the consequences of gay marriage

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Jack Fate

Jack Fate

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Padawanbater2 said:
Right over your head Mr. Fate...

To clarify, homosexuality is not a choice, just like race is not a choice.

When did you choose to be straight?

If you wanted to, could you choose to be gay and be sexually attracted to men? No? Why not? Why do you think other people somehow could?


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You avoided the point....again. If homosexual marriage is a civil rights issue then why did 70% of blacks and over 50% of Latinos in California vote it down? Explain it to us. Thanks.
 
Padawanbater2

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Jack Fate said:
You avoided the point....again. If homosexual marriage is a civil rights issue then why did 70% of blacks and over 50% of Latinos in California vote it down? Explain it to us. Thanks.
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Well, I'm not an expert in civil rights, black or Latino affairs, or homosexual affairs for that matter, but I'll give you my take on things..

I'd guess the same thing CS did, homosexuality is seen as a sin in organized religion and most people, that would include most blacks and most Latino's, are religious. Does that seem unlikely to you? That a religious person would vote against something they view as a sin?

Also things like this;

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/02/02/61260/mormons-admit-larger-role-in-californias.html
 
Carne Seca

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Jack Fate said:
So what are you? Which part of you is living on stolen land? How many white friends do you have living on stolen land? Why do you allow that? LOL Dumb ass. Give us some more of your pearls of wisdom.
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What the fuck are you even talking about? The issue is gay marriage not "stolen land." You go on more tangents than the amazon has tributaries. I was stating the fact your claim that there never was gay marriage is wrong. As most of your claims tend to be. Once again. FAIL.
 
Jack Fate

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Padawanbater2 said:
Well, I'm not an expert in civil rights, black or Latino affairs, or homosexual affairs for that matter, but I'll give you my take on things..

I'd guess the same thing CS did, homosexuality is seen as a sin in organized religion and most people, that would include most blacks and most Latino's, are religious. Does that seem unlikely to you? That a religious person would vote against something they view as a sin?

Also things like this;

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/02/02/61260/mormons-admit-larger-role-in-californias.html
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Right. So don't call it a civil rights issue when it isn't.
 
Jack Fate

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Carne Seca said:
What the fuck are you even talking about? The issue is gay marriage not "stolen land." You go on more tangents than the amazon has tributaries. I was stating the fact your claim that there never was gay marriage is wrong. As most of your claims tend to be. Once again. FAIL.
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You're the one who brought up how the white man corrupted Native Americans. Not me.
 
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My thoughts. I dont mind if gay people marry, have sex, get a civil union etc...But I do have an opinion about it. I feel marriage should be between a man and a woman personally.
I'll throw out metaphor. If I go to a restuarant that only serves turkey sandwiches and I demand that they serve me a pulled pork sandwich instead, are they in the wrong for not granting me my request even though I know they dont serve it there. They could say we dont mind if you eat pulled pork, but we are not going to provide it for you. But where are my equal rights I say? What equal rights they say. You are demanding we provide a service we have never provided before, and it is against our belief to eat pork. So even though it is against our religion to eat pork, you want us to serve it to you with a smile because you say equal rights?
Yes people might say homosexuality is not a choice, and people are born that way.....Perhaps. But if that is realy the case and we are sexual creatures to that extreme, then how could one deny that the killer instinct is not the same. Some people are born violent, and it is not their fault then commit crimes. We should just say aww man, even though that guy punched me and knocked me out, robbed me etc.. he was born that way and we should let him be. Does that seem good?
 
Carne Seca

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Your analogy leaves much to be desired. How does lunch meat equate to a civil rights violation? You invalidated your own (rather strange) analogy by invoking religion. Religious views and morals cannot and should not be legislated. This is a rule of law nation not a theocracy which is what our founding forefathers intended. There is a class of people that are not allowed the full rights of citizenship based solely on religious bias. DOMA is a violation of the constitution and should be struck down. Religion belongs at home. If you don't want gay marriage then don't marry someone who's gay. Go to church with other people that believe the way you do. But don't try to violate my rights simply because you feel it's wrong. That's a moral judgement. It has nothing to with reality, common sense, or the constitution. As I stated earlier, It's a semitic tribal taboo that has carried down through the generations. It's a vestigial useless custom that has no place in modern society. We are not nomads roaming the desert looking for the promised land. We are educated, technologically advanced, modern human beings. Believe what you want but don't force your beliefs onto me.
 
iamfishboy

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Carne Seca said:
Your analogy leaves much to be desired. How does lunch meat equate to a civil rights violation? You invalidated your own (rather strange) analogy by invoking religion. Religious views and morals cannot and should not be legislated. This is a rule of law nation not a theocracy which is what our founding forefathers intended. There is a class of people that are not allowed the full rights of citizenship based solely on religious bias. DOMA is a violation of the constitution and should be struck down. Religion belongs at home. If you don't want gay marriage then don't marry someone who's gay. Go to church with other people that believe the way you do. But don't try to violate my rights simply because you feel it's wrong. That's a moral judgement. It has nothing to with reality, common sense, or the constitution. As I stated earlier, It's a semitic tribal taboo that has carried down through the generations. It's a vestigial useless custom that has no place in modern society. We are not nomads roaming the desert looking for the promised land. We are educated, technologically advanced, modern human beings. Believe what you want but don't force your beliefs onto me.
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And that, my friends, is very well said.
Btw .....Did you know that according to a recent study, 37% of gay men say they were born that way. 14% say it was caused by environmental factors. And 49% said that they were sucked into it.....lol
 
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Doj

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I guess you missed the point. Who provides marriage services? Did they provide gay marriage before? If not, by FORCING them to do so is against THEIR rights is it not?!?(religion is irrelevant). Doing something they have never done/or wanted to do before by force is ridiculous. How you missed that analogy is beyond me. But I am not trying to start a fight. I am not a fan of religion, and do not go to church. I just dont see it as equal rights. I see it as extra rights that were never given before. Also I never once tried forcing my beliefs on to you. Read my first sentence again!

If a brother and sister want to marry is it ok legally?

People born violent, what shall we do with them?
 
UncleBuck

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iamfishboy said:
And that, my friends, is very well said.
Btw .....Did you know that according to a recent study, 37% of gay men say they were born that way. 14% say it was caused by environmental factors. And 49% said that they were sucked into it.....lol
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i'd like to see that study.

i'm pretty sure verbiage like "sucked into it" is not part of any credible scientific study.
 
UncleBuck

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Doj said:
I guess you missed the point. Who provides marriage services? Did they provide gay marriage before? If not, by FORCING them to do so is against THEIR rights is it not?!?(religion is irrelevant). Doing something they have never done/or wanted to do before by force is ridiculous.
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we could talk about your feelings on enforcing anti-miscegeny laws, if you'd like.

http://jonathanturley.org/2009/10/16/louisiana-justice-of-the-peace-refuses-to-marry-interracial-couples/

i won't even get into you comapring same-sex marriages to incest, that is just disgusting.
 
iamfishboy

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UncleBuck said:
i'd like to see that study.

i'm pretty sure verbiage like "sucked into it" is not part of any credible scientific study.
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Yeah. I know genius. It was a joke. Trying to lighten the mood. If gays want to be miserable then why shouldn't they be allowed get married?
 
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Doj

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I brought that up to see where the line is drawn. I think it totally gross.

And wtf was that link about.
 
UncleBuck

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Doj said:
I brought that up to see where the line is drawn. I think it totally gross.

And wtf was that link about.
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a county justice who refused to marry interracial couples.

i want to know if you think forcing him to marry interracial couples is against his rights.

whose rights trump whose? do the rights of the county justice to be bigoted trump the rights of the couple to obtain a marriage license?
 
nog

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i dont get it why do gay people have to get married, its as if they are not being gay, and what to do what strait people do :if you do what strait people do then you are strait?, any way what about bisexuals??
 
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