Let's Debate

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

look around you folks... you think everything here was a lucky mistake. I think not. It's intellegent design. Some of you seem very smart. Here's an athiests beliefs;
In the beginning there was nothing,
and then nothing became nothing,
then all of this nothing came together,
then nothing exploded, creating planets,
then nothing became bacteria,
then millions of years passed and now we're here....
Legit right?

what utter nonsense .....i dont know of any athiest that thinks that ...................

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

look around you folks... you think everything here was a lucky mistake. I think not. It's intellegent design. Some of you seem very smart. Here's an athiests beliefs;
In the beginning there was nothing,
and then nothing became nothing,
then all of this nothing came together,
then nothing exploded, creating planets,
then nothing became bacteria,
then millions of years passed and now we're here....
Legit right?

let me clear something up an athiest does not claim to know how wherre when or why the universe is here , we are just simply stating we dont believe it was your God a few 1000 years ago that created it all .
i personally believe in the big bang theory and evolution as its the best scientific and rational evidence we have upto date .

 

[mazand1982]

i bet no fucker will debate with me cause they know deep down there belief is total nonsense .

haha whats there to be so mad about?lol...we can tell by your attitude your not a "debater" , your a angry person waiting for a yelling match, haha, and thats coming from an atheist....why would anyone wanna debate the existence of god when he doesnt exist? its obviously a made up story to scare the masses into doing the right thing in daily life thousands of years ago, kind of a do this or else youll go to hell type thing... with the leaps and bounds todays scientific community has made in carbon dating, astrological telescopes, microscopes and the FACTUAL evidence of evolution how could you even begin to begin a debate about the existence of "god"?.... lol, if your still a believer your a pathetic sheep and your whole life is consisted of following the rest of the herd, nuff said...now click on my signature and plus rep a muffucka, case closed,LOL

 

[Heisenberg]

look around you folks... you think everything here was a lucky mistake. I think not. It's intellegent design. Some of you seem very smart. Here's an athiests beliefs;
In the beginning there was nothing,
and then nothing became nothing,
then all of this nothing came together,
then nothing exploded, creating planets,
then nothing became bacteria,
then millions of years passed and now we're here....
Legit right?

Reductio ad absurdum

This is an intolerable misrepresentation of an atheist view, and demonstrates that you do not even begin to understand the question atheism is an answer to. This would lead me to suspect that most atheists have thought about the issue of creation far more than you ever have, since you demonstrate such a basic fundamental misunderstanding. "nothing exploded, creating planets, then nothing became bacteria" is a meaningless jumble of words, not even a real conveyable idea. The statement was purposely designed to sound ridiculous, and is nothing more than a straw man. It's an absurd thing to say, and from that sheer absurdity you can either assume all atheists are idiots, or that the statement does not reflect the atheist's stance. I guess it's easier to just assume the more dismissible conclusion, especially if it makes you feel more justified in your beliefs. But pretty much any page of this thread should have cleared up what our stance is, had you bothered to look. This suggests a lazy mind which is willing to be critical of others, but not itself, also known as hypocritical.

The ironic thing is, we do not have to reduce or misrepresent the creationists argument for it to sound ridiculous and for it to be incompatible with every discovery science has ever made in support of evolution and the big bang.

The Heavens, Earth, and all life on Earth was created by direct acts of the Abrahamic God during a relatively short period, sometime between 5,700 and 10,000 years ago.

This is a young earth creationists view, which are the people who invented and promote the statement you cited.

 

[olylifter420]

lmai! you really are too stupid, hypocrite and a bigot!

Im sorry, but you win this "debate!"

Oh wait, who has been answering everything for you? Heis, thats right!

If im an angry Christian, then you are a?

Angry high functioning retard!



QUOTE=ThE sAtIvA hIgH;6069561]there is no god to hate in my eyes , sunshine , ......................your starting to sound like an angry christian , frustrated


cause you cant even prove to yourself never mind anyone else that your believing in something that is real .[/QUOTE]

 

[Heisenberg]

To be fair, Sativa never requested my help, and in fact subtlety suggested I keep quiet.

you really dont need to explain , i ask questions i allready know the answer too .

 

[mindphuk]

It's not my fault if you can't figure out the definition of "exists"

Quit trying to conflate the existence of the concept of a thing and the actual existence a thing. We all know the difference and you are now just playing word games.

 

[olylifter420]

Alright bro, well I guess you dont appreciate my respect for you.


I never said he requested help either.

He.cant answer things properly for himself so he relies on you to provide a better explanation.

To be fair, Sativa never requested my help, and in fact subtlety suggested I keep quiet.

 

[Heisenberg]

Alright bro, well I guess you dont appreciate my respect for you.


I never said he requested help either.

He.cant answer things properly for himself so he relies on you to provide a better explanation.

No problem, I was simply trying for fair representation, and not trying to call you out or anything. You don't have to be so shy with me. You have demonstrated the willingness to put consideration not only into the opposing side, but your own side as well, which is more than most do. Although I feel you are still in error with your conclusion, I respect it much more.

I'll spare the thread the repetition of my opinion on Sativa.

 

[kbo ca]

I think that athiests are fighting with themselves to discredit God. It's a daily battle to fight what everyone knows deep down. Call me what you will, call my view on atheism what you will, but you fail to explain otherwise. The big bang theory is just as i explained it. But only time will tell. I know the hope and the peace that comes from having a relationship with God. I also know how screwed up the world is and how easy it is to not believe in God. But one day there will be no doubt. I hope that before that day God works in your life and you finally recieve his grace. I don't mean to offend although im sure this will. But hit me up when shit hits the fan and i'll be down to pray with you.. Respect

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

I think that athiests are fighting with themselves to discredit God. It's a daily battle to fight what everyone knows deep down. Call me what you will, call my view on atheism what you will, but you fail to explain otherwise. The big bang theory is just as i explained it. But only time will tell. I know the hope and the peace that comes from having a relationship with God. I also know how screwed up the world is and how easy it is to not believe in God. But one day there will be no doubt. I hope that before that day God works in your life and you finally recieve his grace. I don't mean to offend although im sure this will. But hit me up when shit hits the fan and i'll be down to pray with you.. Respect

sorry but there all asumptions that you are making , i love the way people like you try scaring people to believe the same as you lol im not scared though cause as ive said i dont believe what you do so your tactics are wasted .would be funny if what you say is true, and all along you had been worshipping the wrong god lol then youd be just as screwed as me lol

 

[kbo ca]

I guess we'll see soon enough.

 

[MJstudent]

i think we can agree yoouve won this battle against religion lol. but can anyone at least prove that thier religion is right and another is wrong?

 

[mindphuk]

Alright bro, well I guess you dont appreciate my respect for you.


I never said he requested help either.

He.cant answer things properly for himself so he relies on you to provide a better explanation.

To be fair, more than one person has responded to your questions. Not responding to those posts makes it appear you are flame baiting. Your questions don't have any relevance and you were asked to provide some. I asked you some questions in return that you aren't answering so attacking someone for not answering you is quite ironic.

 

[mindphuk]

I think that athiests are fighting with themselves to discredit God. It's a daily battle to fight what everyone knows deep down. Call me what you will, call my view on atheism what you will, but you fail to explain otherwise. The big bang theory is just as i explained it. But only time will tell. I know the hope and the peace that comes from having a relationship with God. I also know how screwed up the world is and how easy it is to not believe in God. But one day there will be no doubt. I hope that before that day God works in your life and you finally recieve his grace. I don't mean to offend although im sure this will. But hit me up when shit hits the fan and i'll be down to pray with you.. Respect

You don't offend me but I think it's pretty ridiculous attitude to take to believe that other people are 'denying' something they don't believe exists. I agree with you on a point though, I think it is a perfectly natural, human thing to think there's something greater out there. I think that explains a lot of why there's so much resistance to stop believing in these myths, but I also know that the human mind is not naturally rational. It takes time and training to think like a skeptic and scientists.

BTW, you do have the big bang theory all wrong. There is never nothing prior to the everything, the theory begins with an extremely small, dense and hot universe that suddenly expands. The theory makes no conclusions about how, when or why those initial starting conditions took place. It could have been there for eternity or it could have been produced by an event at a higher dimension, or something else that we haven't even considered yet. There is way much to much about our universe to think we know how it ultimately started, we don't even have any models that explain dark energy and dark matter yet. The big bang theory still makes sense in light of the existing evidence but there's still much to learn about what led up to that instance.

 

[medicolas]

I hope you all have happy productive lives!

 

[olylifter420]

i dont recall "debating" with you... please, repost your questions and i ll be happy to answer them the best i can...

To be fair, more than one person has responded to your questions. Not responding to those posts makes it appear you are flame baiting. Your questions don't have any relevance and you were asked to provide some. I asked you some questions in return that you aren't answering so attacking someone for not answering you is quite ironic.

 

[olylifter420]

Dude, it has been said by stephen hawkins or whatever...

he said it just like kbo ca said it, but in a more pontificating way...

he is obviously an atheist with what he said...

what utter nonsense .....i dont know of any athiest that thinks that ...................

 

[olylifter420]

heis, so what do say about what stephen hawkins has said?

He said it just like kbo ca said it, so that clearly makes him an atheist right?

he says there is no God, so that qualifies him as an atheist correct?

Reductio ad absurdum

This is an intolerable misrepresentation of an atheist view, and demonstrates that you do not even begin to understand the question atheism is an answer to. This would lead me to suspect that most atheists have thought about the issue of creation far more than you ever have, since you demonstrate such a basic fundamental misunderstanding. "nothing exploded, creating planets, then nothing became bacteria" is a meaningless jumble of words, not even a real conveyable idea. The statement was purposely designed to sound ridiculous, and is nothing more than a straw man. It's an absurd thing to say, and from that sheer absurdity you can either assume all atheists are idiots, or that the statement does not reflect the atheist's stance. I guess it's easier to just assume the more dismissible conclusion, especially if it makes you feel more justified in your beliefs. But pretty much any page of this thread should have cleared up what our stance is, had you bothered to look. This suggests a lazy mind which is willing to be critical of others, but not itself, also known as hypocritical.

The ironic thing is, we do not have to reduce or misrepresent the creationists argument for it to sound ridiculous and for it to be incompatible with every discovery science has ever made in support of evolution and the big bang.



This is a young earth creationists view, which are the people who invented and promote the statement you cited.

 

[mindphuk]

i dont recall "debating" with you... please, repost your questions and i ll be happy to answer them the best i can...

I'm sorry you missed them. Post 379

Here is it again:


Maybe he hasn't answered because you are assuming an answer in your question. Why do you think we were 'selected' for this planet and solar system? What does the color of the sun have to do with anything? Why weren't you born thousands of years in the future? Your questions are meaningless because they don't have any real answers unless you make certain assumptions. Why can't things be just the way they are because that's the way they are?