What is un-American About The Tea Party

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
You're right in that there are a lot of things that contributed to his mess. Both parties had a hand in it. We need to res tructure govt pending. Govt pensions are unsustainable as well as Medicare and SS. We are all gonna have to bite the bullet. That's the problem because some people don't want to sacrifice.
i am not going to sacrifice for an issue which i did not create, and i am not going to ask people in a similar position as me to do so, either.

i worked, i paid my taxes, i didn't buy a house i couldn't afford, i didn't bundle worthless mortgages together and then bet against them. we need to have laser focus on where most of the 'sacrifice' will come from, because i sure as hell don't want to see people who did everything right pay for the excesses and greed of those above.
 

Jack Fate

New Member
i am not going to sacrifice for an issue which i did not create, and i am not going to ask people in a similar position as me to do so, either.

i worked, i paid my taxes, i didn't buy a house i couldn't afford, i didn't bundle worthless mortgages together and then bet against them. we need to have laser focus on where most of the 'sacrifice' will come from, because i sure as hell don't want to see people who did everything right pay for the excesses and greed of those above.
Repeal the health care bill and remove Obama from office. That's a very good start.
 

dukeanthony

New Member
Repeal the health care bill and remove Obama from office. That's a very good start.
ES&D

Most people are for health care reform
And if you add in the people that are angry because we didnt go farther
its an Obverwhelming majority
Sorry the Tea party brainwashed you
BTW The "Tea Party" has moved on to attacking Natural gas
Guess americans for progress will advocate for the highest bidder
Just like they did for health care
Useful idiots (like you) are still idiots
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Repeal the health care bill and remove Obama from office. That's a very good start.
no thanks. my wife has wealth to protect and it is important for her to be insured. i could give a shit less which figurehead is in office, but i will not stand idly by while health insurance companies profit off of denying people coverage and kicking them off once they get sick.

my health is a not for profit enterprise.
 

Luger187

Well-Known Member
i havent read much of this thread, but i saw you guys talking about the koch brothers and thought i would add this

http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=8700

its an audio recording of a seminar they had in july. heres some snippets

But, you know, we've talked about our competitive disadvantage, how we're overwhelmed in a number of areas, but we have --- and one of those areas, of course, is the media --- and we're overwhelmed. The media's ninety-plus percent against us.
LOL @ 90%

And we've had a lot of tough battles. We've lost a lot over the years and we've won some recently. Set the stage for, as I've said, the mother of all battles coming up a year from November, and I've pledged to all of you who've stepped forward and are partnering with us that we are absolutely going to do our utmost to invest this money wisely and get the best possible payoff for you in the future of our country.
sure sounds like big money is trying to change politics to me
 

Jack Fate

New Member
i am not going to sacrifice for an issue which i did not create, and i am not going to ask people in a similar position as me to do so, either.

i worked, i paid my taxes, i didn't buy a house i couldn't afford, i didn't bundle worthless mortgages together and then bet against them. we need to have laser focus on where most of the 'sacrifice' will come from, because i sure as hell don't want to see people who did everything right pay for the excesses and greed of those above.
When you have your awakening, you'll fit right in with the Tea Party.
 

Jack Fate

New Member
ES&D

Most people are for health care reform
And if you add in the people that are angry because we didnt go farther
its an Obverwhelming majority
Sorry the Tea party brainwashed you
BTW The "Tea Party" has moved on to attacking Natural gas
Guess americans for progress will advocate for the highest bidder
Just like they did for health care
Useful idiots (like you) are still idiots
LOL. I am also for health care reform. The problem is this bill is worse than what we had. That is why the majority of Americans are against this health care bill. You're the one brainwashed, pal.
 

Jack Fate

New Member
no thanks. my wife has wealth to protect and it is important for her to be insured. i could give a shit less which figurehead is in office, but i will not stand idly by while health insurance companies profit off of denying people coverage and kicking them off once they get sick.

my health is a not for profit enterprise.
Then why in the wide wide world of sports would you trust govt to take care of you. That's insanity.
 

dukeanthony

New Member
LOL. I am also for health care reform. The problem is this bill is worse than what we had. That is why the majority of Americans are against this health care bill. You're the one brainwashed, pal.

December 2, 1993 - Leading conservative operative William Kristol privately circulates a strategy document to Republicans in Congress. Kristol writes that congressional Republicans should work to "kill" -- not amend -- the Clinton plan because it presents a real danger to the Republican future: Its passage will give the Democrats a lock on the crucial middle-class vote and revive the reputation of the party. Nearly a full year before Republicans will unite behind the "Contract With America," Kristol has provided the rationale and the steel for them to achieve their aims of winning control of Congress and becoming America's majority party. Killing health care will serve both ends. The timing of the memo dovetails with a growing private consensus among Republicans that all-out opposition to the Clinton plan is in their best political interest. Until the memo surfaces, most opponents prefer behind-the-scenes warfare largely shielded from public view. The boldness of Kristol's strategy signals a new turn in the battle. Not only is it politically acceptable to criticize the Clinton plan on policy grounds, it is also politically advantageous. By the end of 1993, blocking reform poses little risk as the public becomes increasingly fearful of what it has heard about the Clinton plan.
 

dukeanthony

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Late January 1994 - A critically influential -- and intensely controversial -- pair of articles appears on the Wall Street Journal's conservative editorial page and in the liberal New Republic. Written by an obscure staffer of the conservative Manhattan Institute, the fear-mongering articles paint a devastating account of the impact of the Clinton plan. The White House, and other independent experts, say the articles are filled with patent falsehoods and distortions. Notwithstanding the criticism, the articles become highly influential, especially in conservative circles. Newt Gingrich will later characterize them as "the first decisive breakpoint" in support for the Clinton plan.
 

dukeanthony

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March 4-5, 1994 - Senate Republicans caucus privately in Annapolis, Maryland, in a retreat organized by Republican John Chafee, whose bill nominally has more support than any other from the Senate GOP. Going into Annapolis, Dole and Chafee still hold the view that public opinion and political prudence require Republicans to come up with an alternative to the Clinton plan. They view the erosion of public support as an opportunity for the Republicans to steal Clinton's thunder, not to block any change. At Dole's invitation, Newt Gingrich comes to the meeting. He implicitly warns GOP senators that any Republican concessions will be met with more Democratic demands. Phill Gramm also weighs in against any Republican compromise on health reform. The original list of speakers expands to include business lobbyists and consultants suggested by conservatives. Chafee -- who had hoped to discuss areas of agreement -- finds himself listening to speeches of opposition. This meeting becomes a crucial step, not in forming a Republican alternative to the Clinton plan but in demonstrating to Dole how dangerous it will be for him to be part of any compromise
 

dukeanthony

New Member
Spring 1994 - Republicans other than Newt Gingrich begin to see a tantalizing prospect of winning control of Congress by opposing the Clinton health plan as a quintessential example of Big Government Democratic liberalism run wild. An article in the right-wing American Spectator Suggests Dole's presidential prospects hinge on his ability to block any govemment-run health care system. Dole's top aide, Sheila Burke, quickly finds herself the target of abuse from ultraconservatives because of Dole's seeming moderate stance.
 

VTXDave

Well-Known Member
My issue with ObamaCare is that it has done nothing to reign in rising medical costs. Thusly, I do not support it. Show me a health care bill that will reduce the cost of a blood test from $400 dollars to $50 dollars, or 2 ibuprofens at the hospital from $100 dollars to $2 dollars and I will vehemently support it (Dem or Rep, I don't care...Do that, you have my support). Obamacare FORCES people to have insurance....Who wins? The Insurance Industry...But we all know that, don't we? We just conveniently ignore that "little" detail.

Additionally, I'd be more prone to supporting a health care bill instead of spending money on bombs to kill Muslims. I know....I'm kinda weird that way.
 

dukeanthony

New Member
My issue with ObamaCare is that it has done nothing to reign in rising medical costs. Thusly, I do not support it. Show me a health care bill that will reduce the cost of a blood test from $400 dollars to $50 dollars, or 2 ibuprofens at the hospital from $100 dollars to $2 dollars and I will vehemently support it (Dem or Rep, I don't care...Do that, you have my support). Obamacare FORCES people to have insurance....Who wins? The Insurance Industry...But we all know that, don't we? We just conveniently ignore that "little" detail.

Additionally, I'd be more prone to supporting a health care bill instead of spending money on bombs to kill Muslims. I know....I'm kinda weird that way.
Medicare Part E
E as in Everyone
Unfortunatly a Republican name Joe Lieberman Killed that
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
When you have your awakening, you'll fit right in with the Tea Party.
not likely. i don't want to see the country fail to satisfy the naive ideologue within me.

Then why in the wide wide world of sports would you trust govt to take care of you. That's insanity.
my wife still gets insurance form a private insurer. nice try though.

unrelated, but my spelling sucks today. i am having to go back and correct about 1/3 of what i type. pathetic.
 

VTXDave

Well-Known Member
Ive never seen a democrat man kiss a republican president before
OK...Whatever. Spin as you wish...ObamaCare makes the Insurance Industry wealthier as it forces everyone to have medical insurance. That's what it's all about...Everyone MUST have medical insurance.

I'm surprised you don't agree with me Duke. You're sounding awfully partisan. I can't imagine anyone who would disagree that medical costs are way out of line and nobody in DC seems to be addressing that issue. Fuck insurance...Make healthcare costs reasonable and I won't need insurance as I take care of my body and health. I eat well, I exercise, I'm med free at 51 years of age. If helath care costs were reasonable, I'd pay cash on the very few occasions that I need to go see a doc.

Firthermore, I'd even entertain being behind ObamaCare, but I have issues with a warmonger such as him taking my dollars to kill brown people and then taking my dollars to force me to have insurance. Stop killing people and maintaining an Empire and take care of your people back home Obama and you might have this man's support....Until then...FUCK OFF JACKHOLE....I will not vote for you and I will do whatever I can to get you out of office.
 
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