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olylifter420

olylifter420

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So bigotry is not when someone trashes and attempts to ridicule someone elses beliefs? If not what do you say that is?



Heisenberg said:
What I have been saying all along is that science does not disprove divine intelligence, it simply offers an explanation which



uodoes not require any. Science does not favor the explanation of a deity because there is no reason to, not because it's been disproved. If I tell you there is a unicorn in the center of the sun, there is no reason for you to believe me, even though you can't disprove my claim.

Isn't the planes hitting the towers an example of division among humans? Although it lead to a temporary political union in america, didn't it serve to separate us even further from certain parts of the world? Was not the motivation behind that day religion? You seem to be asking us to look at the big picture, humanity as a whole, and then only looking at a specific part of it.

All life, whether it was created or simply stumbled into existence, deserves to live without suffering. That is why racism and acts of bigotry are wrong. If we are just randomly selected cells and microbes, it doesn't change this fact. Hatred on the other hand, is a state of mind, a feeling, and I am not comfortable trying to control what someone is feeling. So hatred I will tolerate, but oppression I will not.
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olylifter420

olylifter420

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Isnt oppression driven by hatred and vice versa?



Heisenberg said:
What I have been saying all along is that science does not disprove divine intelligence, it simply offers an explanation which does not require any. Science does not favor the explanation of a deity because there is no reason to, not because it's been disproved. If I tell you there is a unicorn in the center of the sun, there is no reason for you to believe me, even though you can't disprove my claim.

Isn't the planes hitting the towers an example of division among humans? Although it lead to a temporary political union in america, didn't it serve to separate us even further from certain parts of the world? Was not the motivation behind that day religion? You seem to be asking us to look at the big picture, humanity as a whole, and then only looking at a specific part of it.

All life, whether it was created or simply stumbled into existence, deserves to live without suffering. That is why racism and acts of bigotry are wrong. If we are just randomly selected cells and microbes, it doesn't change this fact. Hatred on the other hand, is a state of mind, a feeling, and I am not comfortable trying to control what someone is feeling. So hatred I will tolerate, but oppression I will not.
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Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Oppression can and often is fueled by hatred, but can be because of money, power, greed and ideology as well. The difference between hate and oppression is, one is a feeling and the other is acting on those feelings.

I have four skunks that hang around outside at night. They destroy property, sprayed my cat, tare up my herb garden, ect. It's safe to say I hate these skunks. I can continue to hate them the rest of my life and it is harmless until I do something about it, like get a shotgun. If these skunks were people and I hated them but never did anything about it, should I be punished simply for my hate?

If a gay man is walking down the street and a group of people approach him and beat him up, taking his wallet, it is assault. If the same gay man is approached by the same group, beat up, and they leave his wallet and simply call him a faggot, it's is also assault. One crime is motivated by greed, the other hate. Are both acts equally as unjust? Should we add extra punishment for the hate crime? If we do, you are not only punishing people for the assault, but for how they feel inside. It is wrong to beat up any man, regardless of skin color or orientation, and regardless of the reasoning.

Hate is often born from misunderstanding and fear, and should be combated with education and understanding. I hate the skunks outside, but when I put myself in their position, understand their place and why they do what they do, my hatred fades into tolerance.

I do not want to live in a world where peoples thoughts and feelings are policed and we are essentially forced to think happy thoughts all the time. I will not tolerate terrorism or oppression, but if someone feels hate, that is their prerogative.
 
karri0n

karri0n

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ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:
no im 30 years old and i too believed the nonsense you do right now .
you cant believe in evolution AND religion the two totaly contradict each other , you either believe in one or the other you cant merge like you religious people hope so .
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Your ridiculous level of ignorance is showing yet again. Even within your tunnel vision view of the world that seems to think islam and christianity are the only two religions in existence, thre is no reason whatsoever that evolution and religion are mutually exclusive. You have consistently shown a lack of ability to understand even the definition of religion, never mind what its point is. This makes you unqualified to partake in a discussion regarding religion.

Religion is not a means of describing the origin of speciation, nor is it a means of understanding the origin of life. Evolution is only a means of explaining why we have several different species of animals on the planet and is nothing more.
ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:
im so bored of this argument , when a religious person finds a scrap of evidence that there god exists wake me up , untill then im done with this , im bored of it ........................
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olylifter420

olylifter420

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yes, i agree, but what i dont understand is why most all atheists' on here want to bash someones beliefs if they are not doing it here, at home or in town. I take offense because that is all i see on here,

atheists' complaining and wanting to tear someones beliefs down, when whoever their target audience here on RIU has never even said a word to that person about anything or forced them to become a religious type.

I respect you very Heis, but others on here i can say little about.





Heisenberg said:
Oppression can and often is fueled by hatred, but can be because of money, power, greed and ideology as well. The difference between hate and oppression is, one is a feeling and the other is acting on those feelings.

I have four skunks that hang around outside at night. They destroy property, sprayed my cat, tear up my herb garden, ect. It's safe to say I hate these skunks. I can continue to hate them the rest of my life and it is harmless until I do something about it, like get a shotgun. If these skunks were people and I hated them but never did anything about it, should I be punished simply for my hate?

If a gay man is walking down the street and a group of people approach him and beat him up, taking his wallet, it is assault. If the same gay man is approached by the same group, beat up, and they leave his wallet and simply call him a faggot, it's is also assault. One crime is motivated by greed, the other hate. Are both acts equally as unjust? Should we add extra punishment for the hate crime? If we do, you are not only punishing people for the assault, but for how they feel inside. It is wrong to beat up any man, regardless of skin color or orientation, and regardless of the reasoning.

Hate is often born from misunderstanding and fear, and should be combated with education and understanding. I hate the skunks outside, but when I put myself in their position, understand their place and why they do what they do, my hatred fades into tolerance.

I do not want to live in a world where peoples thoughts and feelings are policed and we are essentially forced to think happy thoughts all the time. I will not tolerate terrorism or oppression, but if someone feels hate, that is their prerogative.
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ThE sAtIvA hIgH

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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karri0n said:
Your ridiculous level of ignorance is showing yet again. Even within your tunnel vision view of the world that seems to think islam and christianity are the only two religions in existence, thre is no reason whatsoever that evolution and religion are mutually exclusive. You have consistently shown a lack of ability to understand even the definition of religion, never mind what its point is. This makes you unqualified to partake in a discussion regarding religion.

Religion is not a means of describing the origin of speciation, nor is it a means of understanding the origin of life. Evolution is only a means of explaining why we have several different species of animals on the planet and is nothing more.


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lmfao my daughter draws pictures of the smurfs so i guess they are real to lol .
 
ThE sAtIvA hIgH

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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olylifter420 said:
@ the OP, you know that gay remark you said is totally stupid! It is a sign of gratitude and appreciation to my fellow RIU'er.. a jackass like you will not understand that cause you hate God...
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there is no god to hate in my eyes , sunshine , ......................your starting to sound like an angry christian , frustrated cause you cant even prove to yourself never mind anyone else that your believing in something that is real .
 
Marlboro47

Marlboro47

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ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:
there is no god to hate in my eyes , sunshine , ......................your starting to sound like an angry christian , frustrated cause you cant even prove to yourself never mind anyone else that your believing in something that is real .
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Easiest statement I can make to you, is you are not of God, to deny God. So you know the answer, you believe in God your just denying him. So there is no need for me to convince you that God is real, because we both know he is.

You start this debate denying that God exists "Prove to me God exists, and Ill prove he doesn't." Since we both know God exists your just trying to drag me into hell with you. Difference between us two is that since I don't deny God he won't deny me, since your denying God, he will tell you he never knew you on judgement day(when it comes time for mercy).
 
Farfenugen

Farfenugen

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Any ideaology that promotes pain and punishment of an afterlife reprisal is nothing more that a fear-based system of subjugation and brain-washing, total bullshit made-up by greedy power-mad men who want to keep their power. And so they dupe the rest of the silly apes into believing in it by writing rules and regulations in a few books with lots of made-up stories because the silly apes need to believe in something. And it's still going on to this day, be they media, government or celebrities.

You can lead a horse to water if he's thirsty enough
 
ThE sAtIvA hIgH

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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farfenugen said:
any ideaology that promotes pain and punishment of an afterlife reprisal is nothing more that a fear-based system of subjugation and brain-washing, total bullshit made-up by greedy power-mad men who want to keep their power. And so they dupe the rest of the silly apes into believing in it by writing rules and regulations in a few books with lots of made-up stories because the silly apes need to believe in something. And it's still going on to this day, be they media, government or celebrities.

you can lead a horse to water if he's thirsty enough
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amen ..........................
 
ThE sAtIvA hIgH

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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olylifter420 said:
yes, i agree, but what i dont understand is why most all atheists' on here want to bash someones beliefs if they are not doing it here, at home or in town. I take offense because that is all i see on here,

atheists' complaining and wanting to tear someones beliefs down, when whoever their target audience here on RIU has never even said a word to that person about anything or forced them to become a religious type.

I respect you very Heis, but others on here i can say little about.
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try not to get so offended when someone bashes your beliefs ,why is it that religious folk seem to think they have this right , that people arent aloud to mock ,question ,laugh at etc etc there beliefs or religion ?
yet they can build churches mosques and many other buildings all over the world , and expect everyone else to be ok about it .they indocrinate our children they pester us in our own homes theres signs and religious buildings are everywhere ,they tell people they will burn in hell for eternity if they dont believe the same thing as them , it should be non religious people who are offended .
someone makes fun of there religion or belief they cry lie a baby ?
 
kbo ca

kbo ca

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look around you folks... you think everything here was a lucky mistake. I think not. It's intellegent design. Some of you seem very smart. Here's an athiests beliefs;
In the beginning there was nothing,
and then nothing became nothing,
then all of this nothing came together,
then nothing exploded, creating planets,
then nothing became bacteria,
then millions of years passed and now we're here....
Legit right?
 
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