Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

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beeznutz

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SensiSoulJah said:
Hey Matt - so I found one website selling Bio Terra Plus, however, unfortunately it cost more to ship the soil then the soil costs itself... What would you recommend I use instead? My first guess would be Roots? Gonna give the veganics thing a try... I've gotten some really good veganic grown buds from a local shop and I'm looking to grow the best medicine possible. Here's a list of stuff I got today - Kelp, dolomite lime, azomite, greensand, alaska humus, epsom salts, molasses, cal mag, hygrozyme, alfalfa meal, cotton seed meal, b1, marine mineral magic micro nutrient (I'm not sure if this has any animal products, I'll have to get back to you on that), Bountea. The majority were OMRI certified. As far as you know, if I used these supplements would I be growing veganics? Is there anything I should cut out? And most importantly, what base soil should I use? Any input is greatly appreciated, thanks for your time.
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was loking at ordering it myself, found a place to order it can't think of the name of it but they said they had 16 bags left, didn't check the shipping but I'm sure itll b outrageous...
Humboldt Mix was recommended by Kushman, FYI... I
thinking of getting it since my local guy can get it in the store - you might wanna look into that...
 
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SensiSoulJah said:
Hey Matt - so I found one website selling Bio Terra Plus, however, unfortunately it cost more to ship the soil then the soil costs itself... What would you recommend I use instead? My first guess would be Roots? Gonna give the veganics thing a try... I've gotten some really good veganic grown buds from a local shop and I'm looking to grow the best medicine possible. Here's a list of stuff I got today - Kelp, dolomite lime, azomite, greensand, alaska humus, epsom salts, molasses, cal mag, hygrozyme, alfalfa meal, cotton seed meal, b1, marine mineral magic micro nutrient (I'm not sure if this has any animal products, I'll have to get back to you on that), Bountea. The majority were OMRI certified. As far as you know, if I used these supplements would I be growing veganics? Is there anything I should cut out? And most importantly, what base soil should I use? Any input is greatly appreciated, thanks for your time.
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Yeah, forget the BTPlus, it's gone forever. Use whatever is available, the bag mixes are not that different. I used to mix Happy Frog and Ocean Forest, then amend that with meals, lime, compost, and perlite. Roots is good, lots of folks use that.
 
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SlightlyVaped said:
Nice article Matt.

Is it possible for you to do the same test with a couple different strains?

My current set up is the 220, 190, 160, 45 and 25 as I found the same as you that a majority of good hash comes between the 160 and 45 screens. However, I have kept the 25 since I noticed when running all 8 bags that some strains (or maybe grower) would produce some extremely oily/melty hash.

Chem4 seems to be one of those strains that I find some good stuff in the lower bag, however I have also run different strains where the 25 was throw away or cooking grade (last run like this I think was PK but it was a little drier as well so that probably had something to do with it).

I would be curious to see if maybe a more indica dominant strain would produce different results across the different bags.
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Thanks, cost me a whole batch of hash, lol. So I ran a smaller load :)
You are 100% correct about variety changing the hash quality, especially the 25 and 120 bags. We have more tests on the way.
 
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beeznutz said:
was loking at ordering it myself, found a place to order it can't think of the name of it but they said they had 16 bags left, didn't check the shipping but I'm sure itll b outrageous...
Humboldt Mix was recommended by Kushman, FYI... I
thinking of getting it since my local guy can get it in the store - you might wanna look into that...
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I havn't seen the humboldt mix anywhere. Let me know if you find it and how it works for you. I'm still using, and reusing, my BTPlus. But the point is to mix quality peat (ie most potting mixes) and quality coco (ie canna) to get the right blend without needing too much perlite. That's what Roots is, iirc, peat and coco with a lil perlite. Add some worm casting, or compost, as both peat and coco lack humus.
 
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SlightlyVaped

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Matt Rize said:
Yeah, forget the BTPlus, it's gone forever. Use whatever is available, the bag mixes are not that different. I used to mix Happy Frog and Ocean Forest, then amend that with meals, lime, compost, and perlite. Roots is good, lots of folks use that.
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I'm having good results with my vegan organic grow doing a 70/30 mix of Happy Frog & Canna Coco (more happy frog), not quite veganic but I don't think BTPlus is either.

Ken's GDP Flower Day 20

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upthearsenal said:
So I was searching 'glomus intraradices' and found this amongst the other results: http://medicalmarijuana.com/experts/expert/title.cfm?artID=2; pretty sweet article man.

Is the bit at the bottom written by someone from bioag?

Dank ass pictures btw :leaf:
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Thanks UptheA, I got a new camera :) . I've been working on putting some good info together over there.
Yes, the info at the bottom of the Inoculants article is from Dr. Ryan Zadow of BioAg. Good call.
 
hazorazo

hazorazo

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Matt Rize said:
Collab project with Selecta Nikka T. OG Kush "Solventless Wax"
rize up!
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Wow, Matt! I need to keep up with you more often! Your plushberry pics are fantastic. I am sure Subcool appreciates having folks like you around to flaunt his great stuff! Good work, man! Are there any events in Oregon that you get to? Hope all is well. It sure looks like it from the pics....haha.
 
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hazorazo said:
Wow, Matt! I need to keep up with you more often! Your plushberry pics are fantastic. I am sure Subcool appreciates having folks like you around to flaunt his great stuff! Good work, man! Are there any events in Oregon that you get to? Hope all is well. It sure looks like it from the pics....haha.
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Hey thanks man. All is well. If I'm up in OR I'll post it here.

Plushberry, pink pheno.
 
RPsmoke420

RPsmoke420

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SlightlyVaped said:
Nice article Matt.

Is it possible for you to do the same test with a couple different strains?

My current set up is the 220, 190, 160, 45 and 25 as I found the same as you that a majority of good hash comes between the 160 and 45 screens. However, I have kept the 25 since I noticed when running all 8 bags that some strains (or maybe grower) would produce some extremely oily/melty hash.

Chem4 seems to be one of those strains that I find some good stuff in the lower bag, however I have also run different strains where the 25 was throw away or cooking grade (last run like this I think was PK but it was a little drier as well so that probably had something to do with it).

I would be curious to see if maybe a more indica dominant strain would produce different results across the different bags.
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Steep Hill Lab works directly with the growers and hash (edible/tincture/etc) producers. If you are a CA patient, hit them up and see about some lab testing. Who knows, maybe it'll help with the vending. ;-)

Matt Rize said:
I havn't seen the humboldt mix anywhere. Let me know if you find it and how it works for you. I'm still using, and reusing, my BTPlus. But the point is to mix quality peat (ie most potting mixes) and quality coco (ie canna) to get the right blend without needing too much perlite. That's what Roots is, iirc, peat and coco with a lil perlite. Add some worm casting, or compost, as both peat and coco lack humus.
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From what I understand, Humboldt Mix is pretty much Sunshine #4 or Pro-Mix. Not bad.

Roots is great, but you get the Gnats. Not a big deal, and seems more and more soils come with the little guys. I like the 707 myself.


bongsmilie
 
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beeznutz

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RPsmoke420 said:
Steep Hill Lab works directly with the growers and hash (edible/tincture/etc) producers. If you are a CA patient, hit them up and see about some lab testing. Who knows, maybe it'll help with the vending. ;-)



From what I understand, Humboldt Mix is pretty much Sunshine #4 or Pro-Mix. Not bad.

Roots is great, but you get the Gnats. Not a big deal, and seems more and more soils come with the little guys. I like the 707 myself.


bongsmilie
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haha, Roots comes with little friends inside each bag, huh? what do u think makes the gnats like Roots mix?
i'm also looking at the Sunshine Organic mixes which seem to be basic and are OMRI. is it a big deal not using any bat guano or worm castings in the mix? i found this http://www.vitallandscaping.com/index.php/soil-a-amendments/soil-amendments/vital-earthsr-organic-compost-omri-
for adding compost, seems kosher.....
 
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RPsmoke420 said:
Roots is great, but you get the Gnats. Not a big deal, and seems more and more soils come with the little guys. I like the 707 myself. bongsmilie
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I heard the gnats are coming from the middle man, not from roots directly, and the gnats are affecting all the potting mixes from this middleman. ??
 
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RPsmoke420 said:
Steep Hill Lab works directly with the growers and hash (edible/tincture/etc) producers. If you are a CA patient, hit them up and see about some lab testing. Who knows, maybe it'll help with the vending. ;-)
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Thanks RP.

I am a patient and familiar with Steep Hill Labs (a few collectives in my area use them), however I am not a vendor and only make it for my own use.

Plus I'm sure they would want more material than I can pull out of my one gallon kit.
 
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