Ron Paul 2012

[Windsblow]

i wouldn't have said anything if opossum head had not said it first.

always about race with people that wear an opossum on their heads.

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edit: never trust a man with an opossum on his head.

I don't even know what that means...... Great debate skills. I believe anyone who uses race in a political context has a weak are poisoned/evil position.

 

[mame]

LOL! I knew I would get someone. No Governments enslave..... Any never in history has anything else committed the crime of slavery. As for the Child labor thing. If it was an easier life living in the rice patties then they would stay there. If it was an easier life on the farms half starved then they would stay there. These slave labor prices might be low but they give these poorest on earth the opportunity to do a little better. I despise a government that dictates who can prosper and who can't and that is all labor laws do.

A government that does nothing is hardly a government at all.

Sure, the government doesn't enslave anybody but corporations of whom have no interest in the child besides to make a profit off of their cheap labor should and are regulated from doing so because it's wrong. It's wrong because children generally lack the thinking capacity to be able to make decisions that are the best for themselves... Because of this, it's not the free market at work but merely a collection of grown, intelligent men taking advantage of the cheap, near slave labor of a child that doesn't even know he is getting ripped off.

 

[Windsblow]

A government that does nothing is hardly a government at all.

Sure, the government doesn't enslave anybody but corporations of whom have no interest in the child besides to make a profit off of their cheap labor should and are regulated from doing so because it's wrong. It's wrong because children generally lack the thinking capacity to be able to make decisions that are the best for themselves... Because of this, it's not the free market at work but merely a collection of grown, intelligent men taking advantage of the cheap, near slave labor of a child that doesn't even know he is getting ripped off.

Reread my post because my edit puts it in the correct context. I was acctually saying the opposite of what it read.

 

[Windsblow]

A government that does nothing is hardly a government at all.

Sure, the government doesn't enslave anybody but corporations of whom have no interest in the child besides to make a profit off of their cheap labor should and are regulated from doing so because it's wrong. It's wrong because children generally lack the thinking capacity to be able to make decisions that are the best for themselves... Because of this, it's not the free market at work but merely a collection of grown, intelligent men taking advantage of the cheap, near slave labor of a child that doesn't even know he is getting ripped off.

Totally emotion based position and has no truth to it IMO.

And only Governments Enslave..... No one/Entity has the ability to enslave.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't even know what that means...... Great debate skills. I believe anyone who uses race in a political context has a weak are poisoned/evil position.

that lincoln character was poisoned and evil, then. fucking asshole.

lyndon johnson? poisoned and evil. pure fucking asshole, that guy.

founding fathers? poisoned and evil bunch of mother fucking assholes with their 3/5th rule.

george w bush? didn't i see him talk about the achievement gap? that stupid, evil, poisoned asshole.

fuck all of them and anyone else who had been unable to talk politics without the avoiding the inevitable: the necessarily intertwined relationship of race and politics.

welcome to the real world. you'll find that it differs greatly than the ideological fantasy ayn rand land in which you have been residing.

you know, the fantasy land where child labor is okey dokey and race should never come into politics.

fucking rube.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't even know what that means......

the man has an opossum on his head, do i have to draw you a fucking picture?

 

[mame]

Totally emotion based position and has no truth to it IMO.

And only Governments Enslave..... No one/Entity has the ability to enslave.

So children are capable of making important decisions for themselves? Cmon, you said you oppose child labor laws, right? You to have something better than equating them to government enslavement.

I'm arguing that Child labor laws are needed to prevent business practices that truly resemble child enslavement. The children do not have the mental capacity to even know if they're being ripped off or not. look around the world! You've got children in these largely unregulated countries working their lives away for almost nothing and they dont even know any better... Is this really what we envision when we talk about free markets? Because those children are hardly free. They have no chance of getting ahead. None. Would you consent to doing the work they do, at the pay they get? I'd think not.

But it's the government who enslaves right? What a joke.

 

[Windsblow]

that lincoln character was poisoned and evil, then. fucking asshole.

lyndon johnson? poisoned and evil. pure fucking asshole, that guy.

founding fathers? poisoned and evil bunch of mother fucking assholes with their 3/5th rule.

george w bush? didn't i see him talk about the achievement gap? that stupid, evil, poisoned asshole.

fuck all of them and anyone else who had been unable to talk politics without the avoiding the inevitable: the necessarily intertwined relationship of race and politics.

welcome to the real world. you'll find that it differs greatly than the ideological fantasy ayn rand land in which you have been residing.

you know, the fantasy land where child labor is okey dokey and race should never come into politics.

fucking rube.

Wow!....... Do I smell emotion? Oh the politics of emotion, nothing is more sound.

Nice attempt at putting my statement into a ridiculous context and one that is utterly inaccurate. The Foundering ideals (and the ideals of freedom in general) are based on individualism, not race. Though they (abolitionism, civil right) can be put in the context of race, it in error that they are perceived as race based. The Slaves should be free not because they are black but because they are individual humans. Anyone that uses freedom in the context of race is either ignorant, evil or is selling something.

 

[NoDrama]

I work my kids like slaves on the Farm all day, they do dangerous, hard physical labor for 14 hours a day, I pay them $5 a week. US Government is on board with what I am doing too, they don't sanction me one bit. 100% legal and my kids are turning into good adults who value a days work and wages.

 

[Windsblow]

the man has an opossum on his head, do i have to draw you a fucking picture?

I still don't know what this means or who the hell you are referring to.

MAybe you should draw because it appears that thinking critically isn't your bag.

 

[Windsblow]

I work my kids like slaves on the Farm all day, they do dangerous, hard physical labor for 14 hours a day, I pay them $5 a week. US Government is on board with what I am doing too, they don't sanction me one bit. 100% legal and my kids are turning into good adults who value a days work and wages.

There are many that despise what you are doing to your kids. Many..... HOw dare you teach your kids Value and ethics and to do it your way. That will be against the law one of these days. Mark my words drama.

 

[NoDrama]

There are many that despise what you are doing to your kids. Many..... HOw dare you teach your kids Value and ethics and to do it your way. That will be against the law one of these days. Mark my words drama.

I wouldn't doubt it, pretty soon my kids will have to go to a special government reform school to learn how to live.

 

[Windsblow]

So children are capable of making important decisions for themselves? Cmon, you said you oppose child labor laws, right? You to have something better than equating them to government enslavement.

I'm arguing that Child labor laws are needed to prevent business practices that truly resemble child enslavement. The children do not have the mental capacity to even know if they're being ripped off or not. look around the world! You've got children in these largely unregulated countries working their lives away for almost nothing and they dont even know any better... Is this really what we envision when we talk about free markets? Because those children are hardly free. They have no chance of getting ahead. None. Would you consent to doing the work they do, at the pay they get? I'd think not.

But it's the government who enslaves right? What a joke.

A Voluntary and Capitalist society never has those problems at any level that is mentionable. These are stories, myths, FAntasies of the left that have no historic truth.

And yes Governments enslave....... Nothing else in history has. This is the FAirytale I am speaking of. You ProGovernment types scream slave labor by corporation yet it never has happened yet. It's like wishful thinking. No company has ever enslave humans...... NEVER ever ever. And the day you can provide demonstrable proof to the contrary is the day I will Tattoo a Hammer and sickle on my ass.

 

[Windsblow]

I wouldn't doubt it, pretty soon my kids will have to go to a special government reform school to learn how to live.

It's called public school. Run by government Union workers taking orders from Washington. It's already happening.

 

[mame]

A Voluntary and Capitalist society never has those problems at any level that is mentionable. These are stories, myths, FAntasies of the left that have no historic truth.

And yes Governments enslave....... Nothing else in history has. This is the FAirytale I am speaking of. You ProGovernment types scream slave labor by corporation yet it never has happened yet. It's like wishful thinking. No company has ever enslave humans...... NEVER ever ever. And the day you can provide demonstrable proof to the contrary is the day I will Tattoo a Hammer and sickle on my ass.

Okay, it took me all of 10 seconds to find information to the contrary.

As of 2004, there were 218 million child labourers around the world.

What would government intervention with spending and regulations entail?

It is estimated to take $760 billion over 20 years to eliminate child labour completely. The estimated benefit in terms of better education and health is over $4 trillion, a six to one difference.

And here's a true story to go along with it:

Shortly after Iqbal Masih was born in a small village in rural Pakistan, his father abandoned the family. Iqbal's mother struggled to support her children as a housecleaner, but could not. When he was four years old, Iqbal was sold for $16 into bonded labour at a carpet factory. He worked 12 hours a day and was horribly undernourished and beaten by the foreman many times.

When Iqbal was nine years old, a local labour rights organization helped him escape the factory. He was given a place at a school for freed child labourers in Lahore where he'd be safe. Iqbal began telling other child labourers about the law in Pakistan that made bonded labour illegal-they had never heard about this law. When children started to follow Iqbal's example and escape the factories, the owners threatened Iqbal and his family. But he didn't back down. At age 12, he travelled to Sweden and the U.S. to speak out against child labour. When he returned to Pakistan in April, 1995, Iqbal was shot and killed.

Iqbal's story reflects the lives of over 200 million children around the world who have been forced to give up school, sports, play and sometimes even their families and homes to work under dangerous, harmful, and abusive conditions. After reading about Iqbal's life and death, Craig Kielburger started Free The Children to continue what Iqbal had started: children helping children be free to live better lives.(source)

A lot of what is essentially a child slave trade happens in Africa and the middle east. I'll get right on telling those super big (lol) governments to stop enslaving the children.

How many children in the U.S. and western Europe fall victim? I'd wager child labor laws and adequate enforcement had an invaluable part in making sure your children haven't joined what amounts to 26% of all African children that end up on the child labor market. So yes, Child labor laws are needed and have demonstrably improved our standard of living and protected our children from real harm. How would repealing this law help again?

 

[Windsblow]

Okay, it took me all of 10 seconds to find information to the contrary.
What would government intervention with spending and regulations entail?


And here's a true story to go along with it:
A lot of what is essentially a child slave trade happens in Africa and the middle east. I'll get right on telling those super big (lol) governments to stop enslaving the children.

How many children in the U.S. and western Europe fall victim? I'd wager child labor laws and adequate enforcement had an invaluable part in making sure your children haven't joined what amounts to 26% of all African children that end up on the child labor market. So yes, Child labor laws are needed and have demonstrably improved our standard of living and protected our children from real harm. How would repealing this law help again?

I think it will take more than a Google search to discuss Voluntary Societies on a level that doesn't make you sound lost. I don't want to be rude but you just don't have the knowledge about Capitalism needed to either support it or Break my argument. What you sited has nothing to do with Capitalism Or Voluntarist Economic philosophies that I and the Documents that founded this country promote.

 

[Windsblow]

Also it's Government that promotes and enforces theses economic problems your heart bleeds over. Government does this......... not Harmless Voluntary contracts.

 

[UncleBuck]

Wow!....... Do I smell emotion? Oh the politics of emotion, nothing is more sound.

no, what you hear is me mocking the ideological bubble in which you cushion your powder puff ideas and fantasies.

Nice attempt at putting my statement into a ridiculous context and one that is utterly inaccurate. The Foundering ideals (and the ideals of freedom in general) are based on individualism, not race. Though they (abolitionism, civil right) can be put in the context of race, it in error that they are perceived as race based. The Slaves should be free not because they are black but because they are individual humans. Anyone that uses freedom in the context of race is either ignorant, evil or is selling something.

i guess the founding fathers just thought that certain individuals should only count as 3/5th of a person. no way that compromise was based on race in any way. SNARK!

i get what you are saying, that a man should not have to be a slave not because it has anything to do with race, but because it is simply wrong to enslave people.

but to take it a step beyond like you do and act like politics and race should NEVER intertwine (and if it so happens to occur, it is poisoned and evil) is pure dumbassery.

and for fuck sake the opossum thing is a reference to rand paul's ridiculous hair. get with it, would you?

 

[UncleBuck]

I think it will take more than a Google search to discuss Voluntary Societies on a level that doesn't make you sound lost. I don't want to be rude but you just don't have the knowledge about Capitalism needed to either support it or Break my argument. What you sited has nothing to do with Capitalism Or Voluntarist Economic philosophies that I and the Documents that founded this country promote.

i don't want to be rude, but if you want to make yourself sound all smart and shit, you should probably learn the difference between 'cite' and 'site'.

you're welcome.

sincerely,

a public-educated slave who does not condone child labor.

 

[zazahzle]

Wow.. After reading some of these responses, it's no wonder the US ranks 27th out of 33 major world countries in EDUCATION. To the people that support this flawed bullshit system you call a government..... You are the fuel fueling the fire that will burn this great nation down.!!!!!

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.. "Abraham Lincoln"