If Area 51 Held Aliens At One Time...

[Josh3235]

I know you feel more comfortable when you hear the truth. but i'm talking about people in general, not you. a lot of adults STILL act like kids. just because your 40 doesn't mean your mature. and yeah, their not going to leave the spaceship behind, their going to take it and learn more about it. what would the public do with a spaceship?? rofl.

 

[Tenner]

I know you feel more comfortable when you hear the truth. but i'm talking about people in general, not you. a lot of adults STILL act like kids. just because your 40 doesn't mean your mature. and yeah, their not going to leave the spaceship behind, their going to take it and learn more about it. what would the public do with a spaceship?? rofl.

My point is, IF this did happen then why let the government lie about it and use it all in aircrafts to hide away for when they get into war? If people did know about it we would also know what sort of technology is being recovered and how it could be used to benefit us, not war.

It don`t feel nice to give the power to some war machines to decide what they do with important things like this. They have sick minds, look at the things they can do and did over history. How will war ever end with people like this isolated from our opinions?

These are just ideas anyway, I give it a %95 chance there were no aliens.

 

[Josh3235]

how do we force the government to tell the truth to the public? IDK how we can possibly force the government to tell the truth. they take the spaceship before any people get there, plus they block off the area. or they use Chinooks to carry it out of the desert if its too far in. we can't force the government to do anything physically, or verbally. they do what they want. and no citizen wastes their time driving wayyy out into the desert just to see the government already transported the spaceship to area 51.

 

[Kodank Moment]

If there is life on earth...there is life on other planets. Deal with it. We aren't some special planet. There is a complete possibility aliens have been here multiple times. Its just a fact. To think otherwise is ignorant. As far a Big Gov. Having space tech from another planet...again very possible. You can't even come close enough to Area 51 to see the fence. Trust me. I've played a lot of Grand Theft Auto .....I'd know.

 

[Josh3235]

And for all we know, there could be aliens hiding INSIDE the moon spying on earth. We could be toys or an experiment of the aliens. We still don't know whats in the huge moon craters. and yeah, like kodank said, we're not a special planet. well we are because we are able to live on earth unlike other planets. but we barely discovered any planets yet. remember, there is a whole universe out there.

 

[Heisenberg]

And for all we know, there could be aliens hiding INSIDE the moon spying on earth. We could be toys or an experiment of the aliens. We still don't know whats in the huge moon craters. and yeah, like kodank said, we're not a special planet. well we are because we are able to live on earth unlike other planets. but we barely discovered any planets yet. remember, there is a whole universe out there.

Luckily we don't accumulate knowledge by counting things we are ignorant of as evidence. This is known as an appeal to ignorance.

Considering the number of planets able to support life,(drake equation says about 20 just in the milky way alone) it seems very very likely we are not alone, however we have absolutely no evidence of this, not a shred, also known a the fermi paradox. To explain why we have such a contrast between high probability of alien life but no evidence of contact, some people have come up the concept of the great filter, and the Zoo hypotheses.

Aliens would still be subject to the laws of physics, and considering to travel just one light year you would have to go 186,282 mps for an entire year, you start to get an idea of how unlikely it is that even an advanced civilization could travel to our planet. So although the possibility of other life seems quite high, the chance that they have achieved faster than light travel seems very low, and the idea that once they do overcome this obstacle they then travel to earth to mutilate cattle and leave functionless bits of metal in peoples feet, seems absurd.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

Area 51 was a experimental aircraft research site. such air crafts like the "Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird" & "B2 Spirit Stealth bomber". The alien thing was created by people telling bs stories. The government never lied about aleins, and would you go around telling every one where you grow. Dont think so they need to have some secrets or else we would be speaking Russian.

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The Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird Was Build in the 1960's and is still the fastest manned airplane in the world.

Think about that time are calculators were still the size of shopping carts.

You dont find anything wrong with a jet that can go mach 3 and take a retna scan of an eyeball 2 miles away all at the same time?
You think thats 1959 technology? I only wonder what we have reversed engineered since then.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

Luckily we don't accumulate knowledge by counting things we are ignorant of as evidence. This is known as an appeal to ignorance.

Considering the number of planets able to support life,(drake equation says about 20 just in the milky way alone) it seems very very likely we are not alone, however we have absolutely no evidence of this, not a shred, also known a the fermi paradox. To explain why we have such a contrast between high probability of alien life but no evidence of contact, some people have come up the concept of the great filter.

Aliens would still be subject to the laws of physics, and considering to travel just one light year you would have to go 186,282 mps for an entire year, you start to get an idea of how unlikely it is that even an advanced civilization could travel to our planet. So although the possibility of other life seems quite high, the chance that they have achieved faster than light travel seems very low, and the idea that once they do overcome this obstacle they then travel to earth to mutilate cattle and leave functionless bits of metal in peoples feet, seems absurd.

Yea, except our earth science is choppy and all theory. You brought up physics, so let me add that, physics like most of science, is theory.
Physics is measuring matter in space and time, but did you know it all does not make sense anymore after near or just above the speed of light speeds? Here watch this video its rather interesting and explains in detail what i dont feel like typing.
[youtube]D4xLxWzsvFA[/youtube]

 

[Heisenberg]

A theory and a law are not the same thing. We have every reason to believe that the laws of physics are the same on the other side of the universe as they are here.

To quote Mindphuk

A scientific theory is a model of the mechanism of something and it consists of facts and laws and based on hypotheses that have been verified. It is the explanation of WHY something happens rather than just a statement about what IS. Scientific theories are considered fact and their baseline assumptions are true until they can be falsified, which is the goal of new hypotheses.
A scientific law is merely a set of rules that can be derived by observing something. Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation never attempted to explain what caused massive bodies to attract one another. It only codified observed phenomena into a mathematical model. They are accepted as is without extensive reasoning only because they are always observed to be true.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

A theory and a law are not the same thing. We have every reason to believe that the laws of physics are the same on the other side of the universe as they are here.

To quote Mindphuk

What about the part when physics is not law?

 

[RyanTheRhino]

then we dont know? how is that hard to get

Theory = an idea that sounds good and in most cases can be proven mathematically.

law = something that can be proven over and over in experiments with out fail.

 

[Heisenberg]

What about the part when physics is not law?

What about it? It's the laws which make space travel an extreme challenge.

then we dont know? how is that hard to get

Theory = an idea that sounds good and in most cases can be proven mathematically.

law = something that can be proven over and over in experiments with out fail.

Nope

Hypothesis = Explanation for observation which has no supporting evidence

Theory = Explanation for observation which has supporting evidence

Law = Codification of observed rules into a model

A law is not a theory that evolved because it can be proven without fail, not at all.

 

[tryingtogrow89]

What about it? It's the laws which make space travel an extreme challenge.

Well i mean, when physics is law, yea, to a certain extent, then once beyond the realm of that extent it does not make sense and is no longer law, so is the physics below that extent; law? or theory? or neither?

 

[heathaa]

aliens are real i think. theres been a lot of discoveries lately that support this. like a 2000 year old peice of gold jewelry of an airplane. dead sea scrolls and the book of Enoch. on top of that within a lifetime almost everyone on the planet sees something in the sky that defies our physics. heres a story of a guy in brazil got raped and tested on a spaceship and suffered from radiation poisoning

 

[heathaa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Villas_Boas
heres another list of other "official" sightings even though there are thousands a month
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFO_sightings

 

[Tenner]

Heisenberg, I`m with most of what your saying but scientists are also saying we don`t know what the heck space can do, it can bend, open wormholes etc... This isn`t really enough to convince me there are aliens flying around in our solar system. We do know that something with mass can`t reach or exceed light speed and thats fair enough so far.

But how about stuff like bending the fabric of space? Maybe thinking about the journey from the alien planet to earth as A-->B where A&B are on the tips of the letter U, where U represents the shape of the path followed (shape of a horseshoe). What if we could travel across the U rather than all the way along? Powerful magnets or w.e devius physical solution may exist, its all there to be discovered. I would also point out that we don`t have a unified theory of everything yet... We still don`t know the major interaction between everything, so many subatomic particles to yet be discovered too.

I would also point out again that I don`t belive there are aliens visiting us yet Just launching facts here and there... Being the "physicist" (lol) who doubts everything

 

[RyanTheRhino]

What about it? It's the laws which make space travel an extreme challenge.




Nope

Hypothesis = Explanation for observation which has no supporting evidence

Theory = Explanation for observation which has supporting evidence

Law = Codification of observed rules into a model

A law is not a theory that evolved because it can be proven without fail, not at all.

ok you just repeated what i said more formally.


Hypothesis = Idea

Theory = Idea + Math


Codification of observed rules into a model = an experiment

 

[Tenner]

aliens are real i think. theres been a lot of discoveries lately that support this. like a 2000 year old peice of gold jewelry of an airplane. dead sea scrolls and the book of Enoch. on top of that within a lifetime almost everyone on the planet sees something in the sky that defies our physics. heres a story of a guy in brazil got raped and tested on a spaceship and suffered from radiation poisoning

So they are just flying around us? It does not make sense.

Theres a different explanation for alien abductions. The sudden release of DMT (dimethyltryptamine) in the brain which is a powerful hallucinogen responsible of near death experiences is the likely cause of such experiences. Think about it, we trip about whatevers on the table. Warewolfs and Vampires before, UFO`s now. You can go thank hollywood film studios for that one

Plus aliens wouldn`t be here to fly around, think how powerful their logic is if they can reach such technology. They wouldn`t fuck around like this, it would either be very stealth spying on us, an invasion or making peace.

 

[Josh3235]

dam. you guys are making me so confused. lol. but aliens are real. And I think going as fast as aliens can is possible. Like some of our first airplanes were basic and slow, but you look at them now and they are improved in every way. We will get as far into technology as they are, but in the future, And all of us won't live long enough to see that happen. Its just the human race isn't smart enough right now to figure out how they go so fast or to see/travel far into space to see any evidence, thats why we haven't found a lot of planets yet. Plus the aliens most likely have different minerals and resources than we do.

 

[Tenner]

dam. you guys are making me so confused. lol. but aliens are real. And I think going as fast as aliens can is possible. Like some of our first airplanes were basic and slow, but you look at them now and they are improved in every way. We will get as far into technology as they are, but in the future, And all of us won't live long enough to see that happen. Its just the human race isn't smart enough right now to figure out how they go so fast or to see/travel far into space to see any evidence, thats why we haven't found a lot of planets yet. Plus the aliens most likely have different minerals and resources than we do.

They are real, they are all around the universe but they aren`t in our solar system. This isn`t about technology, this is about commonsense.