The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

newworldicon

newworldicon

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Dan Kone said:
What I'm saying is it would have nothing to do with Ron Paul and his beliefs. It has to do with the way lobbyists will alter any legislation he tries to get past congress in order to make that legislation favor large corporations and the ultra wealthy while hurting everyone else.

Ron Paul is not superman. He can not force congress not to amend legislation based on the recommendation of lobbyists. He has no control over that what so ever. The only way to stop that is to take the money out of political campaigns, that is something Ron Paul opposes.

"The First amendment unquestionably grants individuals and businesses the free and unfettered right to advertise, lobby, and contribute to politicians as they choose." - Ron Paul

The will of the president is irrelevant when lobbyists can just get congress to change any law based on the legal bribes they take from the wealthy and major corporations.

I know you think Obama is some evil boogie man who's primary motivation is to destroy America, but really he's doing what is possible for him to do. His proposals for legislation and the final product that congress produces have been wildly different.

If you think Ron Paul has some superpower that will stop lobbyists from manipulating legislation please explain to me how that works. You offer no reasonable explanations and just claiming Ron Paul never bends his will. Well that's extremely flawed logic when you consider the fact that Ron Paul has no control over the behavior of congress and fully supports the system that allows congress to behave that way.
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Everything you say is true, the power does not sit with the President which makes that comment you belittled last night even more insightful, change politics completely and you will not face the problems you do, or for that matter in the UK and many other European countries.

I understand that it is an enormous undertaking and would it ever succeed, well we won't know unless we try.

You seem to point out many things that are obvious, so I ask you do you have any answers?????
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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newworldicon said:
Everything you say is true, the power does not sit with the President which makes that comment you belittled last night even more insightful, change politics completely and you will not face the problems you do, or for that matter in the UK and many other European countries.

I understand that it is an enormous undertaking and would it ever succeed, well we won't know unless we try.

You seem to point out many things that are obvious, so I ask you do you have any answers?????
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We can't change the problem because the problem is lobbyist money in congress and we'd need to pass a law in congress to change it. Russ Feingold and John McCain tried to fix it and guess what? The lobbyists and congress made the law worthless.

As far as I can see, that is the biggest problem with our government and it's currently not fixable. It's apparently not as obvious as you think since the majority of people here think somehow Ron Paul is immune to the way our system works.
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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Dan Kone said:
Ok. You just accused me of plagiarism. I demand to see proof of this right now. If I post something, it's my own words. If you think otherwise prove it or you're a lying cunt. I do not watch CNN or Fox news nor do I copy/paste stuff from their website or any website without quoting them. If I did do what you say it should be very easy to prove. So go ahead, prove it. That or shut the fuck up.

Lying about me doesn't help your case. It's what people do when they know they are wrong and the person they are lying about is right.

You've posted nothing of substance since you've been here. You offer no explanation for why you think I'm wrong but instead resort to false accusations. If you're going to come on here and pretend you're superior to everyone you're going to have do better that falsely accuse people of making spelling errors and falsely accuse people of plagiarism.
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You are a tough guy behind the computer hey?? read the post correctly and you will find I said "you may as well" you dum fuck...everything else you say after that is pointless.

By the by your posts last night showed nothing more than slander, I like how you think you contribution is insightful or relevant unlike my input.

As for competition...well if you played on a level playing field without the devious tactics then I would be okay with it.

Funny how Americans get their backs up when you point out their flaws hey...thats real arrogance!!
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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newworldicon said:
As for competition...well if you played on a level playing field without the devious tactics then I would be okay with it.

Funny how Americans get their backs up when you point out their flaws hey...thats real arrogance!!
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It's amazing how people don't like to be falsely accused of stuff isn't it?

But go ahead, I believe you were about to explain how removing Khadafi was somehow tyranny. I'm very interested in hearing about that.
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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Dan Kone said:
We can't change the problem because the problem is lobbyist money in congress and we'd need to pass a law in congress to change it. Russ Feingold and John McCain tried to fix it and guess what? The lobbyists and congress made the law worthless.

As far as I can see, that is the biggest problem with our government and it's currently not fixable. It's apparently not as obvious as you think since the majority of people here think somehow Ron Paul is immune to the way our system works.
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Please don't align me with Ron Paul, I keep repeating I care little about the guy and his position which makes me think you don't read things through very well.

The system needs to be abolished, it may come at a great cost and I do not have the answers but one thing is for sure, change it completely or your demise will be complete and mine.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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newworldicon said:
Please don't align me with Ron Paul, I keep repeating I care little about the guy and his position which makes me think you don't read things through very well.
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I didn't do that. I said "t's apparently not as obvious as you think since the majority of people here think somehow Ron Paul is immune to the way our system works."

Once again, the majority of the people here, not you.
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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Dan Kone said:
It's amazing how people don't like to be falsely accused of stuff isn't it?

But go ahead, I believe you were about to explain how removing Khadafi was somehow tyranny. I'm very interested in hearing about that.
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I never said that, you assumed that in your head and then made it a point that I had brought up. So is there anything else you would like to say to make me think even less of you???

Show me where I said that and highlight it please, I think you'll find you can't.

Have another joint stoner....
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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You're still avoiding the main question here as you have for quite a while.

You were acting like going after Khadafi was some sort of tyranny or harming the Libyan people in some way.

Why are you backing down from that? Explain it. How is going after Khadafi a bad thing?
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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Dan Kone said:
You're still avoiding the main question here as you have for quite a while.

You were acting like going after Khadafi was some sort of tyranny or harming the Libyan people in some way.

Why are you backing down from that? Explain it. How is going after Khadafi a bad thing?
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I never said that, I would like YOU to point out where I supposedly said that, you seem to derive at a unsubstantial conclusion and then think it's fact. You seem to avoid pointing out when I ask a question of you?? I think his demise is a blessing for the record but I think it's a shame that Libya will be another country held ransom by the American military for the sake of oil.

Now we can argue like children or we can agree that America is a bully that forces it's might all over the world for it's own self preservation.....am I wrong????
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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newworldicon said:
Now we can argue like children or we can agree that America is a bully that forces it's might all over the world for it's own self preservation.....am I wrong????
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Not the only country who does that, we just have the dominant military force so we do it on a larger scale. Pretty much any country in the world would do the same if they had the dominant military force, and they have and much more brutally in most cases.

Basically what you're saying translates into "boohoo we don't have as strong an army as you". What country are you from anyways?
 
budlover13

budlover13

King Tut
The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.
--Carroll Quigley
 
deprave

deprave

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cenk representin again? wow amazing
Ron Paul love on msnbc...
next thing ya know chris matthews? jk


Nice budlover you beat me to that one
 
deprave

deprave

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the sad fact, in america sexyness sells....philosophy sells the least - especially when it comes to political philosophy vs political sexyness

[video=youtube;Q1U7N9AhprU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1U7N9AhprU&feature=player_embedded[/video]
 
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NoDrama

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Dan Kone said:
We can't change the problem because the problem is lobbyist money in congress and we'd need to pass a law in congress to change it. Russ Feingold and John McCain tried to fix it and guess what? The lobbyists and congress made the law worthless.

As far as I can see, that is the biggest problem with our government and it's currently not fixable. It's apparently not as obvious as you think since the majority of people here think somehow Ron Paul is immune to the way our system works.
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You can make a law if you like, they will find another way to bribe politicians. I say we do away with politicians and instead program a computer to take over the role. lol
 
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