Padawanbater2
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Do you know what redshift is?
Do you know who Edwin Hubble was?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Hubble
No evidence huh?
What would you call that?
what is it that convinces you ?
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Do you know who Edwin Hubble was?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Hubble
No evidence huh?
What would you call that?
Luger187
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please tell me... how did your creator create the universe? do you have a better explanation?
Hepheastus420
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Hey Luger, I took a look at that video clip and got this from it. The universe is expanding and can be proven by the redshift. The universe has been around 13.8 billion years. What I didn't get from it is what created it? Were they saying that there was gases and energy waves before the big bang? His accent was a little strange to follow and I kept talking to someone so I feel like I missed where they explain the very beginning. I know they have evidence that shows how old the universe is and how it's expanding but how was it created? Please explain because I can't really hear him that good.
sen.c
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Oh, that got a reaction and by the way padawan to answers your questions yes. Your point is, exactly. How bought this, we just say you are idiots like you call us. Now we are both idiots. It is funnt every time someone states they don't have the evidence they require to meet their individual burden of proof all you science boys jump up and call us simple minded, stupid and everything else but in the grand scheme of things you can't PROVE your claims either. Boy isn't that funny how that works.
Hepheastus420
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Wait so all the big bang states is the universe started in a very hot dense space. Ok so they have evidence to prove the big bang. Let's put that to the side, now then can you explain where this very hot dense space was created? What gave the heat? Were there gases that created the heat? If so what created those gases? How was there any space if there was nothing (I'm not talking about the big bang)? So something must be expanding (big bang) but what is this something? How was this something created?
Hepheastus420
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True but you can't just say one is wrong when you don't know for sure yours is fact.
Luger187
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id say thats an assumption
that question tells me you have not even looked into the big bang.
at first there was pure energy, which eventually spread out enough to cool down and form particles and atoms. at first there was no matter, just energy. we know this is possible because atom bombs work. energy and mass are interchangeable
thats a bunch of bullshit
uhh okay
you just got done telling me you believe the big bang is false for no apparent reason. there is tons of evidence that shows morals have been evolved. there is tons of evidence that we are an evolved species that didnt just show up when god created us. theres tons of evidence that shows religious beliefs are nothing but tricks of the brain. theres tons of evidence that shows people form beliefs first, then search for information that backs up their beliefs. basically, you see what you want to see(god changing events that are actually not god) because you already know god is real.
and also the lack of evidence for your god shows you dont listen to what science says.
you are blind because you only read the good parts of the bible and deny the bad parts. you think the bible is full of good morals. you deny facts about the things i said right above this quote.
you make excuses for the people back in the bible days by believing that their experiences are real without any verification. you have nothing to base your beliefs on besides the very same book that gives you those beliefs. just because somebody says they saw something doesnt make it true, and even if it is, that persons description could be WAY off from reality.
how could you possibly know anything god wants? you dont even have evidence for why you think he exists, let alone enough to verify his wants and needs.
the reason it ends up with you 'being crazy' is because you have no reason to believe this nonsense you do. you have told me you have no reason other than faith. that is not a good enough reason to believe something that so fundamentally changes your life.
Luger187
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the big bang is NOT a creation theory. it does not say what happened before the singularity.
cannabineer
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Scientists can describe the likely overall conditions in the young universe to within maybe ten to the minus forty-third second of the moment of bangness.
But if you want to know "what CAUSED the Big Bang to happen?" nobody, not scientist not other, has a plausible explanation yet. We're so far operating on the effective certainty that it did happen.
As for what preceded the Big Bang? Less than nothing. There was no space, no time. There was only whatever higher supercontinuum (extra dimensions in time andor space) into which the baby universe emerged like a tiny hot dense bubble in a hyperdimensional can of soda.
cheers 'neer
But if you want to know "what CAUSED the Big Bang to happen?" nobody, not scientist not other, has a plausible explanation yet. We're so far operating on the effective certainty that it did happen.
As for what preceded the Big Bang? Less than nothing. There was no space, no time. There was only whatever higher supercontinuum (extra dimensions in time andor space) into which the baby universe emerged like a tiny hot dense bubble in a hyperdimensional can of soda.
cheers 'neer
Hepheastus420
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Ok I said ignore the big bang, now then please explain how the universe was created.
Please answer the questions from my last post.
Luger187
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there was no 'where' before the big bang. space itself was created from it. there was no concept of space before the big bang.
do you have an explanation for how the singularity was created besides god did it?(unless you have evidence for that of course)
the lack of 'space' and the particles flying around and bumping into eachother
gas is a form of matter
i think you mean what created the singularity. the answer is we dont know
there wasnt space. the big bang is the explanation of the universe and SPACE ITSELF expanding. its a hard concept to grasp
space is expanding. we call the expansionary 'force' dark energy.
we dont know
i hope this doesnt turn into a 'the big bang doesnt say what happened before the singularity, so god must be real' debate. in order to form conclusions, you MUST have something to back up your claims. you cannot just say god exists because we dont know.
also i would like to add this. if we know this expansion happened and blah blah blah... doesnt that make god creating the earth and putting humans on it a little ridiculous?
Padawanbater2
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This isn't the way you figure things out dude. Nobody knows how the universe was created. We are limited right now, we don't know. This doesn't mean we won't find out or there aren't good theories out there.
But just because we don't know doesn't mean "God did it". Do you understand that?
Luger187
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so we should just assume god did it and leave it at that?
Luger187
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why would i know what created the universe? i dont assume things just because i dont understand the concept. now your turn. please explain how the universe was created
sorry idk what question you are referring to
edit: oops i did answer the questions already haha
olylifter420
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diesel15
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let me just say this. idone just about every sin in the bible man, multiple times, and istill slip up from time to time but hey, im human like the rest of yall. but look, iremember when mom and pops use to say, dont do this or that and idid it anyway and im still beating myself up for not listening and im sure many of you are too. but put it this way, God says dont do this or that, and we do it anyway, and what happens ? the consequences. you see, mommy and daddy told us those things for a reason. to keep us from those consequences, because they knew what would happen. the same, God knows whats going to happen and 100% of the time it does if you keep doing it. God's law is indestructable, it aint going no where, so why go against it?
blazinkill504
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this is what you're not gettin. honestly i could give a shit what your answer is it was asked to make you think about all the retarded shit that you believe.
Hepheastus420
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No I don't understand how you say we are wrong on how the universe was created when you don't know how the universe was created. It's like you ask me how something is done. I tell you it's this way, then you say no it's not. Then I ask how is it done then? And you say IDK I think it's this way. Well guess what I'm still gonna stick with my way until you prove to me your way is right. And the way I prove my way is right is waiting until death when we leave this world. However if you show me undeniable proof that you know how the world was created then I must reconsider my beliefs. Until then let's smoke some bowls.