Let 'em die! Woooooo! Yeah!

UncleBuck

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i then protect my home against incidental fire through either insurance or through physical means (think fire-proofing, not coersion).
so, his freedom to build a fire trap means you are forced to fireproof your home at your expense (which is not even possible in all cases, see row homes, attached homes, etc).

If that is not an available option then myself and my neighbors will make him feel extremely unwelcome.
that's coercion :shock:
 

UncleBuck

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is the ron paul solution to this for everyone to build a shack on the wide open range miles away from their neighbor?
 

budlover13

King Tut
so, his freedom to build a fire trap means you are forced to fireproof your home at your expense (which is not even possible in all cases, see row homes, attached homes, etc).



that's coercion :shock:
It IS coersion without the threat of violence. Simply the threat of being ostracized.

And why would you NOT fireproof your home as well as possible?
 

munch box

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is the ron paul solution to this for everyone to build a shack on the wide open range miles away from their neighbor?
Wherever. As long as when you get sick, its not my problem.... I don't think Ron Paul wants to tell anybody to do anything. Thats the idea. A true Libertarian
 

UncleBuck

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Wherever. As long as when you get sick, its not my problem.... I don't think Ron Paul wants to tell anybody to do anything. Thats the idea.
actually, when others get sick, it often is my problem whether i like it or not. they have to be treated whether they have money or not.

they could make it less of my problem by insuring themselves.
 

munch box

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actually, when others get sick, it often is my problem whether i like it or not. they have to be treated whether they have money or not.

they could make it less of my problem by insuring themselves.
No sir. Thats what this thread is about....... remember? OP
 

UncleBuck

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No sir. Thats what this thread is about....... remember? OP
labradoodle.

"no sir" to what? insuring yourself? if so, then you are pushing your costs onto me eventually. the exact thing you said not to do.

don't blame libs for this either. it was a heritage foundation idea. personal responsibility, all that shit.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
i see a parallel here.

just like munch advocates pushing his health care costs onto me by refusing to get insured, budlover advocates allowing your neighbors to push costs onto you by refusing to enforce simple building and safety regulations.
 

budlover13

King Tut
i see a parallel here.

just like munch advocates pushing his health care costs onto me by refusing to get insured, budlover advocates allowing your neighbors to push costs onto you by refusing to enforce simple building and safety regulations.
Enforcement at what cost though UB?
 

budlover13

King Tut
freedom isn't free.

my freedom to not have to fireproof my home at my expense or watch it burn won't be free.

i understand this, do you?
i understand that freedom isn't free UB but the price for freedom is blood and an occasional rebuilding of a house (of course with the help of the same neighbors that were ALSO going to your neighbors house while it is being built and advise him of the same common sense you did {even if a lie, repeat it enough and the majority will believe it} but is it worth sacrificing everyone's freedom? Not to me.
 

munch box

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To my knowledge, the only people who invest in business "destined to fail" is the government. Obama doesn't know the first thing about running a business. Hes never had to keep a payroll in his life. Look at Solyndra. Bush denied the Solyndra loan 10 days before he left office. Obama said it was a great idea and gave up a half billion.(down the drain) Sounds like more crony capitalism.(Or hes an idiot) More change we can't believe in.
 

redivider

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freedom?? codes are set up so everybody has a minimum level of safety in their homes and would be unfair if not applied to everybody.

building permits prevent your neighbor from erecting an unsafe building which could damage your property, which in turn raises insurance premiums.

the cost of 100% freedom is quality of life. you should see what building permit-free areas of nicaragua and india look like. if that's what 'freedom' is, i'll take some beurocracy and building permits.
 

redivider

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To my knowledge, the only people who invest in business "destined to fail" is the government. Obama doesn't know the first thing about running a business. Hes never had to keep a payroll in his life. Look at Solyndra. Bush denied the Solyndra loan 10 days before he left office. Obama said it was a great idea and gave up a half billion.(down the drain) Sounds like more crony capitalism.(Or hes an idiot) More change we can't believe in.
bush denied the solyndra loan based on politics. green energy isn't a republican push you know.

this is why 'special interests', 'super lobbying' and 'money = free speech' is sooo dangerous.....
 

munch box

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bush denied the solyndra loan based on politics. green energy isn't a republican push you know.

this is why 'special interests', 'super lobbying' and 'money = free speech' is sooo dangerous.....
Well then I guess its a shame we have Obama in office. Otherwise we may have been able to slow down the loan process and tackle to the red flags, instead of ignoring the many signs of bad investment.

You have the same excuses that are coming from the white house. Are you James Carney? America is ready for a leader. Any day now.... Whenever you are ready Mr. President
 

redivider

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it's not an excuse, it's a failure in the system.

the bush administration denied the loan, and the obama administration pushed the loan through on politics and special interests....
 

munch box

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it's not an excuse, it's a failure in the system.

the bush administration denied the loan, and the obama administration pushed the loan through on politics and special interests....
.......AND Solyndra was huge contributor to Obama's 2008 election campaign. There you go. Now you are grasping the reality of what is "crony capitalism"
 
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