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[Kaptain Kron]

this is so damn true man LOL, im running a single kessil right now and a 240 watt blackstar combined of 156 watts i should pull 6 ounces or so if this AO ever fills out. Damn shit is on day 45 and still barely filling. Looks like fluff balls still u see on ur lawn that u used to blow on when u were a kid. But off the same LED setup i've pulled almost a half and with a slightly different combo of kessil to blackstar led's i've pulled over a half p but i think that was around 180 watts or somthing. Not bad. But, NOT ENOUGH YET!! This is my first waterfarm run and my first true scrog run and i shoulda used a metal screen my string had too much flex in it so my center is a lil crammed and some lights bein blocked however im imressed with the penetration of the lights still. Not sure y but im still happy with it, just frustrated my canopy isnt more spread out. LEDs have me trippin right now though cause its such a late filling strain anyways. Its hard to not think the led's are fuckin with me but i know in reality they really are probably not, but that being said. If it fills in the way i want it to i should have a good 6 ounces and at least a qp i would hope. Damn summer time rapes so hard with heat out here i cant afford to run HPS during summer, and i can BARELY afford it during winter, im torn between grabbing a new 600 ballast and bulb or grabbing another LED panel. Smarts $ says the panel but the problem with that is if for some wild ass reason it doesnt yeild what i need it to im fucked fucked hard, because its so damn expensive for the panel that i could afford a 600 and pay power for 2 months. But it fucks me for heat and it fucks me for power being high all the time and i can BARELY afford that. If one thing goes haywire i could be fucked badly because i wont have money to fix an emergency problem. Oh dilemas and decisions.

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

this is so damn true man LOL, im running a single kessil right now and a 240 watt blackstar combined of 156 watts i should pull 6 ounces or so if this AO ever fills out. Damn shit is on day 45 and still barely filling. Looks like fluff balls still u see on ur lawn that u used to blow on when u were a kid. But off the same LED setup i've pulled almost a half and with a slightly different combo of kessil to blackstar led's i've pulled over a half p but i think that was around 180 watts or somthing. Not bad. But, NOT ENOUGH YET!! This is my first waterfarm run and my first true scrog run and i shoulda used a metal screen my string had too much flex in it so my center is a lil crammed and some lights bein blocked however im imressed with the penetration of the lights still. Not sure y but im still happy with it, just frustrated my canopy isnt more spread out. LEDs have me trippin right now though cause its such a late filling strain anyways. Its hard to not think the led's are fuckin with me but i know in reality they really are probably not, but that being said. If it fills in the way i want it to i should have a good 6 ounces and at least a qp i would hope. Damn summer time rapes so hard with heat out here i cant afford to run HPS during summer, and i can BARELY afford it during winter, im torn between grabbing a new 600 ballast and bulb or grabbing another LED panel. Smarts $ says the panel but the problem with that is if for some wild ass reason it doesnt yeild what i need it to im fucked fucked hard, because its so damn expensive for the panel that i could afford a 600 and pay power for 2 months. But it fucks me for heat and it fucks me for power being high all the time and i can BARELY afford that. If one thing goes haywire i could be fucked badly because i wont have money to fix an emergency problem. Oh dilemas and decisions.

I had a yeild of 4.5 oz with a 100w hps.. ive had yeilds of between 8-9 oz with a 250w hps.. LED's one day will be more cost efective but we a still a ways off.. right now for the avg home grower its a waste of time imo.. 250's are pretty easy to cool and a good starter light.. it will also pay for your entire setup first grow...

 

[Kaptain Kron]

um scotty im sorry man but a 250 is not gonna cut it my leds do better than that lol. lets not talk about that in this thread though. If i go HPS im going 600 or im not doing it at all. LED's make more sense for small grows and thats where im at right now because i cant afford the power yet on the 600 consistantly. If i went to a 250 hps it would fuck me just as hard because im now spending more money for the same yeild im getting. The strain im growin is just pissin me off cause its such a late filler.

On a more important note thanks for your help with the water farm man i wouldnt be doin it without followin this thread for as long as i have. My choice of lights has more to do with my financial and space situation than anything else.

thanks for sharin the knowledge scotty.

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

um scotty im sorry man but a 250 is not gonna cut it my leds do better than that lol. lets not talk about that in this thread though. If i go HPS im going 600 or im not doing it at all. LED's make more sense for small grows and thats where im at right now because i cant afford the power yet on the 600 consistantly. If i went to a 250 hps it would fuck me just as hard because im now spending more money for the same yeild im getting. The strain im growin is just pissin me off cause its such a late filler.

On a more important note thanks for your help with the water farm man i wouldnt be doin it without followin this thread for as long as i have. My choice of lights has more to do with my financial and space situation than anything else.

thanks for sharin the knowledge scotty.

No problem I saw you were wanting at least 6oz Im not sure what your final goal is but your running 240w + 156w = 396w For 3 more watts you could be yeilding up to 10-15oz or -156w and yield around 8-9 oz. Im baked so im probly missing somthing..

But I will warn you if you decide on a 600w hps is a motherfucker to try to keep cool unless you water cool.. wich is tits but expensive..

 

[Kaptain Kron]

my 240w led only pulls from the socket 133 watts and my kessil only pulls 36 im using under 200 watts and getting six ounces on the regular, its this strain im running pissin me off with its odd filling habits.

600 isnt that hard to cool where im at luckily and i'd only be using it during the winter at night when i can pull ASS cold 45 degree air over my bulb. But yea they are a bitch to cool. But im lookin at a 250 hps right now since im so close to it in power, if i can get one dirty cheap ill compare it to my led setup but i HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt im going to yeild less because this single 240 led made my 400 look like a joke. But that was before i was dialed in. So still testing things but i know im good for six ounces with what i have FOR SURE. Just is the plant going to give it to me...

thanks scotty

 

[mr2shim]

my 240w led only pulls from the socket 133 watts and my kessil only pulls 36 im using under 200 watts and getting six ounces on the regular, its this strain im running pissin me off with its odd filling habits.

600 isnt that hard to cool where im at luckily and i'd only be using it during the winter at night when i can pull ASS cold 45 degree air over my bulb. But yea they are a bitch to cool. But im lookin at a 250 hps right now since im so close to it in power, if i can get one dirty cheap ill compare it to my led setup but i HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt im going to yeild less because this single 240 led made my 400 look like a joke. But that was before i was dialed in. So still testing things but i know im good for six ounces with what i have FOR SURE. Just is the plant going to give it to me...

thanks scotty

so you're saying your 240w led does better than the 400w hps?

 

[Kaptain Kron]

when i was pulling 6 ounces with my 400 yea it fuckin blew it out the water with speed of veg and quality of nug. Now that im dialed in i think its more closer to about a 300w hps. If i had a 400w right now i know id pull at least 10-12 ounces. quality will still be slightly lower only due to lower UV count of the HPS but if i supplemented a uv bulb it would negate that completely and quality would be equal, led's yeild just less, however i spent less than half of what i would have spent to pull that with an HPS so there is advantages it just depends on how much you have to pull a run and right now im lookin at needing more lights period end of story, my 400w hps isnt going to cut it either. I need a 600w or i need more panels and this time im going with GLH instead of blackstar long story not neccesarily for this thread. LED's have their place, but you have to weigh certain things. Right now i think its going to barely do what i need but if i can get a 250 hps for like a bill and test it next run versus the led's see what does better ill have a good idea on how to size my next cab and a few other things. I still need hps power even though im rockin LED's its just comin to the point where i have to ask myself if its even worth it anymore for the larger scale to run HPS now that GLH has come out with these new panels and kessil has their H350's out, pricey yes but they fuckin destroy in the grow room, and they dont eat my pocket book on a monthly basis just once.

Anyways lets not turn this into HPSvLED in here lol

 

[ironheadxl]

as long as I can have enough smoke between grows I don't care if elves come out at night and shine flashlights on it.

 

[Kaptain Kron]

rofl i think you might care about the flashlights, lol it would herm your shit, but the elves they can smoke up as long as they dont burn too much lol

 

[AWnox]

Paul Smith.....the first post you make on this board is a personal attack on another forum member, a member you do not know, and in a super awesome informative thread in which Serapis did nothing but answer peoples questions and try and help. Only those that kept asking the same questions or questioned the information he gave got a snap back answer, and rightly so!
I have compressed this whole thread into a .pdf and yet people still posted asking for asnwers that could be found by spending a bit of time reading. Its peoples laziness and spoon feeding attitude that pisses off seasoned growers here.

So how dare you come in here and insult another member!?

You know where the door is...
TD

I have read through all of this thread and if I may say so, this thread along with many other on RIU have helped out tremendously. Thank you very much for your collaboration. BTW where can I find that pdf file pof this thread ? It would be so helpful If I can print it out and use once I start my first waterfarm. Please any info would be highly appreciated. Thanks and best regards!

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

I have read through all of this thread and if I may say so, this thread along with many other on RIU have helped out tremendously. Thank you very much for your collaboration. BTW where can I find that pdf file pof this thread ? It would be so helpful If I can print it out and use once I start my first waterfarm. Please any info would be highly appreciated. Thanks and best regards!

This what your looking for? https://viewer.zoho.com/docs/rZH0i

 

[AWnox]

This what your looking for? https://viewer.zoho.com/docs/rZH0i

SCOTTYBALLS! From the legend none the less. Thank you very much. This will helped me out tremendously in my first hydro adventure. Needless to say you were a great part of the inspiration to venture away from soil. This way it makes it much easier to have something as a reference. Thanks again for sharing.

 

[ironheadxl]

yep that is one helpful link I refer to it almost daily right now. My PE has 9 tops developing in veg at week 7 and after this grow its off to get more water farms. Pure inspiration Scottyballs, I'll pour ya a good beer if we ever meet.

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

yep that is one helpful link I refer to it almost daily right now. My PE has 9 tops developing in veg at week 7 and after this grow its off to get more water farms. Pure inspiration Scottyballs, I'll pour ya a good beer if we ever meet.

Glad I can help.. Ill take a budlight lime.. Im a cheap drunk

 

[mrbonk10]

hey scotty was wondering if you use co2?? thanks

 

[Kaptain Kron]

oh man scotty this run was all bad, i got teh root rots like a mofo lol. My agent orange got stunted to holy hell at least in nug production i had TONS of what looked to be poopers only they never filled in, because my rootball was GONE on the bottom half of the waterfarm fuckin root rot.... My nug is frostier than balls though. Check my sig for the thread, im going to update in a bit, they dont look big or pretty but god damn do they smell like mad and FROSTY FROSTY FROSTY. Talk about needin odor control

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

hey scotty was wondering if you use co2?? thanks

No co2 othern then me breathing all over it when Im dazed looking at the budz

 

[scooby83]

great thread i cant recommand farms enough i use the aqua farm its a bigger version but i always get massive plants
they really are the dogs nuts farms are ive got 4 uk cheese from seed in one farm and there like 6 weeks into flower the buds are massive the biggest plant is taller than me and im 6ft2

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

great thread i cant recommand farms enough i use the aqua farm its a bigger version but i always get massive plants
they really are the dogs nuts farms are ive got 4 uk cheese from seed in one farm and there like 6 weeks into flower the buds are massive the biggest plant is taller than me and im 6ft2

Yup Ive had some 6 footers back when head room was not a issue.. you should try to scrog next time huge diffrence in yeild..

 

[scooby83]

Yup Ive had some 6 footers back when head room was not a issue.. you should try to scrog next time huge diffrence in yeild..

been thinking the same thing myself of late
been doing a little researh on that very subject my next ones gonna be strawberry cheesecake using scrog i my be able to beat my 14oz record who no's