give us more stimuli, right mame?

[ink the world]

YYou already know that companies are sitting on trillions. The way to unleash it is to tell them it's OK to make a profit. Telling them they are evil if they make money is not going to do it.

It really is that simple. Growth doesn't happen at the point of a gun.

Im gonna try to understand your logic here Jeff, bear with me.
Are you saying that while corporate profits are the highest in history that Obama has been holding business hostage somehow?
Can you actually point out how? I mean they are having record profits and still have their Bush tax cuts and subsidies, what has he actually done policy wise to hurt business?

Yea fuck them republicians for trying to stop the country from going bankrupt. Put the democrats back in so those bastards can destroy the country.

You laying the blame for the economy on Obama is laughable, See, thats the great thing about history and historical fact compared to baseless rhetoric.
Answer this, how was the economy, job growth and deficit before Bush took office?
How was it after?
How come hes the first modern president to see average personal wealth actually drop?
This theory that you and a lot on the right have abut tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy somehow creating jobs has been proven wrong by the last decade. That is a fact, you cant argue with actual figures. You can say whatver you want but the bottom line is that the Bush doctrine on the economy was an absolute failure in every way to everyone except massive corporations.

The people in your movement and people that share your policies are the very ones that put us into this mess to begin with. Asking your side how to fix the economy is like asking Trump for hairstyle advice.

these guys are great aren't they?

Not a single economic policy enacted by a conservative in well over 2years, but somehow it's still our fault.

Thankfully they were stopped before burning the entire barn down. An it still is your fault, its the politicians and their policies that you support that got us here Jeff. You cant undo history as much as your side seems to like to attempt.

 

[deprave]

u better watch it bro he will line graph your ass with some government statistics lol

 

[beardo]

lol. I love how you it's "so called 'high speed fail'" as if it's suspect if such a thing is really possible.

well done.

It can be done, Other countries have great high speed rail, but look at the current US high speed rail the time to travel and ticket price is a joke- Try going from Caimbridge to NYC check out time and price

 

[jeff f]

Don't worry guys, the next QE will be much larger, but it will have the exact same effect, kick the can down the road a bit and make the problem even worse. The middle class will get jack squat and the rich will get richer. You can bet that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan will continue to never have a single day in which they lose money on their bets.

there is no liquidity trap, there is so much liquidity it is oozing out all over the place, especially in the equities and commodities arenas.

They will continue pissing down our backs and telling us it is raining.

na, dont worry nd, these guys are smarter this time. didnt ya hear, they are gonna spend the money on high speed rail. it should definitely work then.

this is literally comical. you clowns should get your own show. how to talk like a parrot 101....or some stupid keynsian thought of name.

 

[jeff f]

i own a car but take the light rail whenever possible because....it is cheaper!

i would take it down to cali instead of driving if it were ever constructed.

i'm pretty sure a lot of floridians wouldn't mind it either, i hear traffic is hell all over that state.

well there ya go! there is your customer mame......can anyone say chevy volt?

yes, here in america we are just dying for the chance to ride a fucking train with a bunch of elitist snobs and hobo's. me and all my construction buddies and farmer friends will drive our 250's over to catch a train.

and you can tell the panty wastes at starbucks they have to pass on driving their lexus, and telling everyone else how to live, that now they gotta take the high speed rail. oh yes, this is sure to work....

you guys are fucking hilarious. nobody can make this shit up hahaha

hey lets just build a bunch of these fancy high rises and coral black people.....that should work....

 

[UncleBuck]

well there ya go! there is your customer mame......can anyone say chevy volt?

yes, here in america we are just dying for the chance to ride a fucking train with a bunch of elitist snobs and hobo's. me and all my construction buddies and farmer friends will drive our 250's over to catch a train.

and you can tell the panty wastes at starbucks they have to pass on driving their lexus, and telling everyone else how to live, that now they gotta take the high speed rail. oh yes, this is sure to work....

you guys are fucking hilarious. nobody can make this shit up hahaha

hey lets just build a bunch of these fancy high rises and coral black people.....that should work....

and your substantive rebuttal was where exactly?

 

[NoDrama]

I like the idea of High Speed rail, unfortunately the USA is a Car-centric society and so rail isn't going to ever supplant the Motor Vehicle unless the benefits are great and the cost is low. The only way that can happen is if Government subsidizes the hell out of it until it becomes planted in the psyche of Americans to use rail. We don't have the money.

The high speed rail better be high speed too, I have already ridden the trains in Japan and France and they are quite fast, You would think with the American ingenuity and engineering prowess we have we could put them to shame.

 

[UncleBuck]

I like the idea of High Speed rail, unfortunately the USA is a Car-centric society and so rail isn't going to ever supplant the Motor Vehicle unless the benefits are great and the cost is low. The only way that can happen is if Government subsidizes the hell out of it until it becomes planted in the psyche of Americans to use rail. We don't have the money.

The high speed rail better be high speed too, I have already ridden the trains in Japan and France and they are quite fast, You would think with the American ingenuity and engineering prowess we have we could put them to shame.

i agree with everything except where you say "we don't have the money".

this project is a money maker, and will put people back to work. a real investment in the american infrastructure and american worker. a step in the right direction to ween us off our dependence on foreign oil, too.

we are car-centric, but that can change if a cheaper, suitable replacement becomes available.

we were pretty broke after wwII as well, but we still found the money to build the interstates, and look at the positive effect that has had on our economy and standard of living.

 

[beardo]

I think if the govt is going to spend X amount of money theirs a good chance it would be better spent on developing highspeed rail than whatever it will be used for.

 

[Dan Kone]

The only way that can happen is if Government subsidizes the hell out of it until it becomes planted in the psyche of Americans to use rail. We don't have the money.

Never stopped us before. When it's time for tax cuts for the wealthy we always find a way to give it to them.

How about we repeal the tax cuts to the top 1% and pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and use the money we were going to spend to make a kick ass high speed rail system?

 

[NoDrama]

We might have been broke after WW2, but since we were the worlds economic engine and made 80% of the worlds needs we made a shit ton of cash and kept a huge advantage on manufacturing capacity until 1971, when we defaulted and went off the gold standard, its been downhill ever since. We didn't become so hugely successful after WW2 becasue FDR spent a lot of money, we did well because we were unscathed, almost every other country had been bombed relentlessly for the previous 4 years and had to rebuild everything. We had all that manufacturing from building stuff for the war, combine that with the American spirit and we were unstoppable.

 

[NoDrama]

Never stopped us before. When it's time for tax cuts for the wealthy we always find a way to give it to them.

How about we repeal the tax cuts to the top 1% and pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and use the money we were going to spend to make a kick ass high speed rail system?

Why don't we just make Gasoline so damned expensive it forces everyone to take a government subsidized rail system instead? Energy Prices will necessarily skyrocket.

 

[Dan Kone]

We might have been broke after WW2, but since we were the worlds economic engine

Do you know why we were that? It's because of the greatest government spending program in American history (ww2). After the war the factories that were cranking out shit for ww2 became the world's economic engine. We don't need a war to do that. I'm sure we can find unemployed folks who would be happy to build trains and solar panels.

 

[mame]

I like the idea of High Speed rail, unfortunately the USA is a Car-centric society and so rail isn't going to ever supplant the Motor Vehicle unless the benefits are great and the cost is low. The only way that can happen is if Government subsidizes the hell out of it until it becomes planted in the psyche of Americans to use rail. We don't have the money.

The high speed rail better be high speed too, I have already ridden the trains in Japan and France and they are quite fast, You would think with the American ingenuity and engineering prowess we have we could put them to shame.

What do you think about starting small, like up and down the east and west coasts basically connecting all of the high population cities while ignoring low population areas? I think in areas with high population density, high quality trains (current record holder goes 360mph, most in service in Europe are like 140-220mph according to Wiki) have a real potential to be solvent and hopefully even profitable. You wouldn't have to cover low population areas - and if you do(I'd rather not honestly, let them use the plane), I guess you could subsidize those less used lines with some profits from the system - but the system would have to be very successful for it to even be considered.

Check out Europes lines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:High_Speed_Railroad_Map_Europe_2011.png

They seem to be doing the same thing, building in the most populated areas... And they're expanding the system too.

 

[Uncultivated]

do you know why the economy hasn't finished rebounding??? b/c the stimulus wasn't big enough and b/c republicans shoved budget cutting down our recovering throats.

LMAO! Democrats had the white house, both houses of congress (with a filibuster-proof majority in the senate), and a lapdog media covering their asses, and its the evil old republicans fault that their agenda is a failure?

Fuck, if only the republicans were that powerful. I can't imagine we'd have a marxist in the whitehouse.

sigh... guess I'll go pack the bowl again...

I think I need to quit smoking weed

 

[jeff f]

I like the idea of High Speed rail, unfortunately the USA is a Car-centric society and so rail isn't going to ever supplant the Motor Vehicle unless the benefits are great and the cost is low. The only way that can happen is if Government subsidizes the hell out of it until it becomes planted in the psyche of Americans to use rail. We don't have the money.

The high speed rail better be high speed too, I have already ridden the trains in Japan and France and they are quite fast, You would think with the American ingenuity and engineering prowess we have we could put them to shame.

dont know if you notied, but we dont build those over here anymore. they would be built in japan or china (sarcasm)

 

[jeff f]

We might have been broke after WW2, but since we were the worlds economic engine and made 80% of the worlds needs we made a shit ton of cash and kept a huge advantage on manufacturing capacity until 1971, when we defaulted and went off the gold standard, its been downhill ever since. We didn't become so hugely successful after WW2 becasue FDR spent a lot of money, we did well because we were unscathed, almost every other country had been bombed relentlessly for the previous 4 years and had to rebuild everything. We had all that manufacturing from building stuff for the war, combine that with the American spirit and we were unstoppable.

thank you for so clearly stating the truth of the depression and how it ended and what caused the big boon. you should get that printed.

 

[jeff f]

What do you think about starting small, like up and down the east and west coasts basically connecting all of the high population cities while ignoring low population areas? I think in areas with high population density, high quality trains (current record holder goes 360mph, most in service in Europe are like 140-220mph according to Wiki) have a real potential to be solvent and hopefully even profitable. You wouldn't have to cover low population areas - and if you do(I'd rather not honestly, let them use the plane), I guess you could subsidize those less used lines with some profits from the system - but the system would have to be very successful for it to even be considered.

Check out Europes lines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:High_Speed_Railroad_Map_Europe_2011.png

They seem to be doing the same thing, building in the most populated areas... And they're expanding the system too.

you competition would be plains, and buses, and amtrak. the only way i can see that working is if you made it so they could carry cars. i dont want to save 3 hours to not have a car. no car, no sell.

 

[Dan Kone]

thank you for so clearly stating the truth of the depression and how it ended and what caused the big boon. you should get that printed.

Funny how much more effective "the American spirit" is when it's combined with FDR era economic plans. I guess the American spirit just isn't as good now that we've started cutting spending, giving tax cuts to billionaires, and stopped investing in infrastructure. Yeah, those conservative economic policies work just fine, it's the American spirit that's failing us!

 

[NoDrama]

Do you know why we were that? It's because of the greatest government spending program in American history (ww2). After the war the factories that were cranking out shit for ww2 became the world's economic engine. We don't need a war to do that. I'm sure we can find unemployed folks who would be happy to build trains and solar panels.

nope, thats not why America was the Greatest economic power, go back and read the post again, I explain it all really simple like. Its great you can find people to make solar panels and trains, but if no one can afford to buy the panels or ride the train its really just a futile situation and won't really help in the long run.