ahmed.
'They were given money instead; 100-150 rupees ($2-$3) per ball.'
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According to locals, the vehicles would travel regularly to the tribal areas where Al Qaedas trainers and planners operate.
'There was a rumour in the neighbourhood that the man who lived there was Baitullah Mehsud's nephew,' said Daniel, referring to the late chief of the Pakistani Taliban.
'I went over on two occasions after I hit the ball over there and there was no one there. I think there was a $20 million reward for bin Laden, but I never imagined it was him.'
Two brothers from the compound visited the shops twice a week to buy provisions. Their regular purchases included large quantities of vegetables, fruit, rice, biscuits, jam, honey, ice cream and ice lollies for the children.
Shopkeeper Raja Shuja said yesterday: The brothers were always polite and always asked questions about what was happening locally and whether there had been strange visitors to the area.
A newspaper hawker described how he delivered newspapers to the compound every day and at the end of each month his bill was promptly paid, always by the same man.
Even the name of the million-dollar house was a huge clue it was called Waziristan Mansion, after the tribal area of mountainous Pakistan where Bin Laden fled in the wake of the 9/11 outrage.
Despite this, the compound, which was number 25 in the street, did not have most basic conveniences such as a satellite dish, phone line or air conditioning.
Residents in the town were already making trips to the compound to examine what had happened and gathered atop the 15-foot walls - which previously would have resulted in a person being asked to move on should anyone dare to lean on them.
They also picked up pieces of the helicopter which crashed during the daring raid.
The compound was also close to a local school and at least two other families lived with Bin Laden.
At any one time there were up to 20 children within the compound, some attending the local Iqra religious school.
Another local resident, Sher Mohammed Khan, said his sister went to the house to administer a polio vaccination as part of a government-backed drive.
When she remarked on all the expensive SUVs inside the compound, a man immediately asked her to leave, but not before taking the vaccine to apparently administer to the children inside.
Another doctor was also believed to have made frequent visits to give Bin Laden dialysis for his kidney condition.
Bin Laden, 54, is believed to have lived in the fortified mansion less than a mile from a military academy just 62 miles from the capital Islamabad for six years.
The family lived on the second and third floor, and a 7ft wall had been built to conceal his 6ft 6in figure when he was taking fresh air.
A total of four people died in the raid but those who survived the attack included his wife, daughter and eight to nine other children who did not belong to Bin Laden. They were tied up and taken away by the troops.
U.S. officials believe that Bin Laden had lived within the blacked-out for up to six years. He had been living in Afghanistan before a 2001 U.S. invasion helped topple its Taliban regime.
Surrounded: The three-storey lair, guarded left by security officials, is encircled by walls 12ft high topped with three lines of barbed wire. Local workers were seen carrying out running repairs after the raid
All of the above has left the Pakistani government facing difficult questions from experts who failed to accept nobody in the country knew of his whereabouts.
Pakistan's interior minister Rehman Malik had told visiting U.S. politicians in 2009 that Bin Laden was much more likely to be hiding out in Yemen or Saudi Arabia.
He even suggested he might have been killed in airstrikes in the Tora Bora cave complex shortly after 9/11.
WILL OUR TROOPS GET OUT OF AFGHANISTAN EARLY?
The killing of Osama Bin Laden could mean a swifter exit from Afghanistan for British troops, David Cameron hinted yesterday.
The Prime Minister refused to rule out a faster withdrawal of UK forces, leaving room for manoeuvre by saying the Al Qaeda leaders death would not necessarily change any timetables.
Britain, with more than 9,500 service personnel on the frontline, plans to quit combat operations in Afghanistan by the end of 2014.
But in a radio interview, Mr Cameron acknowledged a more rapid solution could be reached if the Taliban could be persuaded to lay down their arms and enter talks.
A Whitehall source later said the 2014 deadline remained but the Bin Laden killing could allow us to move forward more quickly.
The Nato-led coalition is braced for fierce fighting this summer and does not expect Bin Ladens death to undermine jihadists quickly.
Political and military chiefs are also wary of withdrawing so early that Afghanistan fails as a state.
Pakistan's president Asif Ali Zardari used an article in the Washington Post to refute the allegations.
He said: 'Some in the U.S. press have suggested that Pakistan lacked vitality in its pursuit of terrorism, or worse yet that we were disingenuous and actually protected the terrorists we claimed to be pursuing,
'Such baseless speculation may make exciting cable news, but it doesn't reflect fact,' said Mr Zardari.
And today, one of the country's top military officials has admitted the oversight was down to errors within the organisation.
'We had been looking for him in no-go areas, unaware that he was living so close to an installation of ours,' said the official at a briefing for journalists in Islamabad. 'Yes, it is an intelligence failure.'
'It is an embarrassment for the ISI, we're good, but we're not God.'
The CIA doubts over the reliability of Pakistani intelligence came to the fore today when its director Leon Panetta admitted they were concerned enough not to inform them in advance of the raid.
In an interview with Time magazine, Panetta said his aides had 60 to 80 per cent confidence that Bin Laden was in the compound - and had they told them it could have jeopardised the operation and targets been alerted.
Panetta said he told President Barack Obama: 'If I thought delaying this could in fact produce better intelligence that would be one thing. But because of the nature of the security at the compound, we're probably at a point where we've got the best intelligence we can get.'
He also revealed that U.S. forces had gathered an 'impressive amount' of material, including computers and electronics following the raid.
A new task force has now been set up by Panetta to look into all the material gathered.
One British security source said: It is entirely inconceivable that Bin Laden had no support and was able to live in the way that he was without some in Pakistan knowing he was there and what he was doing.
In 2004, a captured Al Qaeda operative told U.S. intelligence that the courier Sheikh Abu Ahmed was close to operational commander Faraj Al-Libi, left, who had replaced Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, right.
The ISI had raided the compound once before in 2003 - when it was believed Abu Faraj al-Libi, was there.
But the compound 'was not on our radar' since then, the official said.
The intelligence services therefore may never have caught Bin Laden had it not been for his most trusted courier - a Kuwaiti-born man named Sheikh Abu Ahmed.
The shadowy figure was identified after Al Qaeda commanders held at Guantanamo Bay admitted they knew him - and that he had connections to the Saudi Arabian-born leader.
Once U.S. security forces had that information, they flooded Pakistan with agents desperate to pick up a trace of him, he would lead them to the lair of the world's most wanted man.
But the confessions were only the start of an extraordinary manhunt which stretched from the prison camp in Cuba to Peshawar in Pakistan and finally ended in the deadly shootout.
A view inside the compound at the rear of the house which was the scene for the remarkable denouement to Bin Laden's tale of terror
For many years, Ahmed was only known by his 'nom de guerre', Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.
The first indications about his significance came from CIA detainees shortly after the 9/11 terror attacks.
They identified him as one of Bin Laden's couriers, an aide the terror chief trusted with his life. But details were scant and agents quickly found the trail went cold.
It was not until 2004, when Al Qaeda operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq, that the CIA began to make progress.
Ghul told the intelligence service that al-Kuwaiti was a courier and that he was close to Faraj al-Libi, Al Qaeda's operational commander, who replaced Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.The pace of the pursuit then picked when U.S. soldiers captured al-Libi.
Under CIA interrogation, al-Libi admitted that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed, he received the word through a courier.
But he made up a name for the courier and denied knowing al-Kuwaiti, a denial that was so adamant and unbelievable that the CIA took it as a lie.
Asking difficult questions: Prime Minister David Cameron wants answers from Pakistan but President Asif Ali Zardari has issued a flat denial that his country knowingly sheltered Osama bin Laden until his death
Finally, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed himself admitted that he knew the courier. Held at Guantanamo Bay, he had been waterboarded 183 times without identifiying Ahmed.
It was only later under conventional interrogation techniques that he admitted he knew him - though he still did not surrender a full name or where the courier could be found.
The CIA were then convinced that if they found Abu Ahmed they would find Bin Laden.
Scores of agents scoured Pakistan and Afghanistan for the merest whisper of Ahmed's whereabouts.
When Ahmed was finally tracked down, he was driving a white Suzuki in Peshawar, a frontier town with a high population of Al Qaeda sympathisers.
CIA agents followed him to a compound in the northeast Pakistani town of Abbottabad, where al-Libi had once lived. It had 18ft high walls, barbed wire, and no telephone or internet connections.
Without confirmation and with little to go on, the CIA became convinced they had finally found the world's most wanted man.
Despite doubts about Pakistanti trustworthiness, British Prime Minister David Cameron have his backing to Mr Zardari today.
He said that the mission that led to the death of Osama bin Laden was 'justified, lawful and right' and represented a 'massive step forward' in tackling terrorism.
'There are lots of questions that need to be asked. And we should be tough in asking those questions,' he told BBC Radio 5 Live.
'But we should deal with what we do know. And we do know that the Pakistan political leadership is fighting terrorism, we do know that country has suffered.
'We should work with those forces in Pakistan that want us to combat terrorism and extremism and make democracy take hold in that country. That is in our national interest.
'We could go down the other route of just having a flaming great row with Pakistan over this. I think that would achieve nothing.'
Mr Cameron, who sparked a major row with Pakistan earlier this year when he accused the regime of looking 'both ways' on terrorism, said 'the world is incomparably a better place without' Bin Laden.
But as Pakistan hits back over the criticism, Zadari and his Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani have already made clear their strong feelings on the mission in a telephone conversation with Cameron yesterday.
'As far as they were concerned, Bin Laden was a foreigner who had no business being in Pakistan, who brought nothing but misery to their country,' said Mr Cameron.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383067/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Pakistan-spy-agencys-failures-Abbottabad-hideout.html#ixzz1LKe1GIG4
this is not the first time we've been gamed by Pakistan
during the Soviet invasion, they shook us down for many, many dollars
as long as Bin Laden was posting his internet speeches, we were on a Osama hunt
which meant the dollars kept flowing in to Pakistan
want to figure who benefited? follow the money
during the Soviet invasion, they shook us down for many, many dollars
as long as Bin Laden was posting his internet speeches, we were on a Osama hunt
which meant the dollars kept flowing in to Pakistan
want to figure who benefited? follow the money
Big P
Well-Known Member
ya, its like why would pakis want us to find binladin if we were paying them so much to find him
its like the people that say they will never cure cancer because there is too much money in cancer research, but what those people fail to see that there would be more money for the people who cured cancer then just research money
but what do the Pakis get for curing / killing binladin?
a big thanks, high-ho seeya later.........big thanks, high-ho seeya later
a better way to do it would have been to give them less money on the front end and a huge bonus pack of aid money if and only if they actually help find him
doesnt our government know how to spurr production? oh ya, they're the ones who extra tax the main people who give us our jobs. great longterm insight.
its sad but us drug people know the game better than them, u otta give your people incentive to sell your goods (ie kill binladen) give it to them cheap and clean, you will get it back in un-marked green
its like the people that say they will never cure cancer because there is too much money in cancer research, but what those people fail to see that there would be more money for the people who cured cancer then just research money
but what do the Pakis get for curing / killing binladin?
a big thanks, high-ho seeya later.........big thanks, high-ho seeya later
a better way to do it would have been to give them less money on the front end and a huge bonus pack of aid money if and only if they actually help find him
doesnt our government know how to spurr production? oh ya, they're the ones who extra tax the main people who give us our jobs. great longterm insight.
its sad but us drug people know the game better than them, u otta give your people incentive to sell your goods (ie kill binladen) give it to them cheap and clean, you will get it back in un-marked green