Catholic Idolators

Shannon Alexander

Shannon Alexander

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Eye Exaggerate - You have an interesting point of view that you are putting forward about all humanity being representations of Christ... Not one I believe of course but interesting...

Landmark - If I understand your question correctly my answer would be that I have always believed in a higher power, even coming from a loving non religious household with an extremely happy childhood.
 
Landmark

Landmark

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Shannon Alexander said:
Eye Exaggerate - You have an interesting point of view that you are putting forward about all humanity being representations of Christ... Not one I believe of course but interesting...

Landmark - If I understand your question correctly my answer would be that I have always believed in a higher power, even coming from a loving non religious household with an extremely happy childhood.
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Shannon- I wasn't asking since when did that belief come about. It does not matter, as it operates now. To ask it another way, what does having a belief keep you from being?
 
MJstudent

MJstudent

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Shannon Alexander said:
How do you personally reconcile your blatant disregard for the bibles rules on idolatry with your shrines, statues, portraits and talismans worshiping saints and praying for help from them..?

What I am not looking for is anti religious remarks from athiests
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how many religions have followed there texts completely and never changed or smudged a rule here and there. its how people move on and change. and without change we'd be cavemen. oops i m not religious, so i don't know the protocol here. do cavemen exist?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
While i am only a casual student of religion, my understanding of the injunction against idolatry is fairly strict: do not worship idols as gods themselves, as the Israelite host did with regard to a golden calf.
The older churches (Orthodox, Roman) have a rich tradition of icons, saints, visual art etc. However none of these articles are raised above the status of symbols or facilities for focusing attention upon the actually divine, which is not immanent or "pinned" to the representations.
The Catholics have a tradition of praying to saints as intercessors, but since the saints are not being worshiped as gods or divine authorities, I see that as "allowed" within the bounds of the injunction against idolatry, which is about the First Commandment. cn
 
Landmark

Landmark

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Shannon Alexander said:
Landmark - How would I found out what my belief in God stops me from being..?
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What has one form a belief in the first place? Can you see that for yourself, rather is that available to you? I mean that respectfully

and a pointer for you... and it is only a pointer please dont get stuck in the example

you require an operation, the first doctor believes he knows what he's doing, and is firm in his belief that he believes he knows what hes doing, but because it is a belief there is an uncertainty. Now in a split moment he has a choice, go find out about what he is unsure of or just ignore it and rely on his belief. This Dr chooses to rely on belief and goes into the operating room.

The second Dr, same scenario, chooses to find out what he is uncertain of before he goes into the operating room.

Now what was that second Dr being as opposed to the first?
 
Shannon Alexander

Shannon Alexander

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Landmark - He was being careful about not getting sued for malpractice... :P

all kidding aside I did not realize that the word belief has an inherent amount of uncertainty in it's definition. As our understandings of the word belief are different I need to find a better word for using in conversation with you and other people.

I know this is just a copy and paste job from dictionary.com but here are 4 definitions of belief and none of them have the definition of belief has thinking that maybe you're right about something
1.something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.

2.confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.

3.confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.

4.a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.

So I will rephrase myself and say that I am convinced without a shadow of a doubt that there is a higher power or high powers...

In my eyes the 2nd doctor was actually demonstrating that he did not believe he was right
 
Landmark

Landmark

Member
Shannon Alexander said:
Landmark - He was being careful about not getting sued for malpractice... :P

all kidding aside I did not realize that the word belief has an inherent amount of uncertainty in it's definition. As our understandings of the word belief are different I need to find a better word for using in conversation with you and other people.

I know this is just a copy and paste job from dictionary.com but here are 4 definitions of belief and none of them have the definition of belief has thinking that maybe you're right about something
1.something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat.

2.confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.

3.confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents.

4.a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.

So I will rephrase myself and say that I am convinced without a shadow of a doubt that there is a higher power or high powers...

In my eyes the 2nd doctor was actually demonstrating that he did not believe he was right
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Shannon had you said at some point in our history that the earth was not the center of the universe you would be labeled a lunatic, people were that certain and convinced, it was not a belief, it was fact for them.

I am asking you to find out the actual, being convinced, one is still in the shadows so to speak. Lets look here, if your willing, because you are beginning to point to something, what do you see that has you convinced, Id like to take that word out and say inspires you, moves you to say that in the first place?
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Shannon Alexander said:
Eye Exaggerate - You have an interesting point of view that you are putting forward about all humanity being representations of Christ... Not one I believe of course but interesting...

Landmark - If I understand your question correctly my answer would be that I have always believed in a higher power, even coming from a loving non religious household with an extremely happy childhood.
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...thanks. I should have written 'jesus', christ is the energy he embodied.
 
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