Hawaii Growers

grassified said:

My attitude shipment FINALLY came, ordered on the 16th of may, arrived today, all my beer drinking and camping outside my front door finally payed off cus I was there to sign the envelope for the mail lady. I had to sign my name AND print my FULL NAME for her, wtf is this some sort of DEA conspiracy to prove I signed for my seeds? FUCK it was sketch, but I wont be ordering from tude anymore if I have to sign for my shit, sorry attitude.

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grassified said:

Anyways I got 10 Nirvana PPP, 5 Sensi skunk#1, and 5 Nirvana Kaya gold germing right now. They are in the wilderness so pray that they live,I sprinkled a "voodoo mix" of some herbs and spices to keep the mice/slugs/pests away from my seedlings, I hope it works, I cant tell you how heart broken ill be to see 20 seedlings all eaten up.

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SurfdOut said:

and I don't think my Tangerine Dream seeds are gonna pop, so thats it.....I think...

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grassified said:

My attitude shipment FINALLY came, ordered on the 16th of may, arrived today, all my beer drinking and camping outside my front door finally payed off cus I was there to sign the envelope for the mail lady. I had to sign my name AND print my FULL NAME for her, wtf is this some sort of DEA conspiracy to prove I signed for my seeds? FUCK it was sketch, but I wont be ordering from tude anymore if I have to sign for my shit, sorry attitude.

Aloha Grassfield,

I told you cuz no worries you going get your order. I know I had to sign my package that Customs had confiscated, I didn't feel good about doing that. I just tried to place another order with Attitude and made the request to not send in registered mail so will let you know what happens. I am hoping that Attitude will honor my request and send it not registered mail, if they want to verify if there orders was delivered all they would need is delivery confirmation and not registered mail.


Aloha,
Waiakeauka

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Dr. Greenhorn said:

on another forum I'm a member of, they have a growers cup comp. with everyone growing tangerine dream. and by the looks of it, the tangerine dream is pretty much rubbish. if you want to check the thread of the tangerine dream growers cup comp., shoot me a pm and I will shoot you a link.


@cooter - I know where the polo fields is at but never watched. sounds like fun though. I'll shoot you a pm down the road when I got some free time and we can smoke some herbs and talk story. I'll bring the homie kkday too

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vman2003 said:

So im thinking that I have more indica in my plant. The seed I got was purple decal mix I don't know which is which is indica or sativa. well guys whats a good outdoor sativa stain? I will be ordering online. Also purple haze anyone knows what website
I can find it that will ship to Hawaii?

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anherbman said:

Aloha Oahu ASA... We hope you can join in the rally....

June 17, 2011 is the 40th Anniversary of the Declaration of the War on Drugs.

STOP THE DRUG WAR RALLY & SIGNWAVING
FRIDAY, JUNE 17, 2011
Hawaii State CAPITOL ROTUNDA
4 p.m. – 6 p.m.

June 17 will mark forty years since President Richard Nixon, citing drug abuse as “public enemy No. 1”, officially declared a "war on drugs." A trillion dollars and millions of ruined lives later, the war on drugs remains an abject failure.

Drug policy reform advocates all across the country will mark this auspicious date with a day of action to raise awareness about the failure of drug prohibition and call for an exit strategy to the failed war on drugs. Let's make Hawaii's event one of the biggest.

We're asking everyone who harbors reservations about the war on drugs -- to join us at the rally.

Hawaii has been a willing partner in the drug war. Our jails and prisons, filled with nonviolent drug lawbreakers, are testament to that sad fact. Which has done more harm – drugs or the drug war, which has tattered the social fabric of Hawai`i and helped decimate the safety net for our most vulnerable community members?

We really want to have a BIG turnout for the rally and sign waving. Isn’t it worth 2 hours of your time to question the government about the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS going to fund the LARGEST UNEVALUATED government program ever?

We will have extra signs, but we encourage everyone to bring signs.

For more information contact: [email protected]
Jeanne Ohta
Executive Director
Drug Policy Forum of Hawaii

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pepperbelly said:

lemme know G ...its adrive but i bring sack lunch ...anyday but 7/4 cus i be riding trails at at the Kahuku track...holla back atcha boy

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Dr. Greenhorn said:

automatic.

I never know you ride dirtbike! I haven't rode in awhile. we gotta ride the trails someday too.

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HAWAIIAN PAKALOLO PREFACE

The islands of hawaii has had herb on it for an unknown amount of time. Native hawaiians began smoking it well before the herb scene exploded in the 60's but exactly when and what type of weed is unknown. Many believe they were mostly asians shipped in during the hawaiian heyday of the "roaring '20s" while prohibition revived a pot market. Hawaii is another one of those places with 3 seasons a year and plants grow just like the jamaicans. Straight SOG style plants, that take up little rootspace and handle heat and humidity with grace.

Hawaiian herb got to be famous during the 70's when there was weed from all over. One of the very first shipments was a strain called Maui Waui. How much truth there is to the legend we'll never know I suppose but they say a local botanist by the name of Dr. Waui began working with a strain of thai descent that would grow well in the shallow hawaiian soil. Dr. Waui had found a strain that would grow between 2-4 ounces per plant each season. There was no helicopter patrol at the time so it was pretty much open planting and within 3-4 seasons he had numerous 55 gallon drums of Maui Waui but the market was already overflowing in HI. So one summer after a word from his friend he shipped the barrels to California. It was a summer drought like always and people were ecstatic to get fresh island bud. And supposedly this is how the legend was born.

HAWAIIAN POT SCENE: THEN AND NOW

What people refer to as "old school pakalolo" from the 70's were mainly in reference to the numerous strains being grown by locals. Typically near or pure sativa what hawaiian growers refer to as "90 day wonders" because they typically finish start to end in about 90 days. In the early days weed was plentiful and cheap because there were enough growers and few enough police. The reality of the situation is most of hawaii has shallow rocky soil and is often nutrient depleted or extremely high in ph. The constant change of seasons makes it impossible to give plants any real amount of veg time so they flower almost immediately, and yield a really sad average of between 5-30 grams per plant for two of the three seasons. The long season is capable of growing large plants but many don't get the time to finish before the next season comes.

But since there were enough people and empty land there was simply enough weed. You could plant as many plants as you wanted. And before the helicopter patrols you could plant giant growing sativas that would yield well. Each island had its own little flavor and specialty buds. Some famous strains of the day were elephant ear, buddha stick, molokai leper bud, maui waui, blood, and many others were plentiful and easily available.

Unfortunately the scene today is changed quite a bit. There is endless helicopter patrols who make no real arrests but spend all day ruining personal growers stashes. Its very hard to grow commercial plots of herb in hawaii so its mostly personal growers who let off the excess harvests to the market. As you can imagine with yields being so low and situations so tough there isn't that much to go around. So hawaii stays in a perpetual state of being semi dry and its a case of "who you know" more than probably anywhere else because there is constantly a harvest going on, you just need to find it. Since local grown bud is unreliable to say the least dealers started importing weed. Surprisingly alot of the bud you'll come across in hawaii is the same shit you might come across in new jersey or southern california. Beaster and everything else.

There is plenty of local grown bud but since the helicopter harassment is so bad alot of it is loosely tended and rarely truely ripe. Growers make touch and go plots that produce midgrade type weed and thus they rely on alot of mail in for the high end stuff.

What people tell me about hawaii pakalolo prices is pretty much the same thing every time. Incredibly expensive or pretty much free. polar extremes. Shitty beaster 1/8s for 60 bucks or more quality for about 80 and 1/8. 600 dollar ounces are not uncommon at all. On the other hand since prices are so high many people grow their own weed. So you may meet a grower with a deal. Like my friend told me when he moved to hawaii. He was there 2 weeks flat ass broke living out a van and couldn't afford any bud. He was surfing and met some hippy who offered to sell him some. My friend said "thanks man but I gotta save up for rent, I can't afford weed right now." The hippy told him to follow him to the woods. They walked down a trail and he showed him a little patch of herb deep in some bushes. They then walked further down and the hippy had a garbage bag buried. When he opened it up there was about a half a lb of weed in it and he gave both of my friends two heaping handfuls each for 10 dollars and told him "welcome to hawaii."


As far as finding classic pakalolo nowadays its really more of a name than a reality. Hawaii has 3 seasons per year and this means strains change 3x as fast. When first brought to the island hardly any plants do very well. But they get used to it and start thriving and adapting. That is one thing I've spoken to several hawaiian growers about and they all agree its very hard to keep a stone how you want it there. They just keep evolving and strains don't stay the same. So the bud you remembered 30 years ago might have a totally different effect today. However the flip side to this is good news. It means new hawaiian strains are being created all the time as they adjust. However they are more and more often having indica genes in them from the same old sources. The new scene has an indica fetish in hawaii and its not good for native outdoor bud.


The best place to find old school ones is probably the hardest. The native hawaiians are usually not very friendly in particular with white people and there is alot of racial tension there. The native hawaiians feel as though they've been ****ed and its not that easy for an outsider to make friends. The government gave the hawaiians one island to do their native traditions as they please, and I think they don't even have chopper patrols there. My friends tell me this would be the best bet.

My particular friends from hawaii are from the north shore of Kuai. Each island is different and has their own little culture and vibe. When I get some time and money I'm going out there to visit. My friend used to live in the woods with the hippies and wants to show me the library and have me talk to the growers.

You see all over hawaii there is a real "squatter" problem. Homeless folk. Many of them are willingly homeless and would just rather surf and grow weed than get jobs. The government doesn't exactly like their presence and stomps out their camps when they can. My friend used to live with these people when he was too poor. Eventually he bought a van and started living in it but for several months he was with the hippies. They have several guys that do mostly growing in the group and my buddy says they are pretty knowledgeable. I'll have to see what they are growing. The thing that really got me interested was my friend said they have a "hippy library." A bunch of books in ziplock bags in water proof box in the communal area they share. He said they are mustly smelling and mostly falling apart but legible. There is apparently a book written by the growers who've floated through there for many many years. at least since the early 80's and they've all written about the strains they are growing and tips and tricks. I'd like to see what they have written down from the old growers.

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Hawaiian

Hawaiian a true classic. There is something special about a good island herb, and Hawaiian is among the best. When properly grown outdoors it has a wonderful and unique bouquet of fruity spice, similar to the sweetness of the fine Thai, but with a kind of tangy taste.

Good Hawaiian herb has always been a devastatingly powerful experience for me. It is very psychedelic and internally focused, contemplative and overpoweringly meditative. A Walk with the King, a Dance with the Queen, and a sunset on the beach! Aah... Hawaiian!

I have tried to equal the Hawaiian experience outdoor on the mainland, and indoors, with no success. Everything I have grown from Hawaiian stock turned out to be nowhere near the quality of the parent stock. This is true for three generations of trials. The product from Hawaiian seed was equal to the best plants grown from mid-quality Colombian stock!

This led me to a hypothesis about Hawaii: that just about any stock grown in Hawaii will turn out to be of unique and relatively high quality. Hawaii just happens to be one of those special places, I suppose.

All breeding attempts with Hawaiian stock were dumped from my garden by 1983. It was a pretty and robust plant though, and also quite productive. Just not all that impressive when grown outside its homeland.

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The new scene has an indica fetish in hawaii and its not good for native outdoor bud.

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