Frosty Nugz!!! hehe

matthebrute

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yeah next year im doing some auto flowers so i can let them flower for as long as they need, i had to chop early cuz of rot and it sucked. the rot wasnt from the frost tho it was probally due to the 12 days of rain we had.
 

poplars

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That's why I cannot do in-ground sativas for the most part, once that first freeze hits you have to chop.
actually if you breed them in your area several generations, they WILL evolve to grow through a couple minor frosts... OR they will learn to flower earlier... it's not if, it's when.

this is knowledge I got from my buddy/grow friend he's an older dude but mad cool, together we bring new and traditional knowledge together, climatization was one of those things that came from his traditional knowledge from growing in humboldt county from the 70s to the 90s, then he moved over to just down the road from me.

if you expose the male and female to the climate, allow them to make some seeds (you can of course control this whole process if you want to, keep the male separate, collect the pollen in a jar, seal it get a paint brush and paint it on to one of the buds.)

when you grow those next seeds, you will notice they handle the weather in general better, they will be less stressed in general. its possible they will flower earlier the first generation, I don't think you will see frost resistance for atleast 4 or 5 generations, but it will happen eventually.

I feel like this is almost lost knowledge, because when I try to talk to people about it they look at me like I'm an idiot.

and it's getting really old:|

I mean I've seen climatization do major things after just ONE generation, just think about what it could do after 4? just some food for thought here. I don't want this knowledge to be lost...




also the main reason people don't know about this now is because climatization doesn't really happen indoors, you might notice a strain grows better and better each year you breed it under a hPS, this is climatization, but most don't call it that, they just call it the strain getting better, selective breeding, to an extent it definitely is that... but people forget that cannabis is incredibly polymorphic, which means it evolves ridiculously faster than most other plants, each generation matters a lot.


and it's also quite possible that the climatization outdoors is not only more effective because of the insane amount of dynamics happening that are unmatchable indoors, but the plant must stay outdoors 3-4x longer than indoor plants usually.


all things to think about, kind of going beyond the throttle here for a frost thread but hey might as well.
 

husalife

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yeah next year im doing some auto flowers so i can let them flower for as long as they need, i had to chop early cuz of rot and it sucked. the rot wasnt from the frost tho it was probally due to the 12 days of rain we had.
Man it wont be the last time you have to cut a little early due to rot / mold if you continue to grow outdoors.

Just part of the game, you win some, you loose some. But each year you will be better equipped to deal with the bull shit.
 

matthebrute

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actually if you breed them in your area several generations, they WILL evolve to grow through a couple minor frosts... OR they will learn to flower earlier... it's not if, it's when.

this is knowledge I got from my buddy/grow friend he's an older dude but mad cool, together we bring new and traditional knowledge together, climatization was one of those things that came from his traditional knowledge from growing in humboldt county from the 70s to the 90s, then he moved over to just down the road from me.

if you expose the male and female to the climate, allow them to make some seeds (you can of course control this whole process if you want to, keep the male separate, collect the pollen in a jar, seal it get a paint brush and paint it on to one of the buds.)

when you grow those next seeds, you will notice they handle the weather in general better, they will be less stressed in general. its possible they will flower earlier the first generation, I don't think you will see frost resistance for atleast 4 or 5 generations, but it will happen eventually.

I feel like this is almost lost knowledge, because when I try to talk to people about it they look at me like I'm an idiot.

and it's getting really old:|

I mean I've seen climatization do major things after just ONE generation, just think about what it could do after 4? just some food for thought here. I don't want this knowledge to be lost...




also the main reason people don't know about this now is because climatization doesn't really happen indoors, you might notice a strain grows better and better each year you breed it under a hPS, this is climatization, but most don't call it that, they just call it the strain getting better, selective breeding, to an extent it definitely is that... but people forget that cannabis is incredibly polymorphic, which means it evolves ridiculously faster than most other plants, each generation matters a lot.


and it's also quite possible that the climatization outdoors is not only more effective because of the insane amount of dynamics happening that are unmatchable indoors, but the plant must stay outdoors 3-4x longer than indoor plants usually.


all things to think about, kind of going beyond the throttle here for a frost thread but hey might as well.
+ rep man good information.

i do have 1 question tho, when you want to climitize for the frost do you have to let the female get hit with a frost BEFORE you pollinate? or let the male get hit by a frost before you collect the pollen?
 

matthebrute

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Man it wont be the last time you have to cut a little early due to rot / mold if you continue to grow outdoors.

Just part of the game, you win some, you loose some. But each year you will be better equipped to deal with the bull shit.
all in all i made out well for my first grow, check out my thread https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/474182-chop-chop.html

for first time grow and not really doing dick to my plants i think i made out really good. i spent maybe 50 bucks over the summer on these plants.
 

poplars

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+ rep man good information.

i do have 1 question tho, when you want to climitize for the frost do you have to let the female get hit with a frost BEFORE you pollinate? or let the male get hit by a frost before you collect the pollen?
nope just pollinate it when you can, the plant should pass on the information to the seed as it developes, this is probably up for much debate though...


the problem is by the time you reach frost you will not have time to develope seeds, so you gotta have the plants pollinated while they are still in preflowering.

I'm pretty sure the genetics do pass on, because plants that were pollinated by males that were outdoors all before frost, end up flowering earlier the next generation, and handling frosts better.
 

Sunbiz1

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actually if you breed them in your area several generations, they WILL evolve to grow through a couple minor frosts... OR they will learn to flower earlier... it's not if, it's when.

this is knowledge I got from my buddy/grow friend he's an older dude but mad cool, together we bring new and traditional knowledge together, climatization was one of those things that came from his traditional knowledge from growing in humboldt county from the 70s to the 90s, then he moved over to just down the road from me.

if you expose the male and female to the climate, allow them to make some seeds (you can of course control this whole process if you want to, keep the male separate, collect the pollen in a jar, seal it get a paint brush and paint it on to one of the buds.)

when you grow those next seeds, you will notice they handle the weather in general better, they will be less stressed in general. its possible they will flower earlier the first generation, I don't think you will see frost resistance for atleast 4 or 5 generations, but it will happen eventually.

I feel like this is almost lost knowledge, because when I try to talk to people about it they look at me like I'm an idiot.

and it's getting really old:|

I mean I've seen climatization do major things after just ONE generation, just think about what it could do after 4? just some food for thought here. I don't want this knowledge to be lost...




also the main reason people don't know about this now is because climatization doesn't really happen indoors, you might notice a strain grows better and better each year you breed it under a hPS, this is climatization, but most don't call it that, they just call it the strain getting better, selective breeding, to an extent it definitely is that... but people forget that cannabis is incredibly polymorphic, which means it evolves ridiculously faster than most other plants, each generation matters a lot.


and it's also quite possible that the climatization outdoors is not only more effective because of the insane amount of dynamics happening that are unmatchable indoors, but the plant must stay outdoors 3-4x longer than indoor plants usually.


all things to think about, kind of going beyond the throttle here for a frost thread but hey might as well.
This was a great read, thanks for sharing. It also explains why my second generation projects always seem to be of better quality than the original mother. Now you have me thinking about trying Colombian gold, which I love but have been avoiding. That's what I grew up on, even back in the 70's it was pricey.
 

matthebrute

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nope just pollinate it when you can, the plant should pass on the information to the seed as it developes, this is probably up for much debate though...


the problem is by the time you reach frost you will not have time to develope seeds, so you gotta have the plants pollinated while they are still in preflowering.

I'm pretty sure the genetics do pass on, because plants that were pollinated by males that were outdoors all before frost, end up flowering earlier the next generation, and handling frosts better.
i just know as far as genetics go and passing on traits the male and the female pass on a certain genetic code to the seed its a done deal, they cant take it back and reconfigure it.
i dont doubt that your right and that plants adapt to thier enviorment, but without knowing what to adapt to when passing on the traits.....see where im going with this?

not sure if i have a valid argument here (not that im trying to argue)
 

poplars

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i just know as far as genetics go and passing on traits the male and the female pass on a certain genetic code to the seed its a done deal, they cant take it back and reconfigure it.
i dont doubt that your right and that plants adapt to thier enviorment, but without knowing what to adapt to when passing on the traits.....see where im going with this?

not sure if i have a valid argument here (not that im trying to argue)
well maybe the plant uses a sort of estimation type system....

when you pollinate it in pre-flower, it passes on the possible sense that maybe it should have flowered earlier, or that maybe the season would be more advantageous if it did flower earlier, etc..

I don't know how it works, I just know that it does work, somehow.


however, as far as frost resistence, you can always expose the seedlings to a few LIGHT frosts, 32 degrees, for 2-3 hours at a time,

this would most definitely ingrain it in the strain to start turning on the frost resistant genes(or start working to evolve them.)
 

Sunbiz1

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well maybe the plant uses a sort of estimation type system....

when you pollinate it in pre-flower, it passes on the possible sense that maybe it should have flowered earlier, or that maybe the season would be more advantageous if it did flower earlier, etc..

I don't know how it works, I just know that it does work, somehow.


however, as far as frost resistence, you can always expose the seedlings to a few LIGHT frosts, 32 degrees, for 2-3 hours at a time,

this would most definitely ingrain it in the strain to start turning on the frost resistant genes(or start working to evolve them.)
When you mention seedlings, how young should/can we do this?.
 

Sunbiz1

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I'd do it when they're at the 4th or 5th node, make sure they got atleast half gal pots. need atleast a decent amount of soil to protect the roots.
I think I'll try this for my Winter indoor grow on a mother...perfect time of year for it.
 
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