Killing my plant

[Joos Springsteen]

How bad can a seed be if it sprouts a tap root, roots itself, pops out of the ground, and starts growing? All things considered in the OP, I say we chalk this one up to grower error. It seems to me that you would want to address the "crappy soil" and "crappy fertilizer" before you begin knocking the "nonviable seeds" that were viable enough to grow into plants.


I have another idea that you might find helpful. What do you think about posting the specs of your grow-op, environmental readings, and a few pictures. With this information, the rest of us can actually help set straight your errors and missteps. Without good information, all we can do is speculate as to who is more inept, you or the seed company.

Another thing. When dealing with these seed companies, it is of the utmost importance that any correspondence be as cordial, amiable, and generally positive as is humanly possible. Chances are you're American and they're Europeans and it really helps to go out on a limb to demonstrate that you've got manners if you'd like them to absorb the cost of and go out on a limb to illegally fire off, across the Atlantic, another package of seeds.

 

[tokenbrownguy]

Well, I can verify that ive been nothing less than cordial when dealing in these matters with AMS. yes, I am American. Crappy soil, etc sure, but they were consistant throughout with each plant. Again, the only variable here is/are the seeds...

 

[lordjin]

How bad can a seed be if it sprouts a tap root, roots itself, pops out of the ground, and starts growing? All things considered in the OP, I say we chalk this one up to grower error. It seems to me that you would want to address the "crappy soil" and "crappy fertilizer" before you begin knocking the "nonviable seeds" that were viable enough to grow into plants.


I have another idea that you might find helpful. What do you think about posting the specs of your grow-op, environmental readings, and a few pictures. With this information, the rest of us can actually help set straight your errors and missteps. Without good information, all we can do is speculate as to who is more inept, you or the seed company.

Another thing. When dealing with these seed companies, it is of the utmost importance that any correspondence be as cordial, amiable, and generally positive as is humanly possible. Chances are you're American and they're Europeans and it really helps to go out on a limb to demonstrate that you've got manners if you'd like them to absorb the cost of and go out on a limb to illegally fire off, across the Atlantic, another package of seeds.

If it's illegal, then they are making a profit outside of the law. It's a risk they're willing to take to make money, but I'm not gonna applaud anyone for doing this. So we, the paying customers, have to be 'extra nice' to these people or we won't get the goods we paid their asking price for? That sounds like the power an illegal drug dealer has over the hapless drug buyer. I say fuck that shit altogether. Of course I live in California where it's a lot easier for me to fuck that shit, but anyone can grow a good mother plant and propogate clones. That's what I suggest to people. Grow your own mothers (and fathers), and do your own crosses, make your own seeds. This overseas ordering shit is a shady business and it's best for you to avoid it altogether if you can.

Now back to this grower's incompetence. Despite his debilitating ineptitude, he was able to make one of the seeds grow into a healthy plant that turned out to be a male. And we can speculate unitl the cows come home where he fucked up. Cheap soil? Did he use battery acid to water his seeds? Hmmmm...

When dealing with organic forms of reproduction, genetic stability is never 100% regardless of breeding. So is it because our friend here found it beyond him to plant moist seeds in decent soil with clean water? Or could it be any number of x-factors that could be present in seeds coming from an unkown source from another continent? How long were those seeds sitting around before they were shipped? In what manner were they stored? What kind of plants actually produced them? How were they handled? These are things that cannot be verified. But the dude already said he didn't water his seeds with battery acid.

Edit:
I've seen funky uneven genetics from Nirvana seeds where the plants didn't develop at the same rate despite sharing the exact same environment. On another occassion, I received seeds from yet another overseas bank (can't remember their name) and two seeds of supposedly the same strain grew into two completely different plants.
And I can tell you right now... None of it was user error.

Also, seeds don't last forever. If you have some really old seeds, they might germ, but they won't go any further. I've tried it with very old seeds. A tap root comes out, but it can't do anything more. What's to stop someone at a seed bank from filling an order with seeds that have been laying around for months? New shipment not in yet? Well, we can fill this order with this crap we have lying around. Who's ever gonna know? -- And that scenario completely leaves out the very real possibility that the person filling the order doesn't know a thing about seed shelf life.

 

[tokenbrownguy]

Thanks, lordjin for helping out.

 

[lordjin]

Thanks, lordjin for helping out.

I think you just had a stretch of bad luck. Don't let these guys make you think germing a seed is that complicated, and that you must have fucked up somehow. If the seeds are fresh and viable, they'll germ themselves and sprout and grow without any special treatment or effort. That's what good seeds do.

Just chalk it up as a bump in the road and get right back on that pot-growing horse.

 

[cb99]

Luck of the draw, I'd say. I've bought from the same company 3 times. 1st I grew a lovely male..however didn't know the difference between a male and worm. Oh well. Second was these little 60 day wonders...I wondered long and hard why none of them would sprout. Third was also bought through them from Amsterdam seeds. 3 I tried to sprout, 1 worked. Grew to be the wonderful female she is today. I'm learning there are so many factors that go into this. I will buy based on a company that is reputable..(or mostly). After that, if I'm growing regular seeds, I'm gonna get male, female or nothing. I'm guessing thats how it works unless you clone your own stuff. That will be my next endeavour.