Padawanbater2
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Reasons I don't believe in God?
I can't.
Belief is not a choice.
I can't.
Belief is not a choice.
List of Reasons You Don't Believe In God.
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Landmark
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I question that belief in god requires an act of faith, it actually requires no action at all, in fact, belief kills off the possibility of discovering the actual. An act of faith is courage in operation, courage has nothing to do with belief, there is no relationship between the two. The moment one says they believe or don't believe, at that moment, all inquiry into the actual stops, and the mind becomes conditioned, stagnant.
Memory has its appropriate place, and a place where it does not serve one, it has become the master, that is thought (memory) in its inappropriate place.
Do you see that, or no?
eye exaggerate
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Hi Landmark.
I wonder if you've read about 'Jungian' quaternity? (Temenos)
I wonder if you've read about 'Jungian' quaternity? (Temenos)
Landmark
Member
I have not, is there something you would like to share about the book that moved, or inspired you?
crazyhazey
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trying to imagine a god is perfectly normal i think, but without outside influence(media, etc), i wonder if anyone would still need to believe something to feel comfortable. human kind is a herd animal, and religion is just another way to feel as if your not the only being, and feel weak and scared of what will happen if you dont pray.
dont let rules hold you back in life, especially if theyre out of a book they have in every hotel room(like wtf is wrong with christian people, why not give someone something useful like maybe a dictionary, not a book on advice that can be interpreted in any which way), especially one thats been changed by its writers for the last couple centuries.
if your a devoted catholic or christian, i hope youve confronted your fear and acknowledge scientific knowledge, and hopefully you can actually accept evolution and maybe somehow fit it in the bible. the year is 2011 and humans have adapted.
oh and thanks for saying stem cell research is illogical, stem cells are the next frontier in the medical world and we dont look into because of some book written by mysterious characters nobody has records of(reliable ones) or any proof they ever even existed. who knows, maybe mankind can overcome this handicap. religion is another factor that makes the human species divided. hell, a great example is all the crazy people killing each other over some shitty piece of land that isn't worth shit. (Israel for those who were confused)
dont let rules hold you back in life, especially if theyre out of a book they have in every hotel room(like wtf is wrong with christian people, why not give someone something useful like maybe a dictionary, not a book on advice that can be interpreted in any which way), especially one thats been changed by its writers for the last couple centuries.
if your a devoted catholic or christian, i hope youve confronted your fear and acknowledge scientific knowledge, and hopefully you can actually accept evolution and maybe somehow fit it in the bible. the year is 2011 and humans have adapted.
oh and thanks for saying stem cell research is illogical, stem cells are the next frontier in the medical world and we dont look into because of some book written by mysterious characters nobody has records of(reliable ones) or any proof they ever even existed. who knows, maybe mankind can overcome this handicap. religion is another factor that makes the human species divided. hell, a great example is all the crazy people killing each other over some shitty piece of land that isn't worth shit. (Israel for those who were confused)
Heisenberg
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What I see is that you have not taken the time to think about it or do not posses the faculties to discuss the act of belief.
Landmark
Member
Believe what you will, stay in ignorance then, as you wish.
eye exaggerate
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...Collected Works is great. And oh yes... much rocket fuel. Temenos / Nucleus. You wrote something here about division and I thought you may have pondered Jung somewhere in your travels.
Landmark
Member
I have not read Jung, does he speak of thought, in the psychological realm, creating fragmentation, division?
Hepheastus420
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Heisenberg
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Belief is not a choice. If I observe the sun I have no choice but to believe it rises and sets. If I am responsible and observe proper study of the sun, I see that it does not rise or set, but the earth rotates. Can I go back to believing the sun travels around the earth? Only if I am sufficiently convinced.
I look outside and the world appears flat. I believe it is until I am presented with data and pictures convincing me of it's roundness. Can I then go back to believing it's flat?
We can make belief a choice only if we are willing to engage in intellectual dishonesty.
eye exaggerate
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...he speaks more to finding the center after a long division from it. That place, that center (centre) is the 'safe place' from which to venture. And to go back to the 'initial division', yes, he does speak to that beginning.
Morgan Lynn
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Because mono and polytheistic beliefs are not rational or plausable. I feel that believing deities exist is like believing Criss Angel's magic is real.
The bible is taken literally when it is meant to be a book of teachings not a book of literal truth. Ever read Aesop's fables? Yeah, that what the bible is.
It just puzzles me why any person who says they don't believe in God is constantly trying to refute His existence. Who is it exactly they are trying to convince?
Fuck Big Foot, I'm should go start a thread about how real he isn't, follow that atheists lead of talking about shit we don't believe in.
Fuck Big Foot, I'm should go start a thread about how real he isn't, follow that atheists lead of talking about shit we don't believe in.
Heisenberg
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To quote myself...
I tend to believe polls, studies and surveys when they all report the same information. Polls can be selective, studies can be flawed, and surveys can have too small of a sample group, but no matter the method big or small, the results always show atheism is not seen as an acceptable position. As reported on the daily show recently, Americans distrust atheists more than they do terrorists. Any politician, no matter if he has the brain of Stephen Hawking, the looks of Johnny Depp, and the charisma of Oprah, can not get anywhere near a seat of power unless he also believes in God. How much more evidence do you need than our own president, the leader of our nation and it's policies, declaring atheists non-citizens? This is not just disapproval, but outright prejudice. Throw in the polices of organizations like the boy scouts and you have blatant discrimination.
It's fine to believe something on faith IF you understand what that means. It means you are not allowed to debate your idea, because you can not support it. It means you are not allowed to use your ideas to influence any sort of social or public policy, because you have no justification. You certainly are not allowed to teach your ideas in any sort of authoritative context. You have the right to express your belief and then sit down and be quiet because your idea amounts to wild speculation. Speculation is not afforded certitude. When the idea of God acquires more support and evidence than the idea of leprechauns or the tooth fairy, you might then have something more to say.
Padawanbater2
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Standing ovation, well said.
eye exaggerate
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...but doesn't saying that mean the same thing as what is being said about atheists?
Heisenberg
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Only if you suppose that atheism is making some sort of claim. How much debating do you see going on here as opposed to defense and clarification? Atheist do not have an idea to debate because they are not initiating statements that represent a state of the world, they are simply responding to them. Remove theists, and atheists have nothing to say.
Does that mean theists should not discuss their ideas and engage in inquiry? Of course not. I am speaking about people who have reached the conclusion, as all responsible minded people do, that belief in a deity must be made on a leap of faith. At that point, you can present your idea to others, but you can not seriously expect to bring it into a contemplative debate. After all, what do you have to say that means anything? You would only be wasting time reiterating the things that brought you to the conclusion of faith. This is why we do not hear serious debates about the existence of gremlins and genies. It does no good to hear someone say "I believe in God because I want to", or, "I believe in God because I do not understand how to consistently evaluate evidence". If that is enough justification for you, then fine, but do not expect others to lend any honest respect. This of course extends to decisions on public policy and serious academic instruction.
I say "you" for the sake of simplicity of course, not referring to anyone particular.
