my bad, didnt realize thre were 2 different plants, but no matter who says what the plant in the very last pictures posted is a male.......and an honest question for you sticky.....if it takes time for a plant to show sex once you put it into 12/12 lighting, but you arent counting that time as flowering time then what would it be considered? veg time? i wouldnt think so.... so if a plant has an 8 week flowering period it would be more like 9-10 weeks of 12/12? correct? just wanna make sure were on the same page. I mean in an indoor setting, once you flip your lights...technially you go into flowering stage right?(and I know that it takes a bit for the plant to change over) people dont say "i vegged for 5 weeks, had a 2 week"nothing" time, and now its flowering." they say "i vegged for 5 weeks and then put it into flower." correct?