scotia1982
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U can use the coco in the farms as far as a know m8
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PUKKA BUD
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Ive just been lookin into it, abit mate......................does the water re-cycle or drain to waste in the waterfarms?................cos would have to change to aqua nutes not coco nutes if it does? and im not sure you can use the aqua range on coco, it says on there site the aquas for inert subtanses like pebbles and rockwool but im sure coco is aswell so maybe.
Does the pump run all the time so its just constanly drippin?
How often do you change the res or whatever lol?
How come you see peeps drillin holes in the 1st bucket with them to mate?
scotia1982
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It recycles m8, constantly dripping. It depends on ur nutes how often u do a full change. Ghe advises every 3 wks for a full change n clean,but a usually do it once a week. The last 3-4 weeks they really drink it so a found maself having to fully refill it twice a wk but it was a monster plant lol.
Ive never used the coco always hydrocoton,a think sillybilly's goin to use the coco fibre with aqua nutes.
scotia1982
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The only thing a can think of drilling holes is if its a diy job the ghe farms hve got more than enough already....
PUKKA BUD
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Thanks for the info mate, I think id go for the canna clay pebbles looks quite simple only a couple of extra bottles of nutes with the vega an flores a&b and you can use all the other nutes i got, and im likin the 1 or twice a week thing mate gettin a pain with the everyday waterin in coco now, and with the little un on the way need to make things easier.
Grow Guide | CANNA UK
PUKKA BUD
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Just read this off the canna aqua info paper
Ebb and flow systems and the drip system can be used in combination with a substrate. Most nutrient systems for recirculating systems assume that an inert substrate is used. An inert substrate is a substrate that does not withdraw nutrients from the nutrient solution, nor does it add them. This does not mean it will not affect the pH of the medium, rockwool is an example of an inert medium that does not affect the EC but does raise the pH level. Soil is not an inert substrate, as soil contains nutrients that, if they are also in the nutrient solution, would result in an excess of certain elements.
Coco has the opposite effect, withdrawing certain elements from the nutrient solution. If a recirculating nutrient is used in combination with this substrate, it will result in a nutrient deficiency. Clay, perlite and rockwool are examples of inert substrates. These substrates do not contain any nutrients, nor do they withdraw them from the nutrient solution.
So defo clay or perlite mate
Ebb and flow systems and the drip system can be used in combination with a substrate. Most nutrient systems for recirculating systems assume that an inert substrate is used. An inert substrate is a substrate that does not withdraw nutrients from the nutrient solution, nor does it add them. This does not mean it will not affect the pH of the medium, rockwool is an example of an inert medium that does not affect the EC but does raise the pH level. Soil is not an inert substrate, as soil contains nutrients that, if they are also in the nutrient solution, would result in an excess of certain elements.
Coco has the opposite effect, withdrawing certain elements from the nutrient solution. If a recirculating nutrient is used in combination with this substrate, it will result in a nutrient deficiency. Clay, perlite and rockwool are examples of inert substrates. These substrates do not contain any nutrients, nor do they withdraw them from the nutrient solution.
So defo clay or perlite mate
cheddar1985
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P the only medium id use in wf are hydroton pal your right in thinking you d have to switch to canna aqua but its just as good as wot your using now imo youd beed less nutes to as its a self contained res and cocco is nothin like hydroton so its a no lose situation other than u need to b more clued up on ec ph ppm which i ve not done in a long time with cocco but yeah just imagine not having to tend to em everyday lol heaven ay lol
PUKKA BUD
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I'd go with the canna clay pebbles mate and the aqua range defo!, im not bad with ph but never read ec before so a little learnin there, its either 2 waterfarms for me or some kinda drip system and stick with the coco in airpots run to waste who knows mate just startin to look into now.
PUKKA BUD
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Some more info from the Canna aqua info paper
NFT - Nutrient Flow Technique
The first NFT (Nutrient Flow Technique) systems were introduced in the seventies. Allen Cooper developed the first NFT system in England. In NFT systems a series of tubes provide a constant, gentle flow of nutrient solution to the roots. The nutrient solution that drains from the root environment is gathered in a reservoir and then recirculated to the plants.
In recent times, the NFT tables have also become very popular for cultivation in this manner. This approach works on the same principle as the first tube system developed. To ensure that the nutrient solution has sufficient flow the tubing itself must have a fall of around 1%. In a tunnel construction the flow rate should be around 1litre per minute. Take care to ensure that the root mass at the bottom of the tunnel doesn’t become too dense!
If this occurs there is the danger that the nutrient solution will flow over the outer layer of roots, so that there is not enough contact between the nutrient solution and the roots inside the root mass. Under these circumstances the plants will wilt more quickly and nutrient deficiencies may arise.
In order to prevent such a thick root mass from developing it is advisable to make sure that the tubes are no more than 9 meters in length and that they have a diameter of at least 30cm.
An imminent nutrient deficiency in a NFT system can often first be seen on the plants at the end of the flow (the lowest plants). This is because the plants at the beginning and middle of the flow are still able to extract nutrition from the nutrient solution. By keeping
an extra close eye on these plants, nutrient shortages can be spotted and corrected, sooner. Correction is achieved by increasing the flow rate and/ or increasing the strength (EC) of the solution.
As well as nutrient deficiencies, oxygen shortages are often the first problems seen with the plants at the end of the flow. A shortage of oxygen causes the roots to turn brown with a corresponding drop in the plants uptake of water and nutrient. The chances of oxygen shortages arising are greatest during the fruitforming phase and in stressful situations. Using enzymes that stimulate root decomposition leads to fewer dead roots remaining and a more vibrant plant. Under normal circumstances there will always be a certain amount of dead root material in the system, but, so long as there are enough white, healthy roots, this is no reason for panic.
Aeroponics is...
Aeroponics was introduced in 1982, a few years after the NFT system; it originally comes from Israel. Aeroponics is a system in which misters are used to continuously bathe the roots in very fine droplets. The smaller the droplets are, the better is the contact between the nutrient solution and the roots, and the better is the uptake of food and water.
Given that, practically speaking, the roots are growing in air; they always have sufficient oxygen available and large yields become possible. The biggest disadvantages off aeroponic systems are the relatively high initial investment costs and the systems’ proneness to malfunction. Leaving a thin layer of water on the bottom of the misting room will ensure that plants don’t go without water if there should be a system failure.
Ebb and flood systems
In an ebb and flood system, the plants are placed in a box that is periodically pumped full of nutrient solution. The substrate soaks up the nutrient solution, which is then pumped away. By filling the box with nutrient solution the old air is pushed out as the solution is pumped away and fresh air flows into the medium.
In order to prevent oxygen shortages from occurring around the roots, the medium must not be saturated for too long with water and it must contain sufficient air when the nutrient solution has drained away. One guideline for this is to ensure that the process of pumping full and then emptying should take no longer than 30 minutes.
The recommended frequency for flooding depends on the substrate that is being used and each plant’s root volume. Clay pebbles retain little water and must be flooded more often than a system with rock wool, for example, which will hold more water.
Drip systems
Drip systems are perhaps the most common type of hydroponics systems in the world, owing to their simplicity. A clock controls a pump in the nutrient tank. When the clock switches on the pump and a small drip mechanism drips a nutrient solution over the base of each plant. The excess nutrient solution is caught in the nutrient reservoir for subsequent reuse, or drained away.
In this system, the plants are kept in an inert substrate. Like with the ebb and flood system, the watering frequency is different.
NFT - Nutrient Flow Technique
The first NFT (Nutrient Flow Technique) systems were introduced in the seventies. Allen Cooper developed the first NFT system in England. In NFT systems a series of tubes provide a constant, gentle flow of nutrient solution to the roots. The nutrient solution that drains from the root environment is gathered in a reservoir and then recirculated to the plants.
In recent times, the NFT tables have also become very popular for cultivation in this manner. This approach works on the same principle as the first tube system developed. To ensure that the nutrient solution has sufficient flow the tubing itself must have a fall of around 1%. In a tunnel construction the flow rate should be around 1litre per minute. Take care to ensure that the root mass at the bottom of the tunnel doesn’t become too dense!
If this occurs there is the danger that the nutrient solution will flow over the outer layer of roots, so that there is not enough contact between the nutrient solution and the roots inside the root mass. Under these circumstances the plants will wilt more quickly and nutrient deficiencies may arise.
In order to prevent such a thick root mass from developing it is advisable to make sure that the tubes are no more than 9 meters in length and that they have a diameter of at least 30cm.
An imminent nutrient deficiency in a NFT system can often first be seen on the plants at the end of the flow (the lowest plants). This is because the plants at the beginning and middle of the flow are still able to extract nutrition from the nutrient solution. By keeping
an extra close eye on these plants, nutrient shortages can be spotted and corrected, sooner. Correction is achieved by increasing the flow rate and/ or increasing the strength (EC) of the solution.
As well as nutrient deficiencies, oxygen shortages are often the first problems seen with the plants at the end of the flow. A shortage of oxygen causes the roots to turn brown with a corresponding drop in the plants uptake of water and nutrient. The chances of oxygen shortages arising are greatest during the fruitforming phase and in stressful situations. Using enzymes that stimulate root decomposition leads to fewer dead roots remaining and a more vibrant plant. Under normal circumstances there will always be a certain amount of dead root material in the system, but, so long as there are enough white, healthy roots, this is no reason for panic.
Aeroponics is...
Aeroponics was introduced in 1982, a few years after the NFT system; it originally comes from Israel. Aeroponics is a system in which misters are used to continuously bathe the roots in very fine droplets. The smaller the droplets are, the better is the contact between the nutrient solution and the roots, and the better is the uptake of food and water.
Given that, practically speaking, the roots are growing in air; they always have sufficient oxygen available and large yields become possible. The biggest disadvantages off aeroponic systems are the relatively high initial investment costs and the systems’ proneness to malfunction. Leaving a thin layer of water on the bottom of the misting room will ensure that plants don’t go without water if there should be a system failure.
Ebb and flood systems
In an ebb and flood system, the plants are placed in a box that is periodically pumped full of nutrient solution. The substrate soaks up the nutrient solution, which is then pumped away. By filling the box with nutrient solution the old air is pushed out as the solution is pumped away and fresh air flows into the medium.
In order to prevent oxygen shortages from occurring around the roots, the medium must not be saturated for too long with water and it must contain sufficient air when the nutrient solution has drained away. One guideline for this is to ensure that the process of pumping full and then emptying should take no longer than 30 minutes.
The recommended frequency for flooding depends on the substrate that is being used and each plant’s root volume. Clay pebbles retain little water and must be flooded more often than a system with rock wool, for example, which will hold more water.
Drip systems
Drip systems are perhaps the most common type of hydroponics systems in the world, owing to their simplicity. A clock controls a pump in the nutrient tank. When the clock switches on the pump and a small drip mechanism drips a nutrient solution over the base of each plant. The excess nutrient solution is caught in the nutrient reservoir for subsequent reuse, or drained away.
In this system, the plants are kept in an inert substrate. Like with the ebb and flood system, the watering frequency is different.
scotia1982
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Av never bothered ma arse checkin ph etc jst water n nutes. Might hve been lucky a dnt no but never had problems.a grows r always on a low budget hadto move house to house over the past yr. Hopefully b here for a while now so can get settled in and add to the equipment lol
billcollector99
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Hows things going my friend?
PUKKA BUD
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Yeh mate you scottish lads have perfect water for growin mate real soft and low ph so i think it just works out spot on once youve added nutes my taps shit loads a clorine and high ph mate
So with the water farms mate do you top up the res in between water changes?
Good luck for your future grows mate now your settled!
PUKKA BUD
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Eyup bill things are sound mate!............thanks for droppin in!
Ive got a update tomoz the Grape kush is comin on nice a real looker lol......nice tight node spacin on it, its on its 6th set of nodes and is only a few inchs tall.
scotia1982
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generally u can run it till jst before it stops drippin then jst fill her up again. I work on 30 ltrs and it holds 35 if u no wot i mean?
PUKKA BUD
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Yeh i get ya mate.........canna were sayin top up when half had gone with half strength nutes, cos ph can go dodgy when theres only a little but id never herd that before so was just wonderin how peeps did it.
You got 1 of the large 1s then mate?
scotia1982
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Yeh its the nuts grows christmas trees lol
Don Gin and Ton
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whats on an poppin pukka mon!?
RobbieP
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i might just get 1 and see how it goes then get another if its good lol .. theres some that are abit smaller in my local shop 30cm x 30cm , could fit 3 or so of those in my tent ....
PUKKA BUD
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I like trees mate lol...................think im gunna have to try 1 lol
Eyup Don same old me man! lol
Yeh go for it mate!!.you can let me no what there like hahahi might just get 1 and see how it goes then get another if its good lol .. theres some that are abit smaller in my local shop 30cm x 30cm , could fit 3 or so of those in my tent ....
PUKKA BUD
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Start of week 8 and things are goin well still lol, the old flower girls are still swellin the lemons chuckin out new calxys and new white pistals, the livers are swellin, pistals shrinkin but still mostly white, and the blue cheese has got some fox tales comin on!
The new flowerin lemon is gettin huge and coverin the young livers gettin tight in there, might have to chop both of the livers and the bc next week for space, have to see how it goes!
Lemon
Livers
Blue cheese
Group shots
2 x livers and the big lemon 14 days 12/12
Veg cab
Grape kush 19 days old on its 7th node
Psychosis cut
Lemon cut
Exo cheese, Livers and blue cheese mothers gettin replaced soon
The new flowerin lemon is gettin huge and coverin the young livers gettin tight in there, might have to chop both of the livers and the bc next week for space, have to see how it goes!
Lemon
Livers
Blue cheese
Group shots
2 x livers and the big lemon 14 days 12/12
Veg cab
Grape kush 19 days old on its 7th node
Psychosis cut
Lemon cut
Exo cheese, Livers and blue cheese mothers gettin replaced soon