Sticking Our Head In Tar Sands

Brick Top

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Obama’s Keystone Evasion

President Obama’s announcement that he will delay a decision on approval of the Keystone Pipeline until after the 2012 election typifies his feckless presidency. Torn between the need to create jobs, reduce the cost of energy and get our economy going on one hand, and the emotional biases of his environmentalist base on the other, Obama punted. I assume that if and when the time comes–post-election–Obama will do what he has wanted to do all along, and kill the pipeline.


We have written about Keystone a number of times. In this post, we quoted a study that concluded the pipeline would moderate the price of oil and create between 250,000 and 553,000 permanent American jobs. Here, we quoted at length another study of the beneficial effect of the pipeline on our economy, along with related energy development policies. There simply is no doubt that building the pipeline and transporting Canadian oil efficiently to refineries in the U.S. would give our economy a major boost.


I don’t suppose anyone remembers the speech that President Obama gave in support of his “Jobs Act” on September 7–ancient history, I know–and it is almost cruel to remind this inept president of his own words. This is what we wrote at the time:


Obama evidently has forgotten the stimulus bill and the many thousands of shovel-ready jobs that, as Obama later admitted–ha-ha–weren’t so shovel-ready after all. So, what has changed? Why will this year’s smaller “stimulus” create jobs when his previous, much larger bill was a complete failure? This was the closest Obama came to an answer:


We’re cutting the red tape that prevents some of these projects from getting started as quickly as possible.


Really? “Red tape” as in environmental regulations that block the construction of–for example–refineries and pipelines? So will Keystone be green-lighted tomorrow morning? That decision rests with the Secretary of State and requires no Congressional action.


Far from “cutting red tape” to allow the job-creating Keystone project to begin “as quickly as possible,” our Hamlet-like president will ponder the matter until some time in 2013, at the earliest. By then, the issue may be moot, Canada’s Finance Minister warns:


The U.S. State Department’s decision to delay its review of TransCanada Corp.’s $7-billion Keystone XL pipeline until after next year’s presidential election may doom the project and accelerate Canada’s efforts to ship crude to Asia, Canadian Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said.


“The decision to delay it that long is actually quite a crucial decision. I’m not sure this project would survive that kind of delay,” Flaherty said yesterday in an interview at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Honolulu. “It may mean that we may have to move quickly to ensure that we can export our oil to Asia through British Columbia.”


If China does indeed replace the United States as the world’s pre-eminent economic power, the foolishness of American voters in electing Barack Obama president will be a major contributing factor.


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/11/obamas-keystone-evasion.php
 

redivider

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it's great this author completely ignores any environmental impact this pipeline might have as pandering to an environmentalist base.

what about the chemical release exploitation of this resource will cause????

Torn between the need to create jobs, reduce the cost of energy and get our economy going on one hand, and the emotional biases of his environmentalist base on the other, Obama punted


maybe it's not emotional biases... maybe it's scientific data...

it's still a debate... but it's premature to pick a side before even the intellectuals agree... maybe it's that the intellectuals are now 'bought' by special interests... we just don't know anymore.... because all the money is held by a handful of special interests...

that's what's killing the jobs and the economy in this country.... not obama....
 

Mindmelted

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it's great this author completely ignores any environmental impact this pipeline might have as pandering to an environmentalist base.

what about the chemical release exploitation of this resource will cause????



maybe it's not emotional biases... maybe it's scientific data...

it's still a debate... but it's premature to pick a side before even the intellectuals agree... maybe it's that the intellectuals are now 'bought' by special interests... we just don't know anymore.... because all the money is held by a handful of special interests...

that's what's killing the jobs and the economy in this country.... not obama....
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Like his giving solyndra all that money and he knew they where in trouble.
I am surprised the man can wipe his own ass.
He is a clueless piece of shit,and the man has not created shit but more troubles.
 

redivider

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solyndra wasn't a mistake. it was the government taking a risk as a participant in the 'free market'...if the US government wanted to make solyndra work, they would've made it happen.... whether we liked it or not....

but it was the FREE MARKET WORKING. in hindsight it does seem so foolish.... doesn't it...??
 

dukeanthony

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How much did the Goverment Lose?

Probably not much at all since Solyndra has Assets
AND
Chinese Solar panels they dumped on the market will Probably be Tariffed out of the Market
Which makes Solyndras Assets worth a lot of Cash
 

laughingduck

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We don't need no stinkin energy! Lets all live like its the 1800's, that was great for the environment. Libs would'nt stand a chance.
 

laughingduck

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But you have seen alot of them providing for themselves, and the hunters and fisherman have done more for conservation than any group.
 

Charlie Ventura

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solyndra wasn't a mistake. it was the government taking a risk as a participant in the 'free market'...if the US government wanted to make solyndra work, they would've made it happen.... whether we liked it or not....

but it was the FREE MARKET WORKING. in hindsight it does seem so foolish.... doesn't it...??
And that's really the problem, isn't it redivider? The federal government has no business risking taxpayer dollars in pie-in-the-sky "investments." If there is a loss, and in this case it was 537 BILLION dollars, the government loses nothing, therefore, government takes risks that the private market wouldn't take. The free market should select winners and losers, not the government. What financial expertise does the president and his cabal of professorial advisers that he's surrounded himself with have that would make them qualified to approve huge loans to almost defunct companies?
 

dukeanthony

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Ant that's really the problem, isn't it redivider? The federal government has no business risking taxpayer dollars in pie-in-the-sky "investments." If there is a loss, and in this case it was 537 BILLION dollars, the government loses nothing, therefore, government takes risks that the private market wouldn't take. The free market should select winners and losers, not the government. What financial expertise does the president and his cabal of professorial advisers that he's surrounded himself with have that would make them qualified to approve huge loans to almost defunct companies?
Really?
Ever Heard of DARPA?
 

NoDrama

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How much did the Goverment Lose?
You see what we have here is a individual who thinks the government is an entity deserving the status of a God. What you don't realize is that the government never loses, only the people whom are under government's care lose.
 

NoDrama

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Really?
Ever Heard of DARPA?
DARPA was something started by universities, it got funding from the government and eventually grew into something entirely different. It wasn't some program a government agent thought up to supply the whole world with information.
 

dukeanthony

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DARPA was something started by universities, it got funding from the government and eventually grew into something entirely different. It wasn't some program a government agent thought up to supply the whole world with information.
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military. DARPA has been responsible for funding the development of many technologies which have had a major effect on the world, including computer networking, as well as NLS, which was both the first hypertext system, and an important precursor to the contemporary ubiquitous graphical user interface.
Its original name was simply Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA), but it was renamed to "DARPA" (for Defense) in March 1972, then renamed "ARPA" again in February 1993, and then renamed "DARPA" again in March 1996.
DARPA was established during 1958 (as ARPA) in response to the Soviet launching of Sputnik during 1957, with the mission of keeping U.S. military technology more sophisticated than that of the nation's potential enemies. From DARPA's own introduction,[2]
DARPA’s original mission, established in 1958, was to prevent technological surprise like the launch of Sputnik, which signaled that the Soviets had beaten the U.S. into space. The mission statement has evolved over time. Today, DARPA’s mission is still to prevent technological surprise to the US, but also to create technological surprise for its enemies.
DARPA is independent from other more conventional military R&D and reports directly to senior Department of Defense management. DARPA has around 240 personnel (about 140 technical) directly managing a $3.2 billion budget. These figures are "on average" since DARPA focuses on short-term (two to four-year) projects run by small, purpose-built teams.
 
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