99% of Marijuana card holders are growing illegally!!

[abudtokr]

I think you guys just dont understand what I mean really..... If you cant follow the rules that are put down to allow you to do what you do. Why on earth would you brake the law if the law says you can have marijuana!? I think what they ment as for the 99% is that 13 people they busted was marijuana card holders and all 13 people was braking the law. But this is making it look like that all growers cant follow the rules. And I say if you cant follow the rules you got what you had coming. Thats really what I meant if you think I wish every grower that is growing got busted thats stupid. Im saying if you brake the law and get cough you got what you had coming.

So my question to you guys? This don't look bad to a judges or law makers that the marijuana card holders cant follow the rules... I am not talking about non-card holders, this don't apply to me. I am one of the card holders that grows just for myself and dont sell a pinch of it to no one. I save money by not having to buy it no more. I think that every card holder should have to do the same thing. Maybe TRADE strains but never have to cost hundreds of dollars for something that cost pennys to grow. Not pennys but it sure cost way less to grow then people charge.

 

[RawBudzski]

No man, If some one wants to Smoke Marijuana you should not even need a doctors note. Its a plant that people have smoked for thousands of years so screw those Laws. imo its a persons Right to Smoke whatever they please just dont bother other people.

I think you guys just dont understand what I mean really..... If you cant follow the rules that are put down to allow you to do what you do. Why on earth would you brake the law if the law says you can have marijuana!? I think what they ment as for the 99% is that 13 people they busted was marijuana card holders and all 13 people was braking the law. But this is making it look like that all growers cant follow the rules. And I say if you cant follow the rules you got what you had coming. Thats really what I meant if you think I wish every grower that is growing got busted thats stupid. Im saying if you brake the law and get cough you got what you had coming.

So my question to you guys? This don't look bad to a judges or law makers that the marijuana card holders cant follow the rules... I am not talking about non-card holders, this don't apply to me. I am one of the card holders that grows just for myself and dont sell a pinch of it to no one. I save money by not having to buy it no more. I think that every card holder should have to do the same thing. Maybe TRADE strains but never have to cost hundreds of dollars for something that cost pennys to grow. Not pennys but it sure cost way less to grow then people charge.

 

[abudtokr]

I totally agree with you 100% BUT!! its not legal and they tell me I am allowed 12 plants and 2.5 oz on hand. That part of the law is RETARTED!! Tell me how after 12 plants are done you only have 2.5 oz? This is not the case its legal for card holders and its making it look like people cant follow the RULES!!!<------- I think its bullshit WHY I ask myself grow more then 12?

And show me where it sasy "I WISHED THAT SOMEONE BUSTED"? I said that if people get cought selling to non card holders. Meaning if your a caregiver selling to not card holders then take all your shit and have to start over....... Not busted like get jail time. So dont put words in my mouth I never said.

 

[RawBudzski]

Wow sucks.. Here in cali you can have 8oz and 6 mature plants legally.. I am a caregiver for my brother in laws.

I totally agree with you 100% BUT!! its not legal and they tell me I am allowed 12 plants and 2.5 oz on hand. That part of the law is RETARTED!! Tell me how after 12 plants are done you only have 2.5 oz? This is not the case its legal for card holders and its making it look like people cant follow the RULES!!!<------- I think its bullshit WHY I ask myself grow more then 12?

And show me where it sasy "I WISHED THAT SOMEONE BUSTED"? I said that if people get cought selling to non card holders. Meaning if your a caregiver selling to not card holders then take all your shit and have to start over....... Not busted like get jail time. So dont put words in my mouth I never said.

 

[r1tony]

No man, If some one wants to Smoke Marijuana you should not even need a doctors note. Its a plant that people have smoked for thousands of years so screw those Laws. imo its a persons Right to Smoke whatever they please just dont bother other people.

With that attitude guns have been around for hundreds of years too people killing people, lets just make killing not against the law as well.

That would solve a lot of my problems, people here in the forum would then have to post their legit addresses and such..

 

[jonnynobody]

I totally agree with you 100% BUT!! its not legal and they tell me I am allowed 12 plants and 2.5 oz on hand. That part of the law is RETARTED!! Tell me how after 12 plants are done you only have 2.5 oz? This is not the case its legal for card holders and its making it look like people cant follow the RULES!!!

If you know how to cultivate marijuana then you know how to cycle your flowering plants and vegetative plants so that you never produce more than you are legally allowed to have. Apparently you've never heard of lollipopping your grow nor have you heard of concentrates. If you produce an overage, you make hash, hash oil, medibles, tincture....get the point? It's not hard staying within the parameters of the law if you know what you're doing and use your head.

Bottom line abu: people who are going to break the law are going to break the fucking law....they know what they're doing and that's why law enforcement exists and has job security. For every law created, there will be violations. I know prescription drug use and pill mills are rampant not only in this state but every other state in this damn country and even though doctors and alleged 'patients' are busted round the clock day in and day out trafficking pills, the last time I checked it was still pretty damn easy to get a prescription narcotic. Stop being a talking head for bill shitty....the sky is not falling chicken little.

 

[RawBudzski]

Is that not the case already? so whats the issue. speaking on the Guns.. not killing.. their are more people who OWN illegal guns than you know I am sure.

With that attitude guns have been around for hundreds of years too people killing people, lets just make killing not against the law as well.

That would solve a lot of my problems, people here in the forum would then have to post their legit addresses and such..

 

[dukeanthony]

Guess your the ones who cant be happy..... I would have though there would have been a different response. I hope everyone of you get busted that are doing it illegally. And I mean that..... Specially you two.

I am glad you think of me as god and you as the little peon. Brightens my day!!

You said it right there in your fit of rage first page

 

[RawBudzski]

Its people who decide to kill other people, that has improved over time. But same as Mj, Guns will be owned by people regardless of any "Laws". Here in the U.S. anyway.

 

[jonnynobody]

With that attitude guns have been around for hundreds of years too people killing people, lets just make killing not against the law as well.

That would solve a lot of my problems, people here in the forum would then have to post their legit addresses and such..

lol I love when somebody like yourself compares a law that is intended to curb VIOLENT acts against humanity (i.e. murder laws) to a law which seeks to persecute an invidual for a personal decision that affects no one other than themselves. (i.e. victimless crime / simple marijuana possession). Nice try chief but I think it's back to the drawing board for ya.

 

[Stoner Smurf]

So my question to you guys? This don't look bad to a judges or law makers that the marijuana card holders cant follow the rules... I am not talking about non-card holders, this don't apply to me. I am one of the card holders that grows just for myself and dont sell a pinch of it to no one. I save money by not having to buy it no more. I think that every card holder should have to do the same thing. Maybe TRADE strains but never have to cost hundreds of dollars for something that cost pennys to grow. Not pennys but it sure cost way less to grow then people charge.

Although kind of a moot point, but I am going to make it anyway, it costs a lot more than pennies to grow proper medical grade marijuana. After factoring in electricity, nutrients and foliar feeds, NG or propane for C02, etc etc, it cost around $70 per oz to produce. But all that doesn't matter, because this is America and in America one is allowed to make a profit for their knowledge, abilities, and logistics. Know how much it costs to make a 12 pack of Coca-Cola? Roughly 78 cents, yet they sell for $5.00+ deposit. A mid-sized car only costs a couple thousand to make. The manufacture marks it up 500%+, then the dealer will mark it up another 100%. So you have a car that costs $2000 to make being sold for $20000.

An oz being grown for $70 and sold for $200-$250 is a much smaller markup than any other product. Then the dispensaries mark it up another 75%, which is pretty normal. A lot of costs go into having a store front. I would be very shocked if any dispensary was able to keep monthly operational costs under $10,000.

So why are people allowed to feed their families and put money into their local economy if they grow corn or beans, but not if they grow medical marijuana? Why is phizer and other drug manufactures allowed to make money to pay their employees, but co-op employees are suppose to work for free or out of the goodness of their heart?

 

[filtereye]

lol all these people giving dirt on other people who do something illegally your soooo badd! your disobeying the law, let me smoke a joint now even though its illegal where i live some laws like smoking herb is just retarded, its a part of some peoples lives. lets enforce a conservative close-minded lifestyle on our people.

its like the basil in our pasta sauce

its the vermicili in our chinese noodles

 

[abudtokr]

You said it right there in your fit of rage first page

The CARD HOLDERS!!!! I am not part of the illegal grow ops. it dont affect me one bit by the sounds of things these guys have there cards so I can see where you think thats what I ment. SORRY! But I am talking about the CARDHOLDERS! Its making us look bad and I dont want the cops looking at me and wanting to take my shit.

 

[Cali chronic]

Legalize it...

 

[Corso312]

99% of the people growing marijuana in northern Michigan is doing it illegally. Kinda sad and your making this program look bad. I can not believe what this is doing to people just because you can do it dont give you the right to take advantage. 12 plants is alot!! Just think of the money you save not having to buy it.... for me thats 500 a month. Now, I think what they should do... For real, Shut down all dispensary's There a rip off anyway! and anyone cough selling it to anyone other then the patiant shut them down...... I though this was a good idea really its just giving drug dealers to hide. I myself am a card holder. Have a caregiver, I hope is doing the right thing. I just cant believe this our whole town is flipped out about this. There was 13 people busted all growers with cards. 100% of the bust had to many plants and WAY to much on hand. With guns and cocaine. I am ashamed of the system letting just anyone get there cards like this. Like I said it was a good idea at first now its out of control I think this whole thing was made up to get money and then bust the people growing. You mean to tell me the cops cant find out who has there card? HA!! They know trust me.....

Anyway here is a link to the news check it out.........http://www.alpenanow.com/index.php/2011/08/19/hunt-busts-13-pot-growers-across-3-counties/

If that dont work just type it in.... alpenanow.com and just scroll down.... You will see it.

you ignorant hillbilly you remind me of that homo judasofcannabis ..first off everyone growing with a card or without a card is breaking federal law..secondly NOBODY SHOULD NEED A CARD TO GROW period

 

[jamiesname]

Tell you what OP, those of us who don't follow the law do it because we deserve MORE than what the law is giving us. Don't take this the wrong way -the MMJ law is a huge breakthrough and definitely a step in the right direction. However, we shouldn't be forced to live in the shadows (like you said that you are in your OP) and be afraid that some piece of shit cop is going to fuck us around even though we are within our limits, just because he can.

Your original post reminds me of a slave who has learned to love their life of eating out of garbage cans, and is thankful for what little freedom they have been given. You settle for what you have because it is the most that you were ever given. Slaves settled for being beaten and abused for the same reason. While you have the MMJ law and believe that nobody should do anything to jeopardize it, slaves felt the same way regarding their lives. They took the beatings because they were used to it and were afraid to hit back.

Just because you have a few table scraps in reference to the MMJ law doesn't mean that you should accept it as if it were written by God himself. MMJ isonly a small battle in the war towards legalization. You can accept your miniscule handout and live life as if everything is all about rainbows and unicorns, or you can join the fight and help us win. There is no reason that ANYONE should be put on/in probation, jail, or prison for the sole reason of personally using/growing marijuana.

Get a fucking crowbar and break your lips free from Bill Schuette's ass and maybe you will have a better view of the real world.

 

[jonnynobody]

Damn fine post there jamie. Cheers!

 

[abudtokr]

How do you expect them to legalize it if the people cant follow the rules now? I am not talking about people that already grow illegally AGAIN. I am talking about CARD HOLDERS! I also think it should be legal for everyone to grow. Then the cost would only have to go down. So yes more power to ya... Lets do it!! But how do you think we suggest this when the people that are allowed to do it cant follow the RULES!!! Shit for brains!

 

[Philosophist]

I will smash your face into a car windshield, and then take your mother, Dorothy Mantooth-Abudtokr, out for a nice seafood dinner and never call her again.

 

[Philosophist]

How do you expect them to legalize it if the people cant follow the rules now? I am not talking about people that already grow illegally AGAIN. I am talking about CARD HOLDERS! I also think it should be legal for everyone to grow. Then the cost would only have to go down. So yes more power to ya... Lets do it!! But how do you think we suggest this when the people that are allowed to do it cant follow the RULES!!! Shit for brains!

Also maybe the "Illegal" grower just wanted the card so that if they got pulled over with thier stash of personal they dont go the jail??? Or maybe they smoke, and have another job that requires them to have a medical card for there drug tests?
Or maybe on eof 1000 different reasons, which illustrates they main issue here, Your speaking very narrowly about a broad subject. Not a good idea