I'll Think About Voting For Obama When....

[deprave]

did you know we did drill oil in alaska and we just sold it all to japan, same shit would happen if we tapped new ones. The debate about drilling in Alaska is just another fake issue by these fake liberals.(to be fair conservatives use these issues just as much also) They are essentially 'make pretend' environmental "issues" used to manipulate people, politicians, and finance. In this example conservatives say we need to drill for more oil because the big oil lobbyist, democrats use this issue to pretend they are pro environment.

Some other examples Carbon taxes and 'Clean air act' have absolutely nothing to do with the environment, bushes clean air act actually causes more damage to the environment with less regulations and actually paid out more to big corporations who pollute the most.

Industrial Hemp now there is a real environmental solution. One of the many environmental solutions yet to be acted on by our government, there is so many solutions and they are very simple solutions and that's the fact of it but our government hasn't even lifted a real finger.\

Don't let even one of these politician mother effers convince you he is pro-environment. (Especially obama with his clean energy bureaucratic bullshit) - its all a game to both parties.

 

[RJ839]

If you were with me in combat and you had a sucking chest wound and I was bleeding from my leg, would I give you my quic-clot? Yes, because you needed my help, my equipment more than I did.

 

[deprave]

Fake Liberal: Save the WILD LIFE! CLEAN ENERGY! GREY WOLVES! WINDPOWER AND OTHER PIPE DREAMS WE WILL BUILD IT BLAH BLAH BLAH

Conservative: WE NEED MORE OIL SCREW THE WILD LIFE LETS DRILL!

Fake Liberal: See we have our differences *wink*

Fake Conservative: We disagree *wink*


NOT BUYING IT

 

[RJ839]

agree to disagree understood

 

[mame]

Oh yeah, Im blind, nothing I posted made any sense Idk what im talking about. If your not American why in the fuck are you on here? I could give a fuck about the cute little country you stay in. And if you are, you should be shot for treason.

I'm an American. Treason? Jesus someone hit you with the stupid bat pretty early in life. referring to your earlier post... It's clear you dont know what socialism is, because if you did you'd realize we're far from it.

If you tree hugging fucks would let us tap the pipe in Alaska we would produce our entire petrol supply and export the rest. And although what you say is exaggerated , you argue a valid point, however we have to pay them so you dont cry about gas prices. Go to the U.K and check out their gas price equivalent to American dollars.

Drilling more oil would not satisfy our needs even if we drilled in every national park as well. The likely outcome is around a 3-5 cent cost decrease per gallon - over a decade from now. That's not a solution at all considering in that same timeframe gasoline will likely be much more expensive than it is now(assuming the last decade's trend continues).

If you all hate our government, want to change the constitution and take our guns, ban the death penalty and cut our defense in half, just leave. You stand for everything America doesnt. Move to Europe and have group hugs or china and be a communist.

The U.S. pays several times more than any other country on defense.

Oh and do you know how expensive the death penalty is? I'm all for killing bad guys, but when it takes 10 years and several million tax payer dollars to do so(appeals court, daily prison fees, chemicals, etc) - is it worth it?

Who wants to change the constitution? You're obviously quite misinformed. No one in mainstream politics (you know, actual policy makers) on either side wants to change the constitution or take away anyones guns (except maybe assault rifles and 20+ bullet clips? I mean seriously, no one needs combat weapons for home defense or hunting...).

 

[Dan Kone]

If you tree hugging fucks would let us tap the pipe in Alaska we would produce our entire petrol supply and export the rest.

And you think that would do what? Lower gas prices? It wouldn't. It's just drilling for the sake of corporate profits. Why should I think that is important?

If you numskulls would realize that oil drilling is not a long term solution to the energy problem, we could progress faster.

And although what you say is exaggerated , you argue a valid point, however we have to pay them so you dont cry about gas prices.

They are collectively making more profits than any industry in the history of the world. They don't need free government money to provide cheaper oil. Saying "give us free money or else!" is extortion.

If you all hate our government, want to change the constitution and take our guns, ban the death penalty and cut our defense in half, just leave. You stand for everything America doesnt. Move to Europe and have group hugs or china and be a communist.

Well conservatives are the ones that hate government. If you guys hate government so much why don't you move to Somalia. No taxes, no regulations, you can have all the guns you want. That should be paradise for you right?

Liberals think government should be improved. Conservatives are the ones who hate government and think it should be shrunk down to the point where it is completely ineffective. If I should move to Europe, you should move to Somalia.

 

[Dan Kone]

did you know we did drill oil in alaska and we just sold it all to japan, same shit would happen if we tapped new ones. The debate about drilling in Alaska is just another fake issue by these fake liberals.(to be fair conservatives use these issues just as much also) They are essentially 'make pretend' environmental "issues" used to manipulate people, politicians, and finance. In this example conservatives say we need to drill for more oil because the big oil lobbyist, democrats use this issue to pretend they are pro environment.

To an extent, I agree with you. I'm really not concerned about parts of Alaska where no one ever goes and even wildlife is fairly sparse.

But the idea that drilling for oil in Alaska would be some great benefit to us is stupid. It wouldn't change anything.

Some other examples Carbon taxes and 'Clean air act' have absolutely nothing to do with the environment, bushes clean air act actually causes more damage to the environment with less regulations and actually paid out more to big corporations who pollute the most.

Totally agree. I always thought Bush named it "the clean air act" ironically. Carbon taxes don't work either because the alternative sources of energy to run a factory aren't there yet. Until there are real alternatives, it's a joke.

Don't let even one of these politician mother effers convince you he is pro-environment. (Especially obama with his clean energy bureaucratic bullshit) - its all a game to both parties.

Obama's funding of green energy with the stimulus has been pretty legitimate. He's gone farther than any president before him. I give him credit for that.

 

[Dan Kone]

Oh and do you know how expensive the death penalty is? I'm all for killing bad guys, but when it takes 10 years and several million tax payer dollars to do so(appeals court, daily prison fees, chemicals, etc) - is it worth it?

I'd be fine with the death penalty if there was a guarantee we wouldn't be executing any innocent people, but our track record is terrible on that.

Also like you said, the cost/methods of our death penalty are absurd. I agree with giving the prisoner every chance to make court appeals so we don't execute innocents, but our methods are cruel and costly. Taking a prisoner out back and putting a bullet in his head is cheaper and less cruel. It's insane that we use nazi methods of execution like the gas chamber. I can't believe that this method even exists.

Who wants to change the constitution?

Christian conservatives do. That want to change the constitution to make sure no one is gay.

You're obviously quite misinformed. No one in mainstream politics (you know, actual policy makers) on either side wants to change the constitution or take away anyones guns (except maybe assault rifles and 20+ bullet clips? I mean seriously, no one needs combat weapons for home defense or hunting...).

Yet those people saying that have no problem misinterpreting the constitution. If the constitution says it's legal to have guns, it's not for hunting. It's for fighting against armies including potentially the US army. If we are going to accept that definition of the second amendment then it's necessary for private citizens to have access to things like nuclear bombs and stealth bombers. Without that military hardware the second amendment becomes obsolete.

Conservatives like to read the part about " the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" but totally ignore the part about that being for the purpose of having a well regulated militia. IMO the second amendment has become obsolete since we can no longer fend off modern armies with small arms and larger military hardware is illegal to possess.

 

[Winter Woman]

You're right it was 1 (one), I said, 1 (one) person. Out of how many???? I'm tired of excuses.

Now let me go back to my corner.

Didn't some dude just get convicted of insider trading? I hear that was a big victory for the U.S. regulatory agencies( I guess... It's actually very hard to convict these guys you should check it out before blaming Obama for everything). Also, don't you remember the financial regulation reform that went through towards the beginning of Obama's presidency? I seem to remember specifically that Republicans and conservative democrats were to blame for the weakness of said reform, but that's a matter of dealing with political realities.... The president can't pass anything on his own after all.

Obama's Iraq/Afganastan policies are disappointing to all of us idealists who would rather we not be there at all... But to realists like Obama, Independent voters and the like (and that little voice in my head) flat out leaving the region seems like it may have shitty consequences... I mean, haven't we withdrawn from the region before under political pressure only to be back a decade or so later? I actually approve of Obama's approach; It's clear to me that he wants out but he wants to make sure he never has to go back. That's really the most realistic approach to the situation and I'm glad that he is level-headed enough to realize it. That goes with gitmo too, he doesn't want to just let these guys go and there is immense political opposition to moving the prisoners on U.S. soil. What do you want him to do?

 

[RJ839]

Talk to me when you serve bitch then maybe ill hear ya out

 

[Dan Kone]

Talk to me when you serve bitch then maybe ill hear ya out

Right, because unless I kill people I'm not entitled to have an opinion.

Your opinion is not more valid than someone else's because you were in the army. The fact that this is all you have to say as a response leads me to believe you don't even know what you're talking about.

 

[ChronicObsession]

I guess you are from Poland or Russia? The leader of the free world is not supposed to be a fucking moron or in the hot seat just because he has a new skin color that noone has seen before. The leader of the free world is supposed to be moving up and up and up. Legalizing marjiuana is the easiest way to do that

Wow. You must think he is the Messiah or something.........

Why don't you just admit that you will never be pleased and enjoy your insatiable frustration?

 

[DelSlow]

Talk to me when you serve bitch then maybe ill hear ya out

This is what we're spending our tax dollars on?

 

[RJ839]

The army is a bunch of unorganized dispensable shitheads I would never be apart of thats why their casualty rate is so high. Its probably what your uncle or brother served in. And You know nothing about taking lives, and it doesnt make my opinion anymore valuable than yours, it just makes more sense because Ive dont more than wake up and revolve my life around a weed website forum. And you spend your tax dollars on wefare idiot, thats why we didnt have side sapis in fuckin Iraq until 05. You dont kow what that is but its alright, arguing with you all does nothing. So ill pull back and watch you smoke away your miserable life while the big kids make shit happen and go to work. Im done with arguing with you all, theres no since in replying unless you want to show all your friends how smart you think you are.

 

[londonfog]

Everyone should serve at least two years serving this country (except for special cases such as physical or mental disorders or religious beliefs). .

 

[Dan Kone]

The army is a bunch of unorganized dispensable shitheads I would never be apart of thats why their casualty rate is so high. Its probably what your uncle or brother served in.

Nope. Hippie family.

And You know nothing about taking lives,

and hopefully I never will.

And you spend your tax dollars on wefare idiot

most of the tax money spent on welfare doesn't go to people, it goes to corporations. That's why I can't figure out why you misplace your anger at poor people instead of the real welfare recipients, large corporations.

, thats why we didnt have side sapis in fuckin Iraq until 05. You dont kow what that is but its alright, arguing with you all does nothing.

I do know we should have never been there in the first place. I also know you can't blame poor people for lack of body armor. Blame the Bush administration, they were calling the shots.

You dont kow what that is but its alright, arguing with you all does nothing. So ill pull back and watch you smoke away your miserable life while the big kids make shit happen and go to work. Im done with arguing with you all, theres no since in replying unless you want to show all your friends how smart you think you are.

Good. Take that ignorant superior attitude somewhere else.

 

[Dan Kone]

Everyone should serve at least two years serving this country (except for special cases such as physical or mental disorders or religious beliefs). .

How about the belief that we really aren't fighting anyone "in defense of our country" but instead fighting to defend multinational corporate profits which I believe is wrong. Why would I want to shoot people to defend haliburton's profits? I don't understand why that is something I should do.

 

[DelSlow]

The army is a bunch of unorganized dispensable shitheads I would never be apart of thats why their casualty rate is so high. Its probably what your uncle or brother served in. And You know nothing about taking lives, and it doesnt make my opinion anymore valuable than yours, it just makes more sense because Ive dont more than wake up and revolve my life around a weed website forum. And you spend your tax dollars on wefare idiot, thats why we didnt have side sapis in fuckin Iraq until 05. You dont kow what that is but its alright, arguing with you all does nothing. So ill pull back and watch you smoke away your miserable life while the big kids make shit happen and go to work. Im done with arguing with you all, theres no since in replying unless you want to show all your friends how smart you think you are.

Have fun being a pawn.

 

[mame]

How about the belief that we really aren't fighting anyone "in defense of our country" but instead fighting to defend multinational corporate profits which I believe is wrong. Why would I want to shoot people to defend haliburton's profits? I don't understand why that is something I should do.

McCain was recently promoting further U.S. involvement in the middle east(Libya)... This thought line is exactly what went through my mind... It's kind of funny because the CNN and the like were referring to him as a "maverick" again like he has any sort of integrity left. Fucking suckers! hahahaha

 

[londonfog]

How about the belief that we really aren't fighting anyone "in defense of our country" but instead fighting to defend multinational corporate profits which I believe is wrong. Why would I want to shoot people to defend haliburton's profits? I don't understand why that is something I should do.

very good points you make...I was thinking on the terms of actually serving to protect not invade...The Iraq war serves you well in the points you are making...again I was thinking in the terms of protecting.