Mr. Nice SSH or Sannies?

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
First of all....Dude you DON'T know me, but I will clear you assumptions up...The only reason I know of Green House Seed Company is because I went to the Attitude looking for seeds. Unlike you and a few others I don't dick ride a company just because what a person or two did at a company. All that bullshit about who "created" this or that means a hill of beans to me. A breed is just another breeder. I mean how hard is it to put to strains together and make a new/different strain? You're talking this non sense about philosophy and attitude? All that means NOTHING to a grower! Either their seeds are good or they are not.

It's amazing that you and a few other think this company is "the" breeder when they don't even offer FEMINIZED seeds. Hell, even KC Brains offers FEMINIZED seeds now, but Mr. Nice is suppose to be "all that".

1. What does this guy going to jail have to do with me buying and growing his seeds. Anyone here at RIU forums can get busted at anytime so this guy is no better than anyone of us. You are just as silly as they people that think 50 cent is "gangsta" just because he got shot before.

2. That circle did not do anything that would have been done eventually. You act as if these guys are "gods" CREATING something that wasn't in nature already.

3. Who cares what Shantibaba created. Some guy created the iron along time ago, but look how the iron has been IMPROVED. Their are digital irons with auto shut off and etc. Should we dick ride that made the first iron while others have taken the invention and made it BETTER? I guess we all must agree that FORD makes the "best" cars since they were the first to make one. Get the fuck outta hea'.

4. Dude, their are other companies that sell inxepensive seeds. Look at KC Brains. You can get a pack of 10 seeds for 10.99 Euro. The cheapest Mr. Nice seeds you can get at the attitude is a pack of 18 Walkabouts for 20.99 Euro. Everything after that is 30.99 Euros or more. How is that great value? 30.99 for REGULAR seeds? No one knows what ratio you will get of female/male plants. I'd much rather spend 14-17 Euros for 5 FEMINIZED seeds first. Green House offers Super Bud, Exodus Cheese, and etc, for cheaper. Female Seed Company offers White Widow, Pure AK, and etc. for roughly 14-15 Euros for FEMINIZED seeds!

PDF file? Are you serious? Green House Seeds offer more information than Mr. Nice. They have a catalog....VIDEO GROWS.....They even show you how to germinate their seeds for those that don't much about growing. They also GUANRANTEE that their seed will germinate or they will REPLACE them. Female Seeds offer the same GUANRANTEE. I had a issue with a few Female Seeds Co strains and they shipped me replacements eventhough I bought my seeds from The Attitude. FMS don't usually ship to the US, but they did for me. Does Mr. Nice offer the same customer service? I hope so. I got my Mr. Nice seeds today and if all of them don't germinate then I will want them replaced....
Bump.. the important thing about the early breeders like at Mr Nice is this: It's not just that they and some others "did it first", but that if someone wants to buy, for instance, White Widow that won the prizes in the early 90s, only Mr Nice has it, since Shantibaba found the parents, hybridized them and has exclusively held onto them. For white widow (called black widow by Mr Nice) to still be offered, the original parents must be kept alive, which takes dedication and maybe some luck. When one is lost that will be the end of white widow seeds. You cannot recreate the hybrid from the F2's (children) of a WW plant, thus it's impossible for another seed bank to offer actual white widow seeds, unless they got access to the parents.
The same can be said for Super Silver Haze since Nevil Shoenmaker (sp?) specifically developed parent lines which now no one else has access to, refined lines of NL, skunk, haze etc. Being first has advantages in this business, or actually getting out in the field like Reeferman was known for, or Mike and Jasmine of Mandala seeds, or Ace breeders, and a few other. Pretenders obviously everywhere copying popular strain names but not the strains.
Have you lost your mind? Mr Nice and others that are true breeders don't offer Feminized seeds b/c they are a junk and may one day ruin the gene pool. You need a male and a female to have true breeding genetics. The fact that you even wrote that shows me your lack of research and knowledge of cannabis. If anything not offering FEM seeds show's the dedication and commitment they have to Cannabis. Why people pay more for Feminized (herminized as far as I'm concerned) crap seeds as opposed to Reg (true breeding) seeds I will never understand. You need to show a little more respect to the people who went out of their way to create the strains we know today, as just about every single strain today has lineage from Mr. Nice and crew. To the OP personally I would get some Mr. Nice seeds, but have heard good things about Sannies.

A quote from Subcool of TGA Seeds (who also doesn't sell feminized seeds).

Source:
https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/44686-subcools-super-soil-106.html#post5341900
I'm sorry. I didn't realize this conversation was still going on or I would've responded a long time ago instead of starting a 3 month old fight again.

You guys are being nicer than I am that's for sure, but you shouldn't waste your time. His three reply rant to my statements has proven more to me about his little mind-state than any real conversation would.
You think that feminized seeds proves something? Laughable.
Nevil (and a lot of other less famous breeders) was working on feminzied seeds in the 80's, before they were even given the fancy marketing moniker of "feminized" and they were just called "selfed" you twat. And for the record sport, they're offering test seeds of the medical line they're working on (Z series), and you have the option of getting them feminized.
I could go on breaking down you silly little argument pal, but the shit you say is so ignorant that any seasoned head can tell your just a fool. I don't really need to argue with you. Your words are my argument.
What happened btw, where's these smoke reports anyways?
Did the mango haze blow your mind? It's one of the best smokes in the world. Sister of Super Silver Haze.
Can't stand being wrong can you?:lol::grin:

And in case you didn't know, Reeferman was a leader in the KKK. Not just a member. ONE OF THEIR LEADERS.
Unless you like to associate with the KKK also?
That's why company philosophy is important little boy, when you don't know who you're buying seeds from, you end up supporting the KKK or assholes like Marc Emery.
pmsl
 
Since everyone in here is talking about breeding history, but left out an important part. Before Nevill, or Shanti or any of those others was Wernard Bruining http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2575.html. He was the one that came to the US and learned about Sensi growing in California, and when he went back to Holland he took with him the basis for much of those strains you guys are talking about.(in the 60s)

He founded the first pot shops and seed banks; Mellow Yellow, and Positronics.
 

boneheadbob

Well-Known Member
We are noobs because we don't give a damn about the drama that you and a few others care about. Dude, I smoke and I grow. I don't care about the history of Green house or any of the names you "dropped". Only bitches worry about shit like that. I only care about getting good seeds and good smoke. Could careless about them advocating. Are you serious? I swear some of you make me laugh so damn hard. FYI, the only "KING" of Cannibis is God so have a cup of STFU dude. You sound so silly. People have been smoke Ganja for THOUSANDS of years....People didn't need Mr. Nice to get high pal. Grow up and get a life! One guy nor a group guys can ever be the "king" of cannabis? To think so shows just how idiotic your thinking is.
Both sides make good points but this is great
"Only bitches worry about that shit"
 

Brick Top

New Member
1) Howard Marks, owner of Mr. Nice and the guy on the logo, is a convicted marijuana smuggler. He's a weed activist and true blue stoner. He doesn't hide behind the "medicating" shield. He says he smokes to get high.
Howard Marks (Mr. Nice) is not the owner of Mr. Nice Seeds. That is a common error for many to make due to his name and affiliation with Mr. Nice Seeds. Scott Blakey, known as Shantibaba, is the owner and originator of Mr. Nice Seeds.



3) Shantibaba, a breeder for Mr. Nice, is responsible for creating White Widow, White Russian and what is popularly know as "Great White Shark"[/QUOTE]

Shantibaba does breed, but he is not "a breeder for Mr. Nice," as in he only works for Mr. Nice Seeds. He is a breeder at his own business.


Mr Nice Seedbank: Shantibaba explains what happened when a Welshman, two Australian cannabis breeders, and the best selection of old and new world cannabis varieties shared a small room.
Howard Marks (Mr Nice) and I (Shantibaba) met during the late 1990's while I was living and working in Holland. A few years previously (1995), I had set up the Greenhouse Seed Company. Coincidentally, at the same time, Howard was released from a lengthy imprisonment in the USA. During the next few years, we became very good friends and with the success of my breeding work and help from Neville Schoenmaker (the father of Dutch Seed banks), Howard and I discussed the possibility of working together. We decided to start a seed company to help growers throughout the world. Neville and I were already working together on various seed projects, growing and supplying certain strains to coffee shops as well as changing the uses and perceptions of cannabis.
In 1998, when Neville co-owned the Greenhouse coffeeshop in the Red Light Area, and I co-owned and worked the Greenhouse Seed co (since establishing it in 1994)...we decided to really try that year to do our best at the HTCC. Until then, Neville and I, operating as individuals, had won almost every prize awarded for cannabis breeding. On behalf of Greenhouse, we blitzed the 1998 HTCC, winning every prize other than that awarded for clothing. We came first and second in the overall HTCC. I did not particularly like the event so decided to retire from it that year. Coincidentally my relationship with my Dutch partner deteriorated, and egos went crazy. As a result, I sold my interest in the Greenhouse Seed Company and, as a sole trader, set up Mr Nice Seedbank (MNS), which has always been and remains a Dutch company. Shortly afterwards, Neville also forego his interest in Greenhouse. MNS never entrusted plants to non-growers, including our ex-Dutch partners. Inevitably, confusion results when different companies use the same names for different sub-species, so MNS renamed them all. Seed companies' most valuable assets are the original mother and father plants, which take many years to collect and select. Every seed company uses strains from particular parts of the world, but they differ greatly. MNS uses a collection of both Neville and Shantibaba's plants, the most pedigreed cannabis plants ever bred. We established MNS, with its forty parent plants, to make strains and seeds available to all levels of growers in order to help them help us spread the genetic diversity of this miraculous plant.

Rather than joining any seed companies' bandwagon by merely chasing money, Neville, Howard, and I dedicated our efforts to make old and new world seeds available for growers. We did not care how many seeds we sold or whether we had a profile in the limelight. We are daily users of cannabis, and the mother and father plants Neville and I have kept alive for the last twenty years are capable of producing every currently existing strain.
In 1999, Dutch law changed and no longer permitted the production of seeds. Due to the Dutch gedogen law, however, selling seed imported from another country remained legal. We wanted to fulfil our project without breaking any country's laws. Accordingly, MNS moved its growing operations to Switzerland, where the law permits growing cannabis for seed production. Many Dutch seed companies lost plants, mother rooms, and seed crops, but in Switzerland, MNS seed production blossomed.

Neville remained in Holland and continued to produce seeds and refine breeding techniques. Howard pursued his cannabis legalisation agenda by writing articles, books, and doing stand up shows. I established Gene Bank Technology in the Swiss canton of Ticino, producing strains and seeds for other companies, as well as furthering the use of cannabis as a medicine and producing unique flower essential oils for the cosmetic industry. All went well, with Ticino eventually playing host to the legally permitted establishment of over seventy growing shops and countless farms producing seeds. The Swiss authorities regularly inspected the premises and the activities taking place, tenaciously collecting any taxes due. Then suddenly, in 2003, without any hint of a warning, a Ticino based Prosecutor launched Operation Indoor, an avalanche of arrests, closures and headlines. The Ticino authorities seized GBT, shut it down, and imprisoned scores of innocent people. To this day, a state of confusion exists in Switzerland as cantons interpret Swiss law whichever way the local politicians want. I received a two-year term of imprisonment in Ticino. (However, I still have all the mother and father plants.) Only a handful of other seed producers have faced the courts, and hundreds of cases remain unresolved.
The lack of union and cooperation among the various seed companies and the consequent frustration for the grower is an unfortunate aspect of this particular industry. To overcome the problem MNS has consistently maintained a visible presence on various helpdesks, directly interacting, testing, and researching with the growers of its products. Some other seed companies do the same. This site is an attempt to set an appropriate standard, and MNS hopes to bring to the seed industry other like-minded companies from all different sections of this sub culture. Our sincere aim is to help people, wherever they are, who have worked or intend to work with any MNS product. I will monitor the site with the explicit intention of promoting interaction and constructive criticism among growers of all levels. It will become an online archive and an educational site for anyone who visits. The site will not be selling seeds or dispatching them but will, if asked, provide links to those interested in this aspect. Live and let live will be the central theme flowing through the MNS site, so please join in if you have something to share or ask. You are all welcome.

http://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/history.php
 

Brick Top

New Member
It's amazing that you and a few other think this company is "the" breeder when they don't even offer FEMINIZED seeds. Hell, even KC Brains offers FEMINIZED seeds now, but Mr. Nice is suppose to be "all that".
Shantibaba does not make feminized seeds because feminized seeds are a gimmick. Shantibaba does not go in for gimmicks or the easy buck. Feminized seeds are more hermie prone than regular seeds, but they draw the noobies like shit draws flies because they think they will be getting stable 100% FEMALE seeds, so that is why places like Green House Seeds went all feminized. Easy money from those who do not know much, if anything at all, about genetics.

Due to lost sales, because those who do not know better think feminized seeds are the way to go, some better breeders who resisted taking the feminized seed route were driven to do so in an attempt to regain their lost market-share. Shantibaba's gear is so high quality that he does not have to do that. Much of his line is out of stock much of the time on any seedbank you go to. His gear sells like hotcakes because of it's quality. He doesn't need to lessen his quality and rely on gimmicks to sell out his gear quickly.

If you actually believe that making feminized seeds is a sign of a good and skilled professional breeder you have a great deal to learn about cannabis genetics. The more someone learns about cannabis genetics the more and more they will want to stay as far away as possible from feminized seeds.
 

Brick Top

New Member
And in case you didn't know, Reeferman was a leader in the KKK. Not just a member. ONE OF THEIR LEADERS.
Charles Scott, known as Reeferman, was a white supremacist, not a member of the KKK or a leader of the KKK. Charles Scott (Reeferman) was the Canadian leader of the racist Church of Christ in Israel.
 

Brick Top

New Member
He founded the first pot shops and seed banks; Mellow Yellow, and Positronics.
Sacred Seeds/Cultivator’s Choice, The Seed Bank, Super Sativa Seed Club (SSSC), Lowlands Weed/Seed Company were also among the early seedbanks and are all in the seedbank hall of fame.

But they, at least in part, existed because of what others did earlier.

In the United States, hippie folklore places the beginnings of American cannabis breeding for seeds in the early 1960s. Later, the smuggling organization known as the Brotherhood of Eternal Love brought cannabis seeds back from Afghanistan, Nepal and other stops on the Hippie Trail.

Around that same time, the Dutch Provos opened the Afrikaanse Druk Store in Amsterdam and began selling buds as well as distributing cannabis plants for one guilder per plant (at that time, the equivalent of 30 cents). A few years later, Wernard Bruining opened the “tea house” Mellow Yellow and jump-started the coffeeshop revolution.
 
Brick with the info! Hear what this ^^^ man says. Right on the money.

We owe a lot to Shanti and Nevil among many others, we should be respectful. Also Shanti IS the SOLE owner of Mr. Nice.
 

maphisto

Well-Known Member
A man is a man to me. I'm not all into the who did this and that or who left where. I just want good quality seeds. MJ has been growing for years....These 3 men aren't the originators of anything. Getting a couple/few good quality strains means nada because ALL strains come from the planet. I'm sure they may be good breeders, but I doubt they are any different than the likes of other good breeders. Wu Tang is old school(not really...old school to me is Slick Rick and etc.), but even so Wu Tang can't hold a candle to the likes of Eminem, Lil Wayne, Drake, and etc.....get my point? Real talk, these seeds better be worth it or the I'm putting them on blast. They will be here in less than 4 days.
wow!how did those ssh beans work for you?before you go putting anybody on 'blast' what are your growing skills?i have their Master Kush x Skunk #1 and i threw 6 beans to germinate and all 6 germinated.they are doing fine,but it's up to me as a grower to provide the best enviorment that i can.this has been nearly 7 months since ya posted this did ya put them on 'blast or are you a fan now?
 

althor

Well-Known Member
Shantibaba does not make feminized seeds because feminized seeds are a gimmick. Shantibaba does not go in for gimmicks or the easy buck. Feminized seeds are more hermie prone than regular seeds, but they draw the noobies like shit draws flies because they think they will be getting stable 100% FEMALE seeds, so that is why places like Green House Seeds went all feminized. Easy money from those who do not know much, if anything at all, about genetics.

Due to lost sales, because those who do not know better think feminized seeds are the way to go, some better breeders who resisted taking the feminized seed route were driven to do so in an attempt to regain their lost market-share. Shantibaba's gear is so high quality that he does not have to do that. Much of his line is out of stock much of the time on any seedbank you go to. His gear sells like hotcakes because of it's quality. He doesn't need to lessen his quality and rely on gimmicks to sell out his gear quickly.

If you actually believe that making feminized seeds is a sign of a good and skilled professional breeder you have a great deal to learn about cannabis genetics. The more someone learns about cannabis genetics the more and more they will want to stay as far away as possible from feminized seeds.
I see people say that about "female seeds are hermie prone" yet to this day I have never ONCE had a feminized seed hermie on me. The few hermies I have had, have come from regular seeds.

So far the only proof I have seen that they are more hermie prone have been the "well I dont grow them because they are hermie prone, but I heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend."
 

canna_420

Well-Known Member
If you can get a hold of the early seed catalogs (on MNS)
you will see pics of Nev collecting some genetics
to say he used all Wernards stock is wrong.

Shantibaba to collected alot of genetics the same way Wernard did traveling.
not many breeders today can say they collected their own stuff.


You say about KC brains. His stuff his utter wank. He as ad to feminize to keep profit coming in and maybe let people get "The pheno".

I like many as a noob 6+ yrs ago bought them cheap and was more than disappointed.


Like many have mentioned though Z6-Z7 as been feminized by Jaime (Resin seeds) as medi users have little space.

I cant wait for the flock to begin on them. They dont get you stoned they just medicate. Good for spliff mixing to
 

canna_420

Well-Known Member
http://www.cannabiscupwinners.com/awards/kings-of-cannabis.html "KING OF CANNABIS, PRE GHS"



Now to clear up the story and myths that go around, due mainly to people in the industry(other seed companies) who are more interested in making money than giving information that is correct. Haze brothers worked on the Haze’s and they did get to Sam and Nevil(owner of THE SEEDBANK…and then Ben Dronkers retailed Nevils strains under the label of SENSI SEEDBANK after Nevil had some jail time in Australia .Nevil was the first Seed Bank or company to exist in Holland so his legendary strains such as Northern lights 5, Ultra skunk , Nl5 Haze, Early pearl , Early girl, Shiva Skunk….and so on became the basis for a lot of offspring seed companies that followed in the 90s.

In fact companies like Dutch passion and Nirvana began by copying Nevils seeds from the F1 seed…but most of them would never say so as they are Dutch business men who see dollars first and not genetics….Sam and Nevil use to work a bit on strains together but when it was revealed that Sam and his crew of Americans in Holland all were part of informants for the DEA in America on a radio program in Holland they split to the UK to do other things. Sam never started or owned a seed company so his claim to all the strains that became famous years ago are not really warranted. He did however do a lot of work on Skunk and shared some seed with Nevil, but as you know for breeding you cannot just take any plant and make a strain like Greenhouse does nowadays. I was working in Australia on varieties like Mullumbimby madness and Thai and Columbia strains of sativas, as well as a lot of original Afghan stock. When I came to Holland in 1990 with my seed stock I linked up with Nevil , and used Arjan’s coffeeshops to introduce strains of cannabis and a little later the seed versions, but we never gave any of the plants to him.Arjan just sold seed produced by Nevil and myself. I co founded the Greenhouse Seed Company with Arjan in 1994(unlike Arjan’s claim it began in 1985 from him alone…he was angry that I sold my half share to him and left in 1998 to Switzerland and to open Mr Nice Seedbank with Nevil and Howard…but I was and still am the sole owner of MNS). In 1995 I came out with the seed version of White widow, then White Rhino 1996 and White Shark 1997…el nino1998 , Himalayan gold and so on. Nevil and I co worked on some Haze strains during the early to mid 90s of which Super Silver Haze and Mango Haze were two strains that eventually came out of this work.The seed was sold under the Greenhouse Seed co label but Nevil held those plants and only sold the seed of these varieties as well as the weed version that won all those awards.So as to help Arjan sell the correct weed we set up our own independent grow rooms and produced those weeds and Arjan bought them all so as no other Dutch shop could compete. In those days the Greenhouse sold the correct weed and seed.But in 1998 when I won all the cups with Nevil(including Shantibaba’s Hash for best nederhash) I was givien a better offer by a Swiss group to set up a medical cannabis farm and distil oil…so I sold my share to Arjan and left. A lot of people were shocked as they thought we were a solid unit but actually Arjan was over the top already with his success and his ego was too much to listen to and considering the Swiss thing had unlimited possibility where as Holland was stuck at being glorified dope dealers….as it still is today. Medical was more my interest.

I took all my plants which made the seeds, especially my fathers and Nevil put all his plants with me so together we had a library of all genetics possible in the cannabis world. Nevil soon sold his part in one of the coffeeshops and had a big problem with Arjan too…but it took another year or two for them to split. Take a look at the High times Cannabis cup after 1998, so 1999 onwards….only while Nevil was there did they win with SSH, but that soon left with Nevil and Arjan even got caught cheating or trying to bribe people to win cup…so was disqualified one year.

A lot of stories exist about the Widow family and a lot of people had access to some of the female versions I left in Holland and soon began claiming to be the creature etc….but the original seed versions that won the first cup in 1995 came from my plants not anyone else’s. Till today we have all the plants in original form. Franco, the Italian working for Arjan now does not even know the original plants as he did not come on the scene till after I left. I have nothing against him at all but he is paid by Arjan andis part of that show so believes what ever is feed to him. The GHSco tried to get things going by buying some seed Nev and I had for sale from a guy in Holland during this time. The guy called me up and told me Arjan bought a few thousand euros of this seed and a year later came out with seed under the well known names he had used previously. The growers could not know this until they grew it out and considering a lot of people never grew it before they did not even know what they were looking at and still do not.So many seed companies use the names like White widow but the genetics are all different. I wrote out the true origins of the plant and everyone copied that so it looks like everyone is selling the same genetics but it is they are all selling a name that sells…nothing more.Ask Franco to show you a photo of the original parents that make the widow…he cannot as he has never seen them.The Ghsco linked up with others like Ingemar who claims to be the widow breeder but he is only a grower and he never came out with a seed version until after I made it in 1995. But all the facts have become mixed and people try to confuse the grower by claiming things that no one else can prove to be correct or wrong…as there are no rules in the seed game since all cannabis is actually not recognized in the official plant world as sub species due to it being drug related. So in actual fact no one owns nothing…even all the trademarked R after the names you see from various seed companies are all bullshit as they are not really able to protect any names as the plants do not officially exist…but that is another story.

In the late 90s I gave plants to Soma, and he began a seed company a year later too…mixing his skunks to my males. This has occurred many times to me just look at the Spanish seed companies and 10 years ago…none existed until I went there in 1995 and gave away 3 kilos of seed to growers via Canamo magazine….but that is another story too.

Now the female seed story saved a lot of seed companies who never really breed seed as you only need a F1 female and chemicals….no need for a male…..so go figure why companies like the Greenhouse or Dinafem etc…set up selling female seed…..the money the demand and not really needing skill with males are all prerequisites to make a female seed. It is therefore obvious to me why Arjan (who is a very marketing person nothing more) and Franco come out every year with a new name plant…they buy an original F1 seed and donk it with silver nitrates and there you have there products…but now adays there are so many doing it it is incredible. Even companies have called me to tell me they feminised a clone of Critical mass in spain and call it critical plus….but say nothing more than thanks. So actually I really do not care any longer about other companies and what they say. We at MNS sell the real versions that won the original awards and made the legends…nowadays it is all confused and everyone is going feminised…except MNS. We exist so people who like to breed will be able to with the original true breed plants that come from selection and natural collection from traveling around the world. As they say, an empty barrel makes a louder noise…and we are full.

ShantiBaba
 

apollo4

Well-Known Member
shanti s ,i like sannies but there isnt any comparison between them,shanti all the way.is aall time fav for me.
 

Kite High

Well-Known Member
This old thread is as full of misinformation as any. Face it they are all lying ass cheats when it comes to money Shanti is no better than any others and Nevil is a lowlife scumbag. Both about the money. And all this hating and misinformation on fem seeds is hilarious. So damned obvious when people talk about shit and put it down because of their feelings rather tHan facts.

Wernarc is one of the few honest ones. That's why he went broke. The low life's like Arjan and Nevil pulled strings to cause the banks to demand payment on a business loan knowing it would eliminate wernard from the scene as his strains were blowing out the others from it. The genetics that wernard had were divided up and given to Homegrown fantaseeds, and Nirvana founders were Wernard s former employees that stole genetics from him.
 

bundee1

Well-Known Member
A man is a man to me. I'm not all into the who did this and that or who left where. I just want good quality seeds. MJ has been growing for years....These 3 men aren't the originators of anything. Getting a couple/few good quality strains means nada because ALL strains come from the planet. I'm sure they may be good breeders, but I doubt they are any different than the likes of other good breeders. Wu Tang is old school(not really...old school to me is Slick Rick and etc.), but even so Wu Tang can't hold a candle to the likes of Eminem, Lil Wayne, Drake, and etc.....get my point? Real talk, these seeds better be worth it or the I'm putting them on blast. They will be here in less than 4 days.
Wow based on your musical analysis Im dismissing everything you say from now on. Besides blam blam Punisher be taking out all y'all bitches blam blam.
 

corners

Well-Known Member
Do not know much about Sannies seeds, but want to grow some SSH and I see Sannies has a Shackzella, a SSH cross, Would like to hear from growers of Mr. Nice and Sannies to get some input on thier seeds, thanks, also would like to say Jack herer from sinse seeds is the best weed I have ever grown, the cost is just to high,

Go with Sugar Punch. The One X SSH. Its the greatest strain most dont know about yet
 
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