prove me there is a god

RawBudzski

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EXACTLY. Think of the TOWER OF BABEL BS.. God Smashed MAN for building it and sent them to different parts of the PLANET as diff RACES speaking DIFF Languages...So they would not be able to Build it AGAIN.. ( I dont believe that BS, SEN C. Will tell you its true).. so YES Jesus and God Were Greedy Selfish Jealous bastards.
so, if thats interpeted right and i actually get the man, jesus basically wanted us to live as monkeys :D

never to go into space and never to amount to anything more than swinging off treelimbs and the occasional fucking, yeah, that and eating fruits (spears are a possession, so are guns) (so basically roots and bark for most people in the world, not lucky enough to live in tropical regions (and those people will have to deal with a shitload of maneating flies..

not to mention the maneating tigers.))

course i could be misunderstanding the bloke, its been 2000 years after all and many translations and whatnot, i hear some of them were really bad and it was all written down by memory, 80 years after the fact.
 

Dislexicmidget2021

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You know no matter how u disect the fact that religion is brainwashing at its finest...you cant hope to convince any of these religious followers of anything else,not even of greater universal truth,it is like educating someone beyond their means of intellect to point out its fallacies....let them believe what they want,perhaps reality can be found in their moments of clarity.BTW i dont mean it to be demeaning in the sense of being pompous when i state this.It is purely simple truth nothing more.
 

Hepheastus420

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You know no matter how u disect the fact that religion is brainwashing at its finest...you cant hope to convince any of these religious followers of anything else,not even of greater universal truth,it is like educating someone beyond their means of intellect to point out its fallacies....let them believe what they want,perhaps reality can be found in their moments of clarity.BTW i dont mean it to be demeaning in the sense of being pompous when i state this.It is purely simple truth nothing more.
Can you explain how it is brainwashing?
There is no reason to brainwash me, I don't go to church, so it's not like I waste time listening to people who preach the bible but don't follow it (hypocrites), I don't give money to the church (I occasionally walk around and help random homeless people), and I'm not killing people in the name of god (those people were blind). So I don't see how it is brainwashing.
 

ginjawarrior

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brainwashing isnt so effective if the victim is aware that its being done ;)

also they like to get in there before a person has any defenses of their own



brainwashing....
 

Dislexicmidget2021

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thats a very creepy point ginja,all to creepy indeed,Hephastus there is a reason for the people to be brainwashed especially within relgion,it is essentialy control over life and decisions made throughout the ardent religious persons life,though it is sickening just how vicariously ramificated this has become over the years,to the point that it is subtley recognized when thinking on the outside of its points of view and precepts,though yes it could be written off as a nut job conspiracy against religion itself.Thats why one must always look inward and continue an honest discourse within themselves before believing what others will say.If you dont have an open mind and you dont question it whatsoever i would consider you a brainwashed person in that regard.
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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TO the op , prove to yourself that your god exists , when you have done that , post your evidence and findings for us all to ridicule , ty
 

tyler.durden

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you do know, jesus wanted you to give up ALL of your possessions?

including your computer and your house?

isnt that basically wanting you to live off the land? (kinda possible where he lived at, actually, but try that somewhere more northerly, wiping your ass with pinecones can be bit bothersome, afterwhile.)

so why arent you following him now? he didnt specifically state that you should wait for him to return..

im sure there are a lot of people that would love to have your stuff and it would be Awfully christian of you :)

(though actually, how giving away your stuff to someone else is good, since now they have all that stuff which was so good for you to get rid of,,confusing really, maybe you´ll ask jesus for me when he comes back to explain it better)
I rarely see anyone bring up this aspect of Jesus' teachings: he wants everyone to follow him to be saved - you must give up all you own to follow him and get into heaven - whomever you give your things to now has a burden, because they must also give up all that you gave them and so on and on. It's like the Jesus Hot Potato game, he must be laughing his balls off up there watching us play it :) There are eight specific biblical steps that Jesus outlined in order to get into heaven, and most christians only focus on the last one (just believe I died for your sins and you're in) probably because it's the one that doesn't require any effort. If you take the other 7 steps literally, NO ONE is getting in, even christians...

P.S. If any christians would like to give up their belongings, I'm willing to bite the bullet and receive them from you. Amen...
 

Hepheastus420

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thats a very creepy point ginja,all to creepy indeed,Hephastus there is a reason for the people to be brainwashed especially within relgion,it is essentialy control over life and decisions made throughout the ardent religious persons life,though it is sickening just how vicariously ramificated this has become over the years,to the point that it is subtley recognized when thinking on the outside of its points of view and precepts,though yes it could be written off as a nut job conspiracy against religion itself.Thats why one must always look inward and continue an honest discourse within themselves before believing what others will say.If you dont have an open mind and you dont question it whatsoever i would consider you a brainwashed person in that regard.
I'm just saying that I'm not brainwashed, I'm a normal everyday guy. And I understand other religious and atheist views and I accept the facts and don't argue against them so I consider myself somewhat open minded. But like I said earlier athiest and religious people are both a little stubborn.
 

sso

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well, they´d go to heaven, pretty soon, many many people, try surviving an icelandic winter without having a home ;)


but that tower of babel is a great point too..

ok here is humanity, united, one goal. no strife no war no anything, just man at his finest, striving for the stars (though in a very dumb and ridiculous way..lol)

then god (its written actually, GodS, in the earliest versions of these writings(jehova is actually based on 1 of two people from alien races that were worshipped as gods, funny story, but there is really no other way to sensibly read that story othervise..the babylonian writings on which the hebrew religion was obviously based on (took much from it when they were creating their own religion)

decided that, now man was dangerous to "him" (them) "cause now nothing is gonna stop them" (weird way for your loving creator to put it"

and commence to smash it all to bits..

yeah, there is no way to interpet this except as (A god is insane OR (B there´s a shitload to that story we dont know (and its then definetly NOT a story about a loving creator god, but a vicious alien race that created us as slaves :) (well IF you read the earlier stories, (lol scriptures) from babylon (the cradle of civilization (its said))

insane part?

people, were united, happy, but they Were building A Tower of Clay, yes hello? how is god worrying about that?

thats akin to your kid building this little lego tower and you come screaming into his room, smash his tower, throw all his friends out of the room and make sure they never see eachother again (without some serious language difficulties (and some of them are yellor or brown now lol)

and why? "cause they were becoming like him" (probably a towerbuilder too and what? got jelous of the sons beautiful tower architecture??)

so see , there is obviously lot we dont know about that story.

read the bible (most christians dont) it doesnt make sense from the its supposed true viewpoint. read the babylonian writings, read all the scriptures that werent included in the bible, read the dead sea scrolls, read and think!

and see the bible,not as a story about god and his creation.

but as a collection of rather interesting crap from back when, in the times that cows flew and huge giants controlled the weather (yes and people with only one leg lived ona island somewhere (it TWAS a GIANT LEG AND THEY HOPPED ABOUT (true story about people believes oh 200 years back at the latest (the one legpart, you gotta go back further for the other stuff)

some useful philosophy inbetween.

you dont need god for anything btw..

heaven could be here.

all you need is love (give love and you shall recieve it (well, as long as you dont give it to assholes and dont respect true love back unless its that special someone you searched half the world for..)


its degrees of love, be nice to your neighbor, fuck your wife (its degrees of intimacy)



about the supernatural (the next world)

dont need religion for that either, same as with being good, (love) ya just need to get back to loving yourself and everything (love makes you happy) DO WHAT YOU LOVE.

im a "explorer" retired "traveller"

i did a lot of out of body experiments and all sorts of stuff back then.. travelled through other dimensions through that and saw the afterlife..

its nice.

there are many, many worlds,

not just heaven and hell (though places you could call that..)

when you die, you go where you belong (full of hate, you go to a place with people full of hate, full of love, you go to a place full of love (the party of parties, the best musicians, and the best places to chill afterwards)

though when you die,, you lose much of your fears and crap, (hey you are dead,what could worry you?)

so, end up pretty allright (till the next time they get reborn)



well, some of that might be wrong, lol.. but this much is confirmed by shamans and psychics around the world...

the life after death part, it being pretty nice there (can be) and rebirth if you want it (and the many worlds part..)


energy does not die and matter simply changes form (being energy)



now, i could tell you alot more, but im getting rather tired of writing.

besides, those of you that would argue me in this.

would have no experience with out of body trips and years of meditation, yoga and mindexpansion (years of sensory training and whatnot)

those of you who wish however, you could simply try for yourself, to get out of the body.

google OBE or simply "out of body experiences" "astral travel"

if you are dedicated you could probably do it in 2 weeks (there is no difference between a psychic man (f.e) and a "normal" man, except that the psychic one has opened himself up more)

and you dont need to be psychic to do it..

now, to get any real experience and knowledge, might take years of dedicated work.

but in 2 weeks, you might get to visit another world (though one not really real, the "astral plane" its right next to the dream plane (Real place) and you have near as much control over it as the dream world (you are omnipotent there, what you create with your mind, becomes reality for you to touch and see,

though only as you concentrate on it so, you can also enter the dreamworld, though most likely at first only asleep and through real dreams, but the OBE experience will help you to get total control over your dreams (kinda a wishfantasy, you can do Anything there, without any consequence)

"though you might have to start paying more attention to your dreams (They are messages btw) than you allready do to get full access"

as you progress, you will enter the astral realm proper (closest one to our realm) which looks alot like this one, except you can sometimes see really ancient things that dont exist anymore in our world (as the astral is not quite real and affected heavily by the human mind and what it thinks about (the holy grail is probably there and the castle of arthur (havent checked)

or you could just be skeptical and disbelieve me or you could just rely on some really old book (or the words of others)

or simply try and see for yourself.
 

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
well, they´d go to heaven, pretty soon, many many people, try surviving an icelandic winter without having a home ;)


but that tower of babel is a great point too..

ok here is humanity, united, one goal. no strife no war no anything, just man at his finest, striving for the stars (though in a very dumb and ridiculous way..lol)

then god (its written actually, GodS, in the earliest versions of these writings(jehova is actually based on 1 of two people from alien races that were worshipped as gods, funny story, but there is really no other way to sensibly read that story othervise..the babylonian writings on which the hebrew religion was obviously based on (took much from it when they were creating their own religion)

decided that, now man was dangerous to "him" (them) "cause now nothing is gonna stop them" (weird way for your loving creator to put it"

and commence to smash it all to bits..

yeah, there is no way to interpet this except as (A god is insane OR (B there´s a shitload to that story we dont know (and its then definetly NOT a story about a loving creator god, but a vicious alien race that created us as slaves :) (well IF you read the earlier stories, (lol scriptures) from babylon (the cradle of civilization (its said))

insane part?

people, were united, happy, but they Were building A Tower of Clay, yes hello? how is god worrying about that?

thats akin to your kid building this little lego tower and you come screaming into his room, smash his tower, throw all his friends out of the room and make sure they never see eachother again (without some serious language difficulties (and some of them are yellor or brown now lol)

and why? "cause they were becoming like him" (probably a towerbuilder too and what? got jelous of the sons beautiful tower architecture??)

so see , there is obviously lot we dont know about that story.

read the bible (most christians dont) it doesnt make sense from the its supposed true viewpoint. read the babylonian writings, read all the scriptures that werent included in the bible, read the dead sea scrolls, read and think!

and see the bible,not as a story about god and his creation.

but as a collection of rather interesting crap from back when, in the times that cows flew and huge giants controlled the weather (yes and people with only one leg lived ona island somewhere (it TWAS a GIANT LEG AND THEY HOPPED ABOUT (true story about people believes oh 200 years back at the latest (the one legpart, you gotta go back further for the other stuff)

some useful philosophy inbetween.

you dont need god for anything btw..

heaven could be here.

all you need is love (give love and you shall recieve it (well, as long as you dont give it to assholes and dont respect true love back unless its that special someone you searched half the world for..)


its degrees of love, be nice to your neighbor, fuck your wife (its degrees of intimacy)



about the supernatural (the next world)

dont need religion for that either, same as with being good, (love) ya just need to get back to loving yourself and everything (love makes you happy) DO WHAT YOU LOVE.

im a "explorer" retired "traveller"

i did a lot of out of body experiments and all sorts of stuff back then.. travelled through other dimensions through that and saw the afterlife..

its nice.

there are many, many worlds,

not just heaven and hell (though places you could call that..)

when you die, you go where you belong (full of hate, you go to a place with people full of hate, full of love, you go to a place full of love (the party of parties, the best musicians, and the best places to chill afterwards)

though when you die,, you lose much of your fears and crap, (hey you are dead,what could worry you?)

so, end up pretty allright (till the next time they get reborn)



well, some of that might be wrong, lol.. but this much is confirmed by shamans and psychics around the world...

the life after death part, it being pretty nice there (can be) and rebirth if you want it (and the many worlds part..)


energy does not die and matter simply changes form (being energy)



now, i could tell you alot more, but im getting rather tired of writing.

besides, those of you that would argue me in this.

would have no experience with out of body trips and years of meditation, yoga and mindexpansion (years of sensory training and whatnot)

those of you who wish however, you could simply try for yourself, to get out of the body.

google OBE or simply "out of body experiences" "astral travel"

if you are dedicated you could probably do it in 2 weeks (there is no difference between a psychic man (f.e) and a "normal" man, except that the psychic one has opened himself up more)

and you dont need to be psychic to do it..

now, to get any real experience and knowledge, might take years of dedicated work.

but in 2 weeks, you might get to visit another world (though one not really real, the "astral plane" its right next to the dream plane (Real place) and you have near as much control over it as the dream world (you are omnipotent there, what you create with your mind, becomes reality for you to touch and see,

though only as you concentrate on it so, you can also enter the dreamworld, though most likely at first only asleep and through real dreams, but the OBE experience will help you to get total control over your dreams (kinda a wishfantasy, you can do Anything there, without any consequence)

"though you might have to start paying more attention to your dreams (They are messages btw) than you allready do to get full access"

as you progress, you will enter the astral realm proper (closest one to our realm) which looks alot like this one, except you can sometimes see really ancient things that dont exist anymore in our world (as the astral is not quite real and affected heavily by the human mind and what it thinks about (the holy grail is probably there and the castle of arthur (havent checked)

or you could just be skeptical and disbelieve me or you could just rely on some really old book (or the words of others)

or simply try and see for yourself.
Astral travel? Witch!!! Witch!!!! Attack!!! Jk.
 

codeine.420

Active Member
he is right god is a joker formed to seem powerful and remember humans created god its not like you were born knowing it and i bet 100% my whole life you will not know what the word god was , or is if it wasn't for people around you.. rest my case for you stupid god lovers read isiah 45:7 , formed light created darkness , :) clearly god is evil but in the bible he makes himself look holly strange i never brought into that stuff because its over rated and plan stupid maybe if humans didn't form this relation i would of messed with it and im safe practically from any judgement day if there is any since i believe in this religion but never ever will gather apon for it on earth i have a life what can i say.
 

Heisenberg

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I'm just saying that I'm not brainwashed, I'm a normal everyday guy. And I understand other religious and atheist views and I accept the facts and don't argue against them so I consider myself somewhat open minded. But like I said earlier athiest and religious people are both a little stubborn.
What makes you think a normal everyday guy cannot be manipulated into believing false conclusions? The more 'average' your brain thinks, the more likely it is to be fooled. Unless you are constantly aware of things like confirmation bias (and an entire list of other cognitive biases) and the inherit pitfalls of human perception, memory and reasoning, then you are being fooled. No one is totally exempt from these processes, but the 'normal everyday guy' is not even aware of them. True, this does not constitute brainwashing, but it does mean that without being very careful and thorough in your thinking, you can be quite easily fooled by yourself or others.
 

Padawanbater2

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How are you going to know for sure it's Jesus? Do you have his highschool ID card?
Hep, are you going to get around to answering this question I directed at you?

How would you know the person who rose up and claimed to be Jesus was actually Jesus?

If you're truly as "open minded" as you say you are, you'll give it a shot.
 

Michael Sparks

Active Member
WoW SSO hell of an rant, i digg it just happen to think that it could be more organized, at least your message got across to (some/me), I have had OBE's and lucid dreams, sometimes i can simply close my eyes and my mind takes me to someplace (completely random) and i see objects, space or people, sometimes random people in random setting/places once i had visuals of alien looking creatures, i figure it is just my imagination but what is imagination anyway.. i sure do appreciate the substances available sure makes life fun.
 

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
What makes you think a normal everyday guy cannot be manipulated into believing false conclusions? The more 'average' your brain thinks, the more likely it is to be fooled. Unless you are constantly aware of things like confirmation bias (and an entire list of other cognitive biases) and the inherit pitfalls of human perception, memory and reasoning, then you are being fooled. No one is totally exempt from these processes, but the 'normal everyday guy' is not even aware of them. True, this does not constitute brainwashing, but it does mean that without being very careful and thorough in your thinking, you can be quite easily fooled by yourself or others.
Well I'm brainwashed then fuck it. At least I'm not hurting anyone. So I think some of the people that think they are better than religious people should shut up because ur an asshole (not heisenberg just other people).
 

Heisenberg

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Well I'm brainwashed then fuck it. At least I'm not hurting anyone. So I think some of the people that think they are better than religious people should shut up because ur an asshole (not heisenberg just other people).
I was speaking in practical terms, and the use of the word brainwashed, in your case, is silly. If an audience member at a magic show is fooled into seeing a woman cut in half, guess what, that magician has just played on your various biases and the mistakes humans make in perception, memory, and reasoning. We would say this audience member has been fooled, we would never say he's been brainwashed. (ok so cutting a woman in half isn't impressive these days, fill in your favorite magic trick)

A magician exploits the human experience for the purpose of entertainment, but these are the very same principals that lead to common belief in everyday myths such as the fear of black cats, the belief in psychics, and certainty in God. This is why so many magicians are skeptics and atheists, because they are familiar with these mistakes and use them on a daily basis.
 
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