My 2 cents on profit for caregivers

[bob harris]

DVR'd "Prohibition" off PBS and watched it 3 times already. it's like watching the pot movement in reverse, like freaky kind of. Great show, and a remind that prohibition doesn't work. Alcohol prohibition s interchangable with pot completely.

Alcohol prohibition interchangeable with pot? How so? Alcohol was legal...then made illegal (IE: Prohibition) Pot has never been legal...

 

[stems&seeds]

Reasonable is whatever the end patient feels like paying. You want to put a salary cap on caregivers? If you want this industry to grow and thrive you can't stifle profiteering. It will simply force many back into the black market. What's reasonable to some may not be to others.
The ability for one to make a profit affords that same person the ability to contribute to society. Private donations in this country far outweigh those which are forced upon us by our government. Let people make money and they will voluntarily give back to society.

 

[stems&seeds]

FYI pot was legal up until the 1920's when the feds started regulating the Indian's. In 1937 I think Roosevelt passed a tax act declaring it virtually illegal. It simply got worse and worse from that point on.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

Correct....which is why cbd's, in high concentrations, are not of primary use in most neurological disorders, like epilepsy and Parkinson's. Thca and thcv combine to relive the neurological symptoms, without the need for high cbd's. resulting in a cleaner, less "stoney" medication...allowing for better relief for fatigue and lethargy present in those neurological disorders.

Spasms are muscle reactions caused by muscle/skeletal disorders..Seizures better describes un wanted muscle movement by neurological cause, such as epilepsy and Parkinson's.

Thanks..useful post...

THC is not a less stoney high. you are smoking crack not cannabis.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

Alcohol prohibition interchangeable with pot? How so? Alcohol was legal...then made illegal (IE: Prohibition) Pot has never been legal...

Pot was legal then made illegal then made legal then illegal again. Dig up some real history and not that propaganda the government puts out.I suppose you want me to do it and spoon feed it to you like a little baby.

 

[bob harris]

FYI pot was legal up until the 1920's when the feds started regulating the Indian's. In 1937 I think Roosevelt passed a tax act declaring it virtually illegal. It simply got worse and worse from that point on.

Pot wasn't legal. Cannabis, heroin, Cocaine were all unregulated. although these drugs were not, technically illegal, there were no laws for or against. Most of society, however, felt these drugs were illicit, and laws were passed to make them illegal. Cocaine was actually IN Coca Cola until these laws came to be..

Liquor however was legalized and regulated around this time period. Then made illegal again (prohibition)....

If cannabis were legalized to the point of alcohol... you wouldn't be allowed to grow. Private business, willing to comply with inspections, purity standards and paying taxes would manufacture and distribute the cannabis. Just like liqueur. Companies..like Budwiser (Neat name for a weed grower..intentionally misspelled) would take over and your dream of being a cannabis grower crushed. Unless, you have the capitol and business acumen to form a legitimate company.

Yes, you can make small amounts of beer and wine today, but you can't distill, or sell your beer and wine without becoming a legitimate business.

Your post suggests that you would like liquor put back in the hands of bootleggers. Not going to happen.

 

[bob harris]

Pot was legal then made illegal then made legal then illegal again. Dig up some real history and not that propaganda the government puts out.I suppose you want me to do it and spoon feed it to you like a little baby.

Are you referring to the marijuana tax act of, I believe, 1933? If so..you may be the one who needs to do some reading...there was a very restrictive, un compilable law written that existed briefly...but it didn't legalize pot. I suggest you read it. It allowed marijuana to be grown, however you had to bring it to Washinton to be inspected. Then supposedly, you would pay taxes on it and be given a tax stamp. (cool collectables) However, since transporting of cannabis was still illegal... you couldn't take it to Washington without breaking the law. Very grey area stuff.

Just like medical marijuana laws it did not legalize pot.

So if that's what your referring to, perhaps you should go read some real history...

 

[bob harris]

THC is not a less stoney high. you are smoking crack not cannabis.

Uh...do some reading..you're ignorant.

 

[Cory and trevor]

Alcohol prohibition interchangeable with pot? How so? Alcohol was legal...then made illegal (IE: Prohibition) Pot has never been legal...

Time to go to the library bob. It was absolutely legal at one time silly, without people around to make it illegal it was legal for centuries. Racism and dirty corporations lobying to save their profits made it illegal. Fuck Bob, there was a time in this country you could pay taxes with hemp. Who ARE you man? I can't put my finger on you dude, not for the life of me. BIG holes in your sheepskin bro.

 

[Cory and trevor]

Pot wasn't legal. Cannabis, heroin, Cocaine were all unregulated. although these drugs were not, technically illegal, there were no laws for or against. Most of society, however, felt these drugs were illicit, and laws were passed to make them illegal. Cocaine was actually IN Coca Cola until these laws came to be..

Liquor however was legalized and regulated around this time period. Then made illegal again (prohibition)....

If cannabis were legalized to the point of alcohol... you wouldn't be allowed to grow. Private business, willing to comply with inspections, purity standards and paying taxes would manufacture and distribute the cannabis. Just like liqueur. Companies..like Budwiser (Neat name for a weed grower..intentionally misspelled) would take over and your dream of being a cannabis grower crushed. Unless, you have the capitol and business acumen to form a legitimate company.

Yes, you can make small amounts of beer and wine today, but you can't distill, or sell your beer and wine without becoming a legitimate business.

Your post suggests that you would like liquor put back in the hands of bootleggers. Not going to happen.

......sssssssss....BOOM: my head just blew the fuck up! Bet ya think Christopher Columbus was a great guy whodidn't wipe out a nation. History class you get an A, actual facts here is a hand delivered F for FAIL

 

[Cory and trevor]

Are you referring to the marijuana tax act of, I believe, 1933? If so..you may be the one who needs to do some reading...there was a very restrictive, un compilable law written that existed briefly...but it didn't legalize pot. I suggest you read it. It allowed marijuana to be grown, however you had to bring it to Washinton to be inspected. Then supposedly, you would pay taxes on it and be given a tax stamp. (cool collectables) However, since transporting of cannabis was still illegal... you couldn't take it to Washington without breaking the law. Very grey area stuff.

Just like medical marijuana laws it did not legalize pot.

So if that's what your referring to, perhaps you should go read some real history...

THC is being found to be less medically useful then CBD by most people in the field of mental health. CBD is thought now to counteract the "paranoia" friihtening effects and could lead someday to a use as an anti-psychotic. it's combinations of all the canabanoids of a plant profile that create a high/stone hence the sativa indica seperation; their ratios in pure forms of indica or sativa are similar in effect and canabinoid profile to each other. Indica stone sativa high. P.S. the feds "legalized" it but wouldn't sell the stamps that were eluded to in the law to people without proof of having crop; then if you tried to prove you had crop to make it legal and get your stamp BOOM busted for having it without a stamp. I got a good book for you bob: Columbus and other lies my history teach told me. check it out. Got a pot verson too. Love you bob....

 

[Cory and trevor]

Are you referring to the marijuana tax act of, I believe, 1933? If so..you may be the one who needs to do some reading...there was a very restrictive, un compilable law written that existed briefly...but it didn't legalize pot. I suggest you read it. It allowed marijuana to be grown, however you had to bring it to Washinton to be inspected. Then supposedly, you would pay taxes on it and be given a tax stamp. (cool collectables) However, since transporting of cannabis was still illegal... you couldn't take it to Washington without breaking the law. Very grey area stuff.

Just like medical marijuana laws it did not legalize pot.

So if that's what your referring to, perhaps you should go read some real history...

Well, fuck Bob; I appologize. should have read through before I bit you. I still think you're splitting cunt hairs sayng it wasn't legal ever. No law barring it means it IS legal. Air is legal. It is sold in a regulated form botled and under pressure and you need permits for the transport-air still considered legal isn't it bob?

 

[Buddy Ganga]

Well, fuck Bob; I appologize. should have read through before I bit you. I still think you're splitting cunt hairs sayng it wasn't legal ever. No law barring it means it IS legal. Air is legal. It is sold in a regulated form botled and under pressure and you need permits for the transport-air still considered legal isn't it bob?

Might want to research the difference between oxygen and air. lmfao!

 

[bob harris]

Well, fuck Bob; I appologize. should have read through before I bit you. I still think you're splitting cunt hairs sayng it wasn't legal ever. No law barring it means it IS legal. Air is legal. It is sold in a regulated form botled and under pressure and you need permits for the transport-air still considered legal isn't it bob?

Virtually everything was" legal" until the late 19th century..increasing population density...big cities...made law making necessary. right and wrong were the ruling factors, and definitions varied wildly...very little written law.

In past centuries, with minimal civilization..there was no concept of legal or illegal. Only when the first law is passed on an issue, does the concept of legal or illegal come into effect. Hence, cannabis was never legal..then the legality revoked. Ergo...it does not equate to prohibition...which was what I was rebutting.

And for all you Nazi's that think I have to google answers..did you see how quick the mj tax act came back at ya?

To debate further makes it a philosophical debate similar to the chicken or the egg. And yes philosophical debates are splitting hairs..

 

[Joedank]

bob lets discuss the responsible uses of medical morphine..... it was warred over and pushed by governments as long as were talking old shit.... opium proves that being a ruling power does not make you right loyalty to your country always, to your government when it deserves it ...twain

 

[bob harris]

THC is being found to be less medically useful then CBD by most people in the field of mental health. CBD is thought now to counteract the "paranoia" friihtening effects and could lead someday to a use as an anti-psychotic. it's combinations of all the canabanoids of a plant profile that create a high/stone hence the sativa indica seperation; their ratios in pure forms of indica or sativa are similar in effect and canabinoid profile to each other. Indica stone sativa high. P.S. the feds "legalized" it but wouldn't sell the stamps that were eluded to in the law to people without proof of having crop; then if you tried to prove you had crop to make it legal and get your stamp BOOM busted for having it without a stamp. I got a good book for you bob: Columbus and other lies my history teach told me. check it out. Got a pot verson too. Love you bob....

Again you are correct somewhat. Cdb,"s are effective for mental disorders like anxiety, paranoia, post traumatic Stress...things whre a sedating effect is desired. Sedating, is generally considered the "stone"....Euphoric or motivational effects come for the thc family, consisting of thc, thcv and thca.

The combinations thc"s/cbd's are endless, and all have different effects, that treat different things. Trust me, when i say thc/thcv for Parkinson's...I've thoroughly researched Cannabis and Parkinson's..as I have Parkinson's. I've also been working with the same strain for 3 years..Playing with light intensities, spectrums (adding blue) and uvb lighting. I have my grows tested after growing changes, to monitor the effect of the change on the thc/cbd values of my grow.

Although I cant tell you my exact thcv content (cannalytic, the lab I can take things too, can only give "total thc" they can't break down thc/thcv) .i can tell youi that my "total" thc is currently 26.5%. (ya, i know..you all want to scream bullshit) but keep in mind that's TOTAL thc.

Guessing..a reasonable breakdown would be something like 18.5% thc, 7% thcv, and 1% thca...my cbd's have always been low. I grow as pure a sativa as you can get..landrace SE Asian seed stock. my "guess" on my thcv values, is based on the increase in total thc, after increasing light intensity, and adding uvb. First grow 3 years ago, my total thc was 18%. but cbd's were low due to the sativa Heritage, and the fact that I harvest at "clear to partly cloudy" so I'm "guessing' that the light inensity/uvb is raising/creating the thcv..which is raising "total " thc...Follow that?

But the real proof to me, is that it works better on MY symptoms..and I haven't developed 'strain immunity" to the effects.

 

[bob harris]

Might want to research the difference between oxygen and air. lmfao!

Funny..cause it's kinda true. Oxygen is highly flammable and tightly regulated. But Nitrogen is ok...and helium...little trickier when we get to argon...Damn..air is complicated...

 

[bob harris]

If you'd like.I'll post a pic of one of my leaves...7 fingers, slender little things...another week or so and she'll start putting out the freaky 9 fingered ones.
Sometimes she'll get one with 11 fingers, they are just plain weird to look at..But they leave no doubt to her Sativa genetics...

 

[bob harris]

bob lets discuss the responsible uses of medical morphine..... it was warred over and pushed by governments as long as were talking old shit.... opium proves that being a ruling power does not make you right loyalty to your country always, to your government when it deserves it ...twain

I'm far from an expert on medical morphine..I've been given morphine in the hospital..and I knew a guy that had a morphine 'injection pump thingy".
My personal experience with morphine at the hospital was that it was effective at pain management, and makes you pretty happy. These days they tend to use dilaudid more oten it seems(had it for gall bladder removal) it worked on pain too..didn't seem as "happy" though...

And I'm not aware of how they are used as prescriptions..other than morphine is quite often used near end of life...

 

[bob harris]

......sssssssss....BOOM: my head just blew the fuck up! Bet ya think Christopher Columbus was a great guy whodidn't wipe out a nation. History class you get an A, actual facts here is a hand delivered F for FAIL

Columbus didn't wipe out a nation. Now guys like Cortez...he was a little harsh. And thanks for the appology after reading about the mj tax act. Don't ya think you should rework that grade...