The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

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Carthoris

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londonfog said:
wrong..only two states take money out for UI from the employee...the rest of the states the Employer pays for it
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Some people don't 'pay' for their health insurance from their employers either. However, they are still paying for it. Benefits, whether health, dental, disability, unemployment or other are essentially part of the pay that employees receive. Whether it shows up on your check stub like social security, or reduces the amount you would make to begin with it is still payed for by the employee.

Also, if the employers payed for all the unemployment, then why did our deficit increase by billions to cover unemployment?
 
budlover13

budlover13

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Carthoris said:
Some people don't 'pay' for their health insurance from their employers either. However, they are still paying for it. Benefits, whether health, dental, disability, unemployment or other are essentially part of the pay that employees receive. Whether it shows up on your check stub like social security, or reduces the amount you would make to begin with it is still payed for by the employee.

Also, if the employers payed for all the unemployment, then why did our deficit increase by billions to cover unemployment?
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You just stated what i was trying to figure out how to. Thanks.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Carthoris said:
Some people don't 'pay' for their health insurance from their employers either. However, they are still paying for it. Benefits, whether health, dental, disability, unemployment or other are essentially part of the pay that employees receive. Whether it shows up on your check stub like social security, or reduces the amount you would make to begin with it is still payed for by the employee.

Also, if the employers payed for all the unemployment, then why did our deficit increase by billions to cover unemployment?
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you get paid what you agree to work for...look at your pay stub and tell me which tax is covering UI..tell me the name of it.... and since we now have so many people unemployed the Federal Gov. now has to kick in dough to cover what the employer does not
 
budlover13

budlover13

King Tut
londonfog said:
you get paid what you agree to work for...look at your pay stub and tell me which tax is covering UI..tell me the name of it and since we now have so many people unemployed the Federal Gov. now has to kick in dough to cover what the employer does not
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If you didn't have to pay UI for your employees, would you pay them more and how much if so?
 
tryingtogrow89

tryingtogrow89

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UncleBuck said:
i grow plants with pretty flowers :)

i didn't say he chose to be unemployed, i said he chose to collect unemployment checks.

and then sit there on the computer all day instead of looking for a job.

and try to start revolutions against the very people sending him his checks.
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no you sit on the computer all day.
Lets see you joined 2010 i joined 2008 you have thousands of more posts than i.
You rode the short bus i get it. You are the one with proof you sit on the computer all day. Once again you fail miserably.:dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:
Of course i will collect my money, its through me my job and my state, retard!
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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tryingtogrow89 said:
no you sit on the computer all say.
Lets see you joined 2010 i joined 2008 you have thousands of more posts than i.
You rode the short bus i get it. You are the one with proof you sit on the computer all day. Once again you fail miserably.:dunce::dunce::dunce::dunce:
Of course i will collect my money, its through me my job and my state, retard!
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i just watered the lawn.

now i have to change the hay in the chicken coop.

have fun starting that revolution with your unemployment check.

:lol:
 
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Carthoris

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londonfog said:
you get paid what you agree to work for...look at your pay stub and tell me which tax is covering UI..tell me the name of it.... and since we now have so many people unemployed the Federal Gov. now has to kick in dough to cover what the employer does not
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I never said it was a tax that showed up on your check stub, so stop expanding my comments until they justify your retort. Just like inflation is a hidden tax, so is this. Ultimately the employee pays this tax, they just don't realize it.

Random unemployment information: My employer pays it differently than what you are probably used to. I don't have to deal with all that paperwork myself as I have an underling who does all the invoicing, ect. I do know we pay per unemployment claim also. I actually get part of my bonus based on how many unemployment claims we pay for. Where I live you aren't supposed to get unemployment if you quit, or if you are fired for a good reason(its more involved than that). This motivates me to ensure that everything is done correctly and by policy. Everything is documented that happens with the employees. The unemployment hearing officers rarely sides with businesses, though, even if the employee outright quit. They never side with the business even if the employee has shown a continued and willful neglect of job duties or grow misconduct. I am unsure why they bother to have the rules involving it to be honest, since they don't mean anything.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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budlover13 said:
If you didn't have to pay UI for your employees, would you pay them more and how much if so?
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to be perfectly honest guy when all is said and done we really don't pay as much as one would think we do..we pay a percentage on about the first 9000-13000 a employee makes ( depending on the state )..the percentage is based on your "experience rate" ( meaning how many claims you have had against you)..it could be as low as .03% to as high as 5%..so it would all depends..a low rating I would only have to pay about 270 per employee with the goverment footing the rest of the bill...a high rating I could pay more..now would I return that money to employee if I didn't have to pay...I think I would invest it ...I pay you what you agree to and thats abot 10-11 dollars hr ...12.50 if you speak spanish
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Carthoris said:
I never said it was a tax that showed up on your check stub, so stop expanding my comments until they justify your retort. Just like inflation is a hidden tax, so is this. Ultimately the employee pays this tax, they just don't realize it.

Random unemployment information: My employer pays it differently than what you are probably used to. I don't have to deal with all that paperwork myself as I have an underling who does all the invoicing, ect. I do know we pay per unemployment claim also. I actually get part of my bonus based on how many unemployment claims we pay for. Where I live you aren't supposed to get unemployment if you quit, or if you are fired for a good reason(its more involved than that). This motivates me to ensure that everything is done correctly and by policy. Everything is documented that happens with the employees. The unemployment hearing officers rarely sides with businesses, though, even if the employee outright quit. They never side with the business even if the employee has shown a continued and willful neglect of job duties or grow misconduct. I am unsure why they bother to have the rules involving it to be honest, since they don't mean anything.
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its not a hidden tax..you don't pay for it..stop trying to make a hidden tax to justify your argument...and if your bonus is affected by unemployment you must be in management in which everything can have an affect...
 
tryingtogrow89

tryingtogrow89

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Carthoris said:
I never said it was a tax that showed up on your check stub, so stop expanding my comments until they justify your retort. Just like inflation is a hidden tax, so is this. Ultimately the employee pays this tax, they just don't realize it.

Random unemployment information: My employer pays it differently than what you are probably used to. I don't have to deal with all that paperwork myself as I have an underling who does all the invoicing, ect. I do know we pay per unemployment claim also. I actually get part of my bonus based on how many unemployment claims we pay for. Where I live you aren't supposed to get unemployment if you quit, or if you are fired for a good reason(its more involved than that). This motivates me to ensure that everything is done correctly and by policy. Everything is documented that happens with the employees. The unemployment hearing officers rarely sides with businesses, though, even if the employee outright quit. They never side with the business even if the employee has shown a continued and willful neglect of job duties or grow misconduct. I am unsure why they bother to have the rules involving it to be honest, since they don't mean anything.
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Agreed! +rep
 
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munch box

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So does Ron Paul think the same thing as Rick Perry about paying into social security? Does he know its a ponzi scheme?

"We need to have a conversation with America, just like we're having right here today, and admit that is a Ponzi scheme for these young people," Perry said. "The idea that they're working and paying into Social Security today, the current program, that it's going to be there for them, is a lie."
Perry used similar "Ponzi scheme" language to describe Social Security in Fed Up, the book he wrote last year. A campaign spokesman tried to soft-pedal that view in an interview with the Wall Street Journal this month, noting that the book was written before Perry decided to run for president, and saying it doesn't reflect the governor's current views.
But Perry himself made no such distinction at a weekend appearance in Des Moines.
"I haven't backed off anything in my book. So read the book again and get it right," he said.
 
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Carthoris

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londonfog said:
its not a hidden tax..you don't pay for it..stop trying to make a hidden tax to justify your argument...and if your bonus is affected by unemployment you must be in management in which everything can have an affect
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You could make the argument that the customers pay for it in higher prices, I suppose. I think we both know that businesses don't reduce their profit to pay for things. They either pay less or charge more. Either way, it amounts to the same thing.

You said you would probably not give it to your employees if you didn't have to pay it. That means they are losing something they get from you currently. If that isn't a reduction in compensation, then what the fuck is it? Santa Claus punishing you for being bad?

I am in management, yes. I get my bonus based on all sorts of stupid shit. Inventory turns, customer satisfaction, inventory level, profit, sales, unemployment, how many of what kind of worker I have. Now that you say that, I believe I do recall a conversation with one of the regional managers where we talked about trying to keep our % down and that was why my bonus was in part from unemployment numbers.
 
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