Hawaii Growers

[Puna Bud]

My attitude shipment FINALLY came, ordered on the 16th of may, arrived today, all my beer drinking and camping outside my front door finally payed off cus I was there to sign the envelope for the mail lady. I had to sign my name AND print my FULL NAME for her, wtf is this some sort of DEA conspiracy to prove I signed for my seeds? FUCK it was sketch, but I wont be ordering from tude anymore if I have to sign for my shit, sorry attitude.

to many people were placing orders and telling them that they never received their order. Attitude had to do something, and their answer was to get people to sign for their orders....this way retail seed fraud is prevented!

Anyways I got 10 Nirvana PPP, 5 Sensi skunk#1, and 5 Nirvana Kaya gold germing right now. They are in the wilderness so pray that they live,I sprinkled a "voodoo mix" of some herbs and spices to keep the mice/slugs/pests away from my seedlings, I hope it works, I cant tell you how heart broken ill be to see 20 seedlings all eaten up.

brah, you will be heart broken again if you do the exact same thing you did in 09. I'm talking about visiting your guerilla grow 4 or 5 times during life of the grow. You'll end up with an entirely seeded crop again...is that your game plan?

 

[vman2003]

So im thinking that I have more indica in my plant. The seed I got was purple decal mix I don't know which is which is indica or sativa. well guys whats a good outdoor sativa stain? I will be ordering online. Also purple haze anyone knows what website
I can find it that will ship to Hawaii?

 

[Dr. Greenhorn]

and I don't think my Tangerine Dream seeds are gonna pop, so thats it.....I think...

on another forum I'm a member of, they have a growers cup comp. with everyone growing tangerine dream. and by the looks of it, the tangerine dream is pretty much rubbish. if you want to check the thread of the tangerine dream growers cup comp., shoot me a pm and I will shoot you a link.


@cooter - I know where the polo fields is at but never watched. sounds like fun though. I'll shoot you a pm down the road when I got some free time and we can smoke some herbs and talk story. I'll bring the homie kkday too

 

[anherbman]

Aloha Oahu ASA... We hope you can join in the rally....

June 17, 2011 is the 40th Anniversary of the Declaration of the War on Drugs.

STOP THE DRUG WAR RALLY & SIGNWAVING
FRIDAY, JUNE 17, 2011
Hawaii State CAPITOL ROTUNDA
4 p.m. – 6 p.m.

June 17 will mark forty years since President Richard Nixon, citing drug abuse as “public enemy No. 1”, officially declared a "war on drugs." A trillion dollars and millions of ruined lives later, the war on drugs remains an abject failure.

Drug policy reform advocates all across the country will mark this auspicious date with a day of action to raise awareness about the failure of drug prohibition and call for an exit strategy to the failed war on drugs. Let's make Hawaii's event one of the biggest.

We're asking everyone who harbors reservations about the war on drugs -- to join us at the rally.

Hawaii has been a willing partner in the drug war. Our jails and prisons, filled with nonviolent drug lawbreakers, are testament to that sad fact. Which has done more harm – drugs or the drug war, which has tattered the social fabric of Hawai`i and helped decimate the safety net for our most vulnerable community members?

We really want to have a BIG turnout for the rally and sign waving. Isn’t it worth 2 hours of your time to question the government about the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS going to fund the LARGEST UNEVALUATED government program ever?

We will have extra signs, but we encourage everyone to bring signs.

For more information contact: [email protected]
Jeanne Ohta
Executive Director
Drug Policy Forum of Hawaii

 

[Waiakeauka]

My attitude shipment FINALLY came, ordered on the 16th of may, arrived today, all my beer drinking and camping outside my front door finally payed off cus I was there to sign the envelope for the mail lady. I had to sign my name AND print my FULL NAME for her, wtf is this some sort of DEA conspiracy to prove I signed for my seeds? FUCK it was sketch, but I wont be ordering from tude anymore if I have to sign for my shit, sorry attitude.

Aloha Grassfield,

I told you cuz no worries you going get your order. I know I had to sign my package that Customs had confiscated, I didn't feel good about doing that. I just tried to place another order with Attitude and made the request to not send in registered mail so will let you know what happens. I am hoping that Attitude will honor my request and send it not registered mail, if they want to verify if there orders was delivered all they would need is delivery confirmation and not registered mail.


Aloha,
Waiakeauka

 

[Cru3l]

That DJ Short article was really good. I should try outdoors.

 

[LQs]

Thanks for posting that article Grass! And I will be sure to post some new pics as she matures.

 

[pepperbelly]

on another forum I'm a member of, they have a growers cup comp. with everyone growing tangerine dream. and by the looks of it, the tangerine dream is pretty much rubbish. if you want to check the thread of the tangerine dream growers cup comp., shoot me a pm and I will shoot you a link.


@cooter - I know where the polo fields is at but never watched. sounds like fun though. I'll shoot you a pm down the road when I got some free time and we can smoke some herbs and talk story. I'll bring the homie kkday too

lemme know G ...its adrive but i bring sack lunch ...anyday but 7/4 cus i be riding trails at at the Kahuku track...holla back atcha boy

 

[grassified]

So im thinking that I have more indica in my plant. The seed I got was purple decal mix I don't know which is which is indica or sativa. well guys whats a good outdoor sativa stain? I will be ordering online. Also purple haze anyone knows what website
I can find it that will ship to Hawaii?

ive been lookin at pure sativas, something that would do well in our tropical climate. I want to get mandalas mango zamal. Just look at these crazy buds! Straight up christmas buds.

Plus its supposedly an "immortal"strain that revenges and you can get multiple harvests from one plant.

 

[Sheckster]

I used Attitude seeds about three years ago for several purchases, always paid extra for the stealthiest of shipping. The first couple transactions worked out well... At the time I had gone with Black Domina, The Hogg, Deep Purple, Afghani, and Blue Cheese... Note- I kept none of these strains after 1 run
The next order didn't arrive as usual after the 10-14 days (for the previous two orders). I waited another two weeks before contacting them. Finally I emailed and was told that they had gotten out a few days later than anticipated and they would arrive soon.. After 6 weeks I figured they just got picked off or ripped off, it happens. I didn't bother contacting Attitude for a refund because I understand that seeds are contraband and that is the risk we take for trying to get seeds we normally would not be able to obtain.
Next order arrived 35 days late and it came with the infamous green customs tape... I believe you can find a photo a few hundred pages back ... Again I didn't bother requesting a refund since I knew that I was lucky to be getting exotic strains at all...
My final attempt was late again (6 weeks by now) so I contacted them again... They responded with some skepticism, which I certainly understand given the fact that people do try to scam refunds when they aren't entitled to them (See Puna's previous post). I was pissed off enough that I decided to try an alternate route for getting seeds...
At that point in time I just said-

No way in hell would I ever sign for a seed purchase!!! Not that the purchase alone could be punishable, but it provides the federal authorities with probable cause and material evidence to go to a judge to get permission to initiate surveillance on you. Postal tracking technology can easily accomplish the same thing as a signature (lol the punishment is a lot worse if you get caught signing with a fake name)...
I can just imagine some fiendish Orwellian plot where the Govt has approached a certain seedbroker and said "Hey,, we are gonna go after your ass for distributing seeds to the US and put you in prison for a long time (see Marc Emery story) ".... and the Govt lets them continue under some kind of sinister deal...


I couple of breeders that I know back in California had suggested that I check out thcfarmer for seeds. Have always had success with that venue, I had seeds confiscated once... I emailed Logic (guy who runs thcfarmer) and he replaced my order with twice the amount of seeds I ordered, all from his personal stock (thats how I got Dr. Candyman's Ape Dawg and Raskal's Strawberry White), seeds which had auctioned for hundreds of dollars.. I was sold~

At this point in time I just go straight to the source.. I've got to know several top notch breeders and one thing most of them had in common was over-inflated egos, with the exception on Mosca who is a pretty chill dude.. I would suggest getting on several different forums like other posters in this thread do and find breeders that grow that kine you like... Send them a message saying something like this"
Hey I live in Hawaii and I was wondering if you wanted someone to test grow your Green Crack (whatever strain you are going after). As you know Hawaii has the best growing conditions in the world and your strains are easily some of the best available (this is where you work their ego). I would be happy to provide you with some insane photos of the final product.....
9 out of 10 times this will get you some positive result.
You may take this and use it if you want.. I am satisfied with my current seed library to the point that I can't grow strains that I want to for a long time due to the damned 7 plant limit!!!!!
That and the only strain currently on my wish list is a near impossible strain to find called Fallbrook grown in the San Diego area..

 

[Cooter@666]

[/QUOTE]@cooter - I know where the polo fields is at but never watched. sounds like fun though. I'll shoot you a pm down the road when I got some free time and we can smoke some herbs and talk story. I'll bring the homie kkday too [/QUOTE]

Rajah dat Dr. G....it's good fun!....the guy who runs the event always tells us...."you know this is private property and there are no cops here, so smoke your weed, take your pills do whatever you want"....and we take full advantage of it and thank god I don’t have a jealous wife because there's a lot of chicks prancing around. It would be rad to hang with you and kkday, it would be cool to get the whole hawaii riu gang out there for a little hi-jinks....chaaa-hoo!
http://www.dillinghamranch.com/hawaiipoloclub.htm

 

[Dr. Greenhorn]

Aloha Oahu ASA... We hope you can join in the rally....

June 17, 2011 is the 40th Anniversary of the Declaration of the War on Drugs.

STOP THE DRUG WAR RALLY & SIGNWAVING
FRIDAY, JUNE 17, 2011
Hawaii State CAPITOL ROTUNDA
4 p.m. – 6 p.m.

June 17 will mark forty years since President Richard Nixon, citing drug abuse as “public enemy No. 1”, officially declared a "war on drugs." A trillion dollars and millions of ruined lives later, the war on drugs remains an abject failure.

Drug policy reform advocates all across the country will mark this auspicious date with a day of action to raise awareness about the failure of drug prohibition and call for an exit strategy to the failed war on drugs. Let's make Hawaii's event one of the biggest.

We're asking everyone who harbors reservations about the war on drugs -- to join us at the rally.

Hawaii has been a willing partner in the drug war. Our jails and prisons, filled with nonviolent drug lawbreakers, are testament to that sad fact. Which has done more harm – drugs or the drug war, which has tattered the social fabric of Hawai`i and helped decimate the safety net for our most vulnerable community members?

We really want to have a BIG turnout for the rally and sign waving. Isn’t it worth 2 hours of your time to question the government about the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS going to fund the LARGEST UNEVALUATED government program ever?

We will have extra signs, but we encourage everyone to bring signs.

For more information contact: [email protected]
Jeanne Ohta
Executive Director
Drug Policy Forum of Hawaii

hey herbman. bring that magic bag of weed and I'm there! lol

 

[Dr. Greenhorn]

lemme know G ...its adrive but i bring sack lunch ...anyday but 7/4 cus i be riding trails at at the Kahuku track...holla back atcha boy

automatic.

I never know you ride dirtbike! I haven't rode in awhile. we gotta ride the trails someday too.

 

[Dr. Greenhorn]

@cooter - I know where the polo fields is at but never watched. sounds like fun though. I'll shoot you a pm down the road when I got some free time and we can smoke some herbs and talk story. I'll bring the homie kkday too [/QUOTE]

Rajah dat Dr. G....it's good fun!....the guy who runs the event always tells us...."you know this is private property and there are no cops here, so smoke your weed, take your pills do whatever you want"....and we take full advantage of it and thank god I don’t have a jealous wife because there's a lot of chicks prancing around. It would be rad to hang with you and kkday, it would be cool to get the whole hawaii riu gang out there for a little hi-jinks....chaaa-hoo!
http://www.dillinghamranch.com/hawaiipoloclub.htm[/QUOTE]

3 in a row, triple post HAT TRICK!!!! LOL

ya man, we go hook up for sure one of these days. try get some of the gang from this thread for hook up too. I'm sure a few would be down. we did it a couple of times in the past.

lot's of chicks prancing around huh, see you there this coming sunday then, lol! hahahaa


cheeee-huuuu!!!

 

[pepperbelly]

automatic.

I never know you ride dirtbike! I haven't rode in awhile. we gotta ride the trails someday too.

Camped up there on Memorial weekend ...be up there on the 4th campin again.
I like them trails.

 

[grassified]

HAWAIIAN PAKALOLO PREFACE

The islands of hawaii has had herb on it for an unknown amount of time. Native hawaiians began smoking it well before the herb scene exploded in the 60's but exactly when and what type of weed is unknown. Many believe they were mostly asians shipped in during the hawaiian heyday of the "roaring '20s" while prohibition revived a pot market. Hawaii is another one of those places with 3 seasons a year and plants grow just like the jamaicans. Straight SOG style plants, that take up little rootspace and handle heat and humidity with grace.

Hawaiian herb got to be famous during the 70's when there was weed from all over. One of the very first shipments was a strain called Maui Waui. How much truth there is to the legend we'll never know I suppose but they say a local botanist by the name of Dr. Waui began working with a strain of thai descent that would grow well in the shallow hawaiian soil. Dr. Waui had found a strain that would grow between 2-4 ounces per plant each season. There was no helicopter patrol at the time so it was pretty much open planting and within 3-4 seasons he had numerous 55 gallon drums of Maui Waui but the market was already overflowing in HI. So one summer after a word from his friend he shipped the barrels to California. It was a summer drought like always and people were ecstatic to get fresh island bud. And supposedly this is how the legend was born.

HAWAIIAN POT SCENE: THEN AND NOW

What people refer to as "old school pakalolo" from the 70's were mainly in reference to the numerous strains being grown by locals. Typically near or pure sativa what hawaiian growers refer to as "90 day wonders" because they typically finish start to end in about 90 days. In the early days weed was plentiful and cheap because there were enough growers and few enough police. The reality of the situation is most of hawaii has shallow rocky soil and is often nutrient depleted or extremely high in ph. The constant change of seasons makes it impossible to give plants any real amount of veg time so they flower almost immediately, and yield a really sad average of between 5-30 grams per plant for two of the three seasons. The long season is capable of growing large plants but many don't get the time to finish before the next season comes.

But since there were enough people and empty land there was simply enough weed. You could plant as many plants as you wanted. And before the helicopter patrols you could plant giant growing sativas that would yield well. Each island had its own little flavor and specialty buds. Some famous strains of the day were elephant ear, buddha stick, molokai leper bud, maui waui, blood, and many others were plentiful and easily available.

Unfortunately the scene today is changed quite a bit. There is endless helicopter patrols who make no real arrests but spend all day ruining personal growers stashes. Its very hard to grow commercial plots of herb in hawaii so its mostly personal growers who let off the excess harvests to the market. As you can imagine with yields being so low and situations so tough there isn't that much to go around. So hawaii stays in a perpetual state of being semi dry and its a case of "who you know" more than probably anywhere else because there is constantly a harvest going on, you just need to find it. Since local grown bud is unreliable to say the least dealers started importing weed. Surprisingly alot of the bud you'll come across in hawaii is the same shit you might come across in new jersey or southern california. Beaster and everything else.

There is plenty of local grown bud but since the helicopter harassment is so bad alot of it is loosely tended and rarely truely ripe. Growers make touch and go plots that produce midgrade type weed and thus they rely on alot of mail in for the high end stuff.

What people tell me about hawaii pakalolo prices is pretty much the same thing every time. Incredibly expensive or pretty much free. polar extremes. Shitty beaster 1/8s for 60 bucks or more quality for about 80 and 1/8. 600 dollar ounces are not uncommon at all. On the other hand since prices are so high many people grow their own weed. So you may meet a grower with a deal. Like my friend told me when he moved to hawaii. He was there 2 weeks flat ass broke living out a van and couldn't afford any bud. He was surfing and met some hippy who offered to sell him some. My friend said "thanks man but I gotta save up for rent, I can't afford weed right now." The hippy told him to follow him to the woods. They walked down a trail and he showed him a little patch of herb deep in some bushes. They then walked further down and the hippy had a garbage bag buried. When he opened it up there was about a half a lb of weed in it and he gave both of my friends two heaping handfuls each for 10 dollars and told him "welcome to hawaii."


As far as finding classic pakalolo nowadays its really more of a name than a reality. Hawaii has 3 seasons per year and this means strains change 3x as fast. When first brought to the island hardly any plants do very well. But they get used to it and start thriving and adapting. That is one thing I've spoken to several hawaiian growers about and they all agree its very hard to keep a stone how you want it there. They just keep evolving and strains don't stay the same. So the bud you remembered 30 years ago might have a totally different effect today. However the flip side to this is good news. It means new hawaiian strains are being created all the time as they adjust. However they are more and more often having indica genes in them from the same old sources. The new scene has an indica fetish in hawaii and its not good for native outdoor bud.


The best place to find old school ones is probably the hardest. The native hawaiians are usually not very friendly in particular with white people and there is alot of racial tension there. The native hawaiians feel as though they've been ****ed and its not that easy for an outsider to make friends. The government gave the hawaiians one island to do their native traditions as they please, and I think they don't even have chopper patrols there. My friends tell me this would be the best bet.

My particular friends from hawaii are from the north shore of Kuai. Each island is different and has their own little culture and vibe. When I get some time and money I'm going out there to visit. My friend used to live in the woods with the hippies and wants to show me the library and have me talk to the growers.

You see all over hawaii there is a real "squatter" problem. Homeless folk. Many of them are willingly homeless and would just rather surf and grow weed than get jobs. The government doesn't exactly like their presence and stomps out their camps when they can. My friend used to live with these people when he was too poor. Eventually he bought a van and started living in it but for several months he was with the hippies. They have several guys that do mostly growing in the group and my buddy says they are pretty knowledgeable. I'll have to see what they are growing. The thing that really got me interested was my friend said they have a "hippy library." A bunch of books in ziplock bags in water proof box in the communal area they share. He said they are mustly smelling and mostly falling apart but legible. There is apparently a book written by the growers who've floated through there for many many years. at least since the early 80's and they've all written about the strains they are growing and tips and tricks. I'd like to see what they have written down from the old growers.

"here is apparently a book written by the growers who've floated through there for many many years. at least since the early 80's and they've all written about the strains they are growing and tips and tricks. I'd like to see what they have written down from the old growers"

Its the holy hawaiian grow bible! we must find it!!!!

Hawaiian

Hawaiian a true classic. There is something special about a good island herb, and Hawaiian is among the best. When properly grown outdoors it has a wonderful and unique bouquet of fruity spice, similar to the sweetness of the fine Thai, but with a kind of tangy taste.

Good Hawaiian herb has always been a devastatingly powerful experience for me. It is very psychedelic and internally focused, contemplative and overpoweringly meditative. A Walk with the King, a Dance with the Queen, and a sunset on the beach! Aah... Hawaiian!

I have tried to equal the Hawaiian experience outdoor on the mainland, and indoors, with no success. Everything I have grown from Hawaiian stock turned out to be nowhere near the quality of the parent stock. This is true for three generations of trials. The product from Hawaiian seed was equal to the best plants grown from mid-quality Colombian stock!

This led me to a hypothesis about Hawaii: that just about any stock grown in Hawaii will turn out to be of unique and relatively high quality. Hawaii just happens to be one of those special places, I suppose.

All breeding attempts with Hawaiian stock were dumped from my garden by 1983. It was a pretty and robust plant though, and also quite productive. Just not all that impressive when grown outside its homeland.

I want this "Hawaiian" herb, something that an old timer has already acclimated to our climate. Anybody know of any legit strains with legit Hawaiian genetics?

The new scene has an indica fetish in hawaii and its not good for native outdoor bud.

Oh yeah and screw this damn "indica fetish" hawaii has its so true!!!!! Everyone wants a fat indica nug to look at in the bag. It's sad really I got so many friends who never smoked a good outdoor grown sativa in their life, they dont know what "good weed" is even though they think they do. This indica fetish has all this indoor stuff (that isnt all that good, jsut good bag appeal) floating around that I don't like, I can tell it isn't good weed, just high yielding, good bag appeal middies.

 

[Hawaiian kind]

Aloha guys

Puna sorry been slamed I know u want the mags and other things just need to remember 1 day to put it out I will and you will be glad one day when you get your mail. LoL


Indica Vs sativa LOL Indica is like a ferrari you always want it but it cost to much to produce and run so most people drive a Toyota last longer run stronger and better bang for your buck. Maybe I shouldn't say Toyota maybe Ford nope there all going to shit lets ride bikes instead.

So here is a little Bud porn for you guys
FYI - this is a Litro Grow And Glow Grow With a 600 on one side as you can see they are flowering nicely

Aloha HK

 

[Dr. Greenhorn]

hey what's up hawaiian kind. they be looking good dude.

 

[ignite808]

lots of great info in this thread... i was very curious on the number of grows. i currently have some sfv og kush and tahoe og going outdoors.
im curious when u guys say a later harvest, how much later? if it takes too long i am most likely going to handle it light dep style to speed things up.

 

[ignite808]

i just got my medi out here but the laws arent clearly defined... anyone have a link or know if you're allowed to give genetics to other patients i.e. cuttings or seeds.