The great thermite debate.

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feff f

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NoDrama said:
While watching the video notice how they debunk the molten metal bit by saying no way could it last 6 weeks, all the while trying to explain away 1000F metal that is being cleaned up by the claw weeks afterwards as being totally possible.

this is what I am talking about when they say "molten pools". How many firemen lie about these kinds of things Doc? You must have some idea since you work with them right? Are most firemen big liars?
[video=youtube;cCdRA09pztM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdRA09pztM[/video]
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nd, if you walk into a calm, cool, perfect setting foundary.....and saw molten metal, would you be able to tell what kind of metal it is?

when copper gets hot it glows, so does steel, so does glass. could you, or better yet, a rescue squad, tell what metal it was in a controlled environment? i doubt it.

but even if you could, throw in the panic and all the rest of the crap that was going on, is it possible, just asking if its possible, could someone have said molten steel, but it was just really molten aluminum, molten plastic, moltin magma.....whatever?
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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NoDrama said:
What does this post mean? Are you trying to insinuate that 911 was really just a photoshop like that first picture?
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The first picture wasnt a photo shop
After the Kiss they walked around hand in had
You can see the Video all over Youtube
Think they photo shopped that too?
 
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NoDrama

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feff f said:
nd, if you walk into a calm, cool, perfect setting foundary.....and saw molten metal, would you be able to tell what kind of metal it is?

when copper gets hot it glows, so does steel, so does glass. could you, or better yet, a rescue squad, tell what metal it was in a controlled environment? i doubt it.

but even if you could, throw in the panic and all the rest of the crap that was going on, is it possible, just asking if its possible, could someone have said molten steel, but it was just really molten aluminum, molten plastic, moltin magma.....whatever?
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It's very easy to tell between molten aluminum and molten steel, molten aluminum retains it's reflective properties and does not glow red hot. Neither does molten plastic. There are no Volcanoes on that spot so there couldn't be Lava. What would be left?
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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NoDrama said:
It's very easy to tell between molten aluminum and molten steel, molten aluminum retains it's reflective properties and does not glow red hot. Neither does molten plastic. There are no Volcanoes on that spot so there couldn't be Lava. What would be left?
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this is all true, i just finished wielding school and al doesnt get glow red it turns black and sutty or it stays shiny with a slight milky colour to it
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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doc111 said:
Not sure how I missed this vid. Brilliant! :clap:

I'm wondering what the conspiracy folk have to say about this? I pointed out that "molten steel" doesn't prove controlled demolition and even IF thermite were used to bring the building down, it burns extremely rapidly and extremely hot. It would've burned out in seconds or perhaps minutes and would've begun to cool. It wouldn't have caused steel to still be molten weeks after the event. I'm sure this will go completely ignored much like all the other proof which has debunked many of these "conspiracies". :roll:
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jet fuel doesnt burn hot enough to make molten steel, but it would burn hot enough to weaken steal beams, but still not enough to cause an implosive crash, that takes expertise in engineering and explosives

you are simply wrong on this one, look up the highest temperatures that jet fuel in and open air environment can reach then look up the grade of steel used in that building and then look up at what temperature that that steel reaches molten state and they wont match up . . . . .
 
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feff f

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Samwell Seed Well said:
jet fuel doesnt burn hot enough to make molten steel, but it would burn hot enough to weaken steal beams, but still not enough to cause an implosive crash, that takes expertise in engineering and explosives

you are simply wrong on this one, look up the highest temperatures that jet fuel in and open air environment can reach then look up the grade of steel used in that building and then look up at what temperature that that steel reaches molten state and they wont match up . . . . .
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what temp does hydraulic fluid burn at? benzene? oxygen? titanium? large batteries? engine oil? nitrogen? seat cushions?

you do know there are a lot of other things on a plane besides jet fuel that burn right? and there were a lot of other material in the tower besides jet fuel.

the more you try to point to a controlled explosion, the more ridiculous your argument gets.
 
hazyintentions

hazyintentions

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feff f said:
what temp does hydraulic fluid burn at? benzene? oxygen? titanium? large batteries? engine oil? nitrogen? seat cushions?

you do know there are a lot of other things on a plane besides jet fuel that burn right? and there were a lot of other material in the tower besides jet fuel.

the more you try to point to a controlled explosion, the more ridiculous your argument gets.
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On the contrary. ;)
 
doc111

doc111

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Samwell Seed Well said:
jet fuel doesnt burn hot enough to make molten steel, but it would burn hot enough to weaken steal beams, but still not enough to cause an implosive crash, that takes expertise in engineering and explosives

you are simply wrong on this one, look up the highest temperatures that jet fuel in and open air environment can reach then look up the grade of steel used in that building and then look up at what temperature that that steel reaches molten state and they wont match up . . . . .
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It's just not that simple. Steel didn't have to be heated to the point of being molten, and there was more than just jet fuel that was burning. Steel starts to weaken and bend at relatively low temps.

http://rustylopez.typepad.com/newcovenant/2007/03/history_is_made.html
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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doc111 said:
It's just not that simple. Steel didn't have to be heated to the point of being molten, and there was more than just jet fuel that was burning. Steel starts to weaken and bend at relatively low temps.

http://rustylopez.typepad.com/newcovenant/2007/03/history_is_made.html
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if jet fuel cant melt steel and they wont accept that burning fires in the debris field could cause metal to melt

and that thermite not only burns super fast to take down pillars and burn super slow to keep everything melted for weeks

makes me wonder wtf we were doing all those years back with nothing more than charcoals and bellows...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age

[youtube]_uoUacPV0o8[/youtube]

2.30 mins in shows what looks to be arabs smelting iron in caves looks must be government propagander we all know that arabs cant do anything......
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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ginjawarrior said:
if jet fuel cant melt steel and they wont accept that burning fires in the debris field could cause metal to melt

and that thermite not only burns super fast to take down pillars and burn super slow to keep everything melted for weeks

makes me wonder wtf we were doing all those years back with nothing more than charcoals and bellows...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age

[youtube]_uoUacPV0o8[/youtube]

2.30 mins in shows what looks to be arabs smelting iron in caves looks must be government propagander we all know that arabs cant do anything......
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Shhhhhhh
The Tin Foil hat crowd is going to get angry at you
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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dukeanthony said:
Shhhhhhh
The Tin Foil hat crowd is going to get angry at you
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i wouldnt be suprised...

cant yu see its obvious that video was put together by the same people responsible for obama's announcement for his birth in hawai

its evidence they were planning 911 for over 50 years...
 
doc111

doc111

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NoDrama said:
While watching the video notice how they debunk the molten metal bit by saying no way could it last 6 weeks, all the while trying to explain away 1000F metal that is being cleaned up by the claw weeks afterwards as being totally possible.

this is what I am talking about when they say "molten pools". How many firemen lie about these kinds of things Doc? You must have some idea since you work with them right? Are most firemen big liars?
[video=youtube;cCdRA09pztM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdRA09pztM[/video]
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Never said anybody lied. Mistaken????? Now THAT is highly possible!;-)
 
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NoDrama

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doc111 said:
Never said anybody lied. Mistaken????? Now THAT is highly possible!;-)
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I could see one new inexperienced firefighter not knowing, but a whole company with hundreds of years of experience? I think Mistaken is probably the lowest chance.
 
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NoDrama

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ginjawarrior said:
if jet fuel cant melt steel and they wont accept that burning fires in the debris field could cause metal to melt

and that thermite not only burns super fast to take down pillars and burn super slow to keep everything melted for weeks

makes me wonder wtf we were doing all those years back with nothing more than charcoals and bellows...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age

[youtube]_uoUacPV0o8[/youtube]

2.30 mins in shows what looks to be arabs smelting iron in caves looks must be government propagander we all know that arabs cant do anything......
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How much Charcoal was in the towers? How many people were moving bellows up and down in the tower to create the kind of heat necessary for steel encased in Asbestos to soften? Charcoal burns at 2700C (4900F), your gonna try and tell me that there were things in that tower that get as hot as charcoal? All the jet fuel burned off within 10 minutes. It is impossible to heat that amount of steel up to a softening point in 10 minutes, especially when covered in something that is one of the best insulators known to man.
 
doc111

doc111

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NoDrama said:
How much Charcoal was in the towers? How many people were moving bellows up and down in the tower to create the kind of heat necessary for steel encased in Asbestos to soften? Charcoal burns at 2700C (4900F), your gonna try and tell me that there were things in that tower that get as hot as charcoal? All the jet fuel burned off within 10 minutes. It is impossible to heat that amount of steel up to a softening point in 10 minutes, especially when covered in something that is one of the best insulators known to man.
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Was jetfuel the only thing burning in those towers?:o
 
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