LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

hyroot

hyroot

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How many tims have you said something alomg these lines. It hqs already been explained over and over. T5 is better. Covers more area, less heat, controlable spectrum, less cost. Easier to maintain.
 
Myles117

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organicbynature

organicbynature

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hyroot said:
How many tims have you said something alomg these lines. It hqs already been explained over and over. T5 is better. Covers more area, less heat, controlable spectrum, less cost. Easier to maintain.
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I feel like this post should be in an LED grow journal, posted by a belligerent HID user.

I do like many of your other posts though, hyroot. :)

Why are people in this thread down on LED all of a sudden? Got something against PAR lighting? ;)

As Myles suggested, the only way T5s put off less heat is if you have the ballasts outside of your grow-space. I haven't found a cheap, quality kit for this - would love to see what others have found. I think a 2-bulb, $50 ballast kit was linked to by the Prof some time ago, which isn't a bad price, but like the Kaptain was saying, that's going to put it into Blackstar pricing, once you add in the bulbs and shipping costs - and it looks like a bit of a pain to me. If you're going the DIY route, you can make your own LED panel relatively cheaply (or so I've read) and use whatever spectrums you want.

To me, both LEDs and T5s seem like great, similar, and compatible options. I've got LEDs going now, but intend to try out the T5s as well. It does look like a great way to grow, which is why I'm in this thread. :)

A watt-for-watt PAR T5/LED/CMH comparison grow would be awesome.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Im not down on leds its just I dont think their there yet. the led ive seen that pulls similar results costs 900 and covred less area. It was a blackstar 600 an
 
canadian1969

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organicbynature said:
If you're going the DIY route, you can make your own LED panel relatively cheaply (or so I've read) and use whatever spectrums you want.
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This question should probably elsewhere, so apologies in advance... but WHERE have you read you can DIY LED on the cheap? I would love to know, cause I have priced the good quality diodes (high lumen/watt outputs, 1,2,3 watt versions) and they are really expensive, so unless you are going to buy like thousands of them its way to cost prohibitive, plus you have to add in the housings, temperature controls, backplanes, ballasts, wiring, sinks (in some cases) et al.

So please direct us to your source material. Honestly you would be helping me out at least and I am sure there are many others interested.
 
organicbynature

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canadian1969 said:
This question should probably elsewhere, so apologies in advance... but WHERE have you read you can DIY LED on the cheap? I would love to know, cause I have priced the good quality diodes (high lumen/watt outputs, 1,2,3 watt versions) and they are really expensive, so unless you are going to buy like thousands of them its way to cost prohibitive, plus you have to add in the housings, temperature controls, backplanes, ballasts, wiring, sinks (in some cases) et al.

So please direct us to your source material. Honestly you would be helping me out at least and I am sure there are many others interested.
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Well, it's not something I've read extensively on since it's not something I intend to pursue, Ive just seen it said in reference. A forum search for "LED DIY" brings up plenty of threads, but maybe you've already been through them.

Have you seen this site? - RapidLED

I'm not sure how their prices compare to other outlets, but a 3w cree LED with a lense is ~$4.60 there. That's top-of-the-line, but 100 of those, which would be 300 watts at max burn, would run $460, so DIY may not be a cheaper option than Blackstar after all (though it still beats the other leading panels). Actually, this makes me all the more impressed with Blackstar's pricing. :)

I'm sorry I don't have better supporting information for you!

Also sorry to those who are sick of reading about LEDs in this thread. ;)

You know what would really get things back on track? Some nice T5 bud shots... :)
 
UnderCurrentDWC

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I would wager to say No $750 L.E.D. can do this.





I know we're all in the P.A.R. brotherhood.
I don't exactly know why all this l.e.d talk is irritating me, it's probably because it's been a lot of clutter not particularly specific to T5 and when people read the last few pages it reads like an L.E.D thread, it could be all the talk about the blackstar being superior to the T5 set up that we're all using, or it could be the way kron insults p.a.r members when replying.


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organicbynature said:
Well, it's not something I've read extensively on since it's not something I intend to pursue, Ive just seen it said in reference.
I'm not sure how their prices compare to other outlets, so DIY may not be a cheaper option
I'm sorry I don't have better supporting information for you!
Also sorry to those who are sick of reading about LEDs in this thread. ;)
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falcon223

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Kaptain. The blackstar is like 1000.00 A 8 bulb Bad Boy is 200.00
Throw in some good bulbs 200.00 or so. That is what 400.00 Of cores
There is some heat.
 
PetFlora

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It's one thing to mention LEDs, or ask a question here, but it seems like we have a Black Star troll in our midst. Clearly that whole dialog could/should have been handled in PMs...,

but even if quality LEDs cost the same (they don't) and even if they provided the same amount of coverage/$ (they don't), the biggest shortcoming is that the operator/grower cannot adjust the spectrums (V- R/B: 60/40 & F- B/R 60/40), which is important to overall production. Then of course T5ers can change/replace bulbs as needed, and ya can't do that with LEDs. This from someone who owns one, has had 2 transformers blow, and has posted journal elsewhere proving this.

Now please, can we get back to what this thread is about. In case you've forgotten the title is LED Without LEDs- My First T5 Grow
 
Kaptain Kron

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Wanna bet lol a 500$ blackstar could do that any day bro

UnderCurrentDWC said:
I would wager to say No $750 L.E.D. can do this.





I don't exactly know why all this l.e.d talk is irritating me. I know we are all in the P.A.R. brotherhood, it's probably because it's been a lot of clutter not particularly specific to T5.


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Kaptain Kron

Kaptain Kron

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falcon223 said:
Kaptain. The blackstar is like 1000.00 A 8 bulb Bad Boy is 200.00
Throw in some good bulbs 200.00 or so. That is what 400.00 Of cores
There is some heat.
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You show me where i can get a four foot had boy with 8 bulbs for 200 l that's a joke i paid 140 for a four foot four bulb sun systems rig lol and the four bulb bad boy was way more expensive than mine lol
 
Kaptain Kron

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Your barking up the wrong tree callin me a troll man I support this thread and prof. I answered someone's question on LEDs and then you began the bashing you can call me a troll but forgive me for spreading fact to answer someone's question. You want he thread to return to t5s stop fuckin bringin up LEDs for real. oh and fyl get your facts straight blackstar 500 doesn't cost a thousand dollars it costs 500 bucks Keep it to fact please. Also how can I not hangs the diodes in my led if I want it's not hard it's called unscrew the case and solder in new ones. On noes a transformer blew after 50k hours of use door really??? You wanna start a bash rest we can. If you noticed in my earlier post I complimented t5s. But you just wanna start a how t5 is better than led bash feat because I merely stated its getting harder to justify t5 lighting how can you argue that when prices on plasma rigs are dropping drastically as well as LEDs. Sure maybe not surpassed it in value and efficiency yet but they are beating down the door and they want in to play. You sound ignorant the way you come off man it's quite hilarious really. And you wanna call me he troll lol I'm in this three because I use t5s for my mother room setup like this. I have just as muh right to be here as anyone else seems to me I'm not the one trolling
PetFlora said:
It's one thing to mention LEDs, or ask a question here, but it seems like we have a Black Star troll in our midst. Clearly that whole dialog could/should have been handled in PMs...,

but even if quality LEDs cost the same (they don't) and even if they provided the same amount of coverage/$ (they don't), the biggest shortcoming is that the operator/grower cannot adjust the spectrums (V- R/B: 60/40 & F- B/R 60/40), which is important to overall production. Then of course T5ers can change/replace bulbs as needed, and ya can't do that with LEDs. This from someone who owns one, has had 2 transformers blow, and has posted journal elsewhere proving this.

Now please, can we get back to what this thread is about. In case you've forgotten the title is LED Without LEDs- My First T5 Grow
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Myles117

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falcon223

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The Quantum Tri-phosphor bulbs are designed for optimum performance with the Fulham Race Horse ballast. These are tuned for max output with the Bad Boy. The BadBoy coupled with Fulham's latest and greatest Race Horse ballasts put out 28% more light than the competitions fixtures with the Work Horse 7 with NO additional power consumption!
 
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